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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:19 pm

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You want a 1:1, Faraday? Deal.

I thought it was a fucking good idea because I thought I could get a reaction out of you. It was the train of thought I had when I IMed Mina to tell her to go ahead and vote you. That's the truth, honest to God.

I can turn around and say the same thing to you: You're ignoring other people in favor of lynching us today. You didn't even realize Hinduragi's case was BS until I pointed it out to you. Gee, what does this behavior remind me of... Oh, yeah, Pick Your Power.

You're dying after us.

you have TOLD me that voting me is a poor way to gather reactions from me but yet this game you think it's good? i don't believe you could think that. how can you POSSIBLY be unaware of your stance.

Okay. What was the discussion with Mina then? How did it go. Explain it to me as best you can without breaking any rules.

I'm not ignoring anyone, Klazam is scummy but isn't scum with you b/c of the way he responded to nacho's proposal, zang is kinda townish even if his post is full of questions with real no opinions, anxiety's wagon looks pretty bad to me but he seems neutralish, jase is town, hindu's case IS stretchy in places, but I was waiting to see how you reacted to my 'drop'. you honestly think i'd undermine what I was about to post by saying 'uh hindu lol nice case but x y and z look town', you know this isn't how I operate.
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:23 pm

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sigh i need a drink.

what is your read on klazam thus far?
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:26 pm

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Faraday wrote:and the fact you KNOW I think 99% of cases are complete bullshit and are trying to push this *ANYWAY*.

...and yet you claim you enjoy playing with people who live and breathe large cases like they're fresh mountain air? Am I honestly supposed to believe that you don't read any cases at all? After all those times you've told me about how Mina and I are good players building good cases and making long posts that are "easy to read"?

No way.

Faraday wrote:Okay. What was the discussion with Mina then? How did it go. Explain it to me as best you can without breaking any rules.

Equinox: Game's open.
Mina: Our first RVS vote has to be Faraday because he's always scum!
Equinox: Haha, yes!

I confirm with the red that this conversation occurred.
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:28 pm

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I'm also getting the feeling Mina is trying to manipulate me. Her 'sighing' and her annoyance are things I think she knows I'd be soft against but the thing is I didn't really get that vibe from her posts at all, that she was annoyed. It just seemed fake.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:31 pm

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Indecision wrote:...and yet you claim you enjoy playing with people who live and breathe large cases like they're fresh mountain air? Am I honestly supposed to believe that you don't read any cases at all? After all those times you've told me about how Mina and I are good players building good cases and making long posts that are "easy to read"?

Um, that is not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying I think most cases are built on shaky tells, for example the reasons against anxiety or the reasons for voting him are poor but it's still interesting to see how things go, i don't particularly think the things people voted for are any more likely to come from scum.
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:32 pm

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Why don't you put your vote on me if you think that then? Surely you can convince Mina you're cause is just and right. Why are you giving up your vote on me with only as much as a 'grumble'?
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:33 pm

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Indecision wrote:Equinox: Game's open.Mina: Our first RVS vote has to be Faraday because he's always scum!Equinox: Haha, yes!

i thought you said it was pre-planned? an an effort to draw out reactions or something?
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:35 pm

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That was the pre-planning. Maybe I'm hilariously wrong or something, but I thought Mina was after the same thing I was.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:37 pm

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that is what you consider pre-planning? um okay. I was under the impression you had both discussed it in depth.

it doesn't really matter though, because red truth
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:38 pm

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Faraday wrote:Why don't you put your vote on me if you think that then? Surely you can convince Mina you're cause is just and right. Why are you giving up your vote on me with only as much as a 'grumble'?

Because she's telling me on AIM that she's dead certain you're town and that I'm tunneling on you.
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:39 pm

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Faraday wrote:Why don't you put your vote on me if you think that then? Surely you can convince Mina you're cause is just and right. Why are you giving up your vote on me with only as much as a 'grumble'?

Because she's telling me on AIM that she's dead certain you're town and that I'm tunneling on you.
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:40 pm

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Indecision wrote:(Equinox)

Faraday wrote:Why don't you put your vote on me if you think that then? Surely you can convince Mina you're cause is just and right. Why are you giving up your vote on me with only as much as a 'grumble'?

Because she's telling me on AIM that she's dead certain you're town and that I'm tunneling on you.

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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:41 pm

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Everyone, please ignore Equinox's request for a 1 v. 1.

We're not making any headway on this, because Equinox is still convinced Faraday is scum despite thinking he looks genuine for some obscure meta tell involving his stances in Pick Your Power.

To be honest, the *sigh* was because I knew we'd get in trouble for that, because it did look like a contradiction on the surface, and that the rest of the day would not be fun.

I wrote up a paraphrase of mine and Equinox's conversation last night, but I'm checking with hito now if it's allowed (apparently, I can't paraphrase each individual line).

p-edit: that wasn't an exact transcription of our conversation, but I'm not sure if that's allowed, Equinox.

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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:44 pm

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Oh, you know what? Here's an idea.

We do not interact at all with Faraday for the rest of Day One.

I have a feeling every single player in the game will be happier with that arrangement.

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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:45 pm

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Indecision wrote:...and yet you claim you enjoy playing with people who live and breathe large cases like they're fresh mountain air? Am I honestly supposed to believe that you don't read any cases at all? After all those times you've told me about how Mina and I are good players building good cases and making long posts that are "easy to read"?

um, the first sentence is a ridiculous overexaggeration. when have I said I like long cases. I've told you I think the manner you lay out your cases in ins good, but it's not because they're long, i am pretty sure i implied it was the exception as opposed to the rule.

And what have I not read? How the hell are you getting 'I don't read long cases'? I have often said 'tl'dr, but I read everything that's posted in a mafia thread, barring weirdness. I've read everything in this game so far including zang's fucking nuclear bomb. I've already explained why I felt it was unwise to point out the things I disagreed with in hindu's post. (oh and i think it was sk, not lmp in that game).
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:48 pm

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All right, hito okayed this:

-Equinox tells me the game is about to start.
-I immediately go that we have to wagon Faraday, because he's always scum.
-Equinox laughs and agrees.

...yeah, so um, we really didn't put that much thought into it.

-I debate questioning Jase on his DLG vote, and also mention getting town vibes from Faraday.
-I also consider doing something erratic like voting for Jase for being a miller (maybe making a sarcastic "Everyone knows that miller claims are scummy") just to see the reactions, although we both agree that Jase looks town.
-Equinox tells me to do whatever I want to end RVS, because we can talk our way out of heat. But she also muses that a Faraday wagon is always good.

...The rest of the conversation doesn't have much to do with Faraday. We can continue with this paraphrase, but that would be kind of unethical.

NOW CAN WE END THIS STUPID CONVERSATION?

Seriously, I would honestly be happier if we went back to everyone wagoning us for using the word "self-vote."

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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:49 pm

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I'd like the similarities she sees between PYP so I can be sure she's not pulling the meta out of her ass. (As that's what it looked like to me)
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:51 pm

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“Now we must make a journey from one side of the Abarat to the other, moving in a south-southwesterly direction. The journey, of course, still takes an hour, for we are going to Eight O’clock in the Evening, to the Yebba Dim Day.

The island of Yebba - The Great Head, as it is colloquially called - is carved in the likeness of its sometime owner, Gorki Doodat, and is a warren of tunnels and tiny, ramshackle habitations. Perched on Doodat’s stone cranium (an addition only made after the potentate’s passing) are hall a dozen towers occupied by those personages rich enough for such lofty apartments. Reportedly some of these towers contain inhabitants of immense age: the ancients of the Aeph Nation, who were the first architects of the islands. I cannot confirm or deny these rumors.

Over the years the Yebba Dim Day has become the informal capital of the Inner Islands, and much bureaucratic work is done in the labyrinths of Gorki Doodat’s head. Here an Abaratic may obtain birth papers, death papers, sea charts, maps and the like. The price list is on the wall close to the entrance to The Great Head. In main cases the price of maps and charts has remained at a zem or two in all the years that I’ve been exploring the islands. My own modest printing press is here at Eight O’clock, a small office at the base of the towers.

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VC 4 (Session 1, VC 4)


(5)
Indecision:
Jase, Hinduragi, Faraday, Timeater, kiwieagle [L-2]
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Hinduragi:
Zang
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Kiwieagle:
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(0)
Faraday:
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Not Voting
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(Zang, Indecision)


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Automatic Termination of the First Session(expired on 2011-12-02 00:30:00)


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Just in Case the mod doesn't count it:

Vote: Hinduragi


Your instincts are correct - I will not accept votes in spoiler tags. You are free to use them as much as you like, but no votes/day actions/limited access notices/etc. in spoiler tags will be counted.
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:52 pm

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The context makes it look much better but I can't shake the feeling that you're just 'reasonableing' your way out of it. I still don't get
why
Equinox would have such differeng positions but the fact it was more 'heat of the moment' isn't the impression I got from the pre-planned post (I thought you had discussed it in depth)
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:55 pm

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The way you stated that "99% of cases are BS" implies you didn't think much of them; you not knowing what I was talking about when it was obvious I was referring to Hinduragi led me to believe that you were saying you didn't read cases.

Not responding to Hinduragi is fair enough, but you had NO IDEA what I was talking about when I put it in hypothetical form? How could you not, Faraday? Hinduragi claims he's never seen me lose my temper and that there's no reason for me to do so as town; however, you've seen me rage and make sarcastic remarks in at least 2 games. I can understand not addressing it, but your cluelessness led me to believe you didn't even read Hinduragi's post.

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Faraday wrote:I'd like the similarities she sees between PYP so I can be sure she's not pulling the meta out of her ass. (As that's what it looked like to me)

What do you want me to do, Faraday, pull up a giant PBPA of Pick Your Power? I remember you pushing that GreyICE lynch into the ground. The way you pushed the Indecision wagon felt similar to me. If I'm pulling this out of my ass, I'm pulling it out of my ass.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:02 pm

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Faraday wrote:I'd like the similarities she sees between PYP so I can be sure she's not pulling the meta out of her ass. (As that's what it looked like to me)

I was actually being kind of facetious--it was a combination of her reference to PYP in the thread (with your preferred scum tactic being the tunnel) and her saying you told her during Team Mafia that you shouldn't let someone get away with a case you don't agree with. I personally think she's nitpicking, and that it's a kneejerk reaction to your pushing us this hard.

FARADAY AND EQUINOX MAY NO LONGER TALK TO EACH OTHER FROM THIS POINT ONWARD:

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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:06 pm

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*gestures rudely at Faraday*
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:06 pm

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Indecision wrote:Not responding to Hinduragi is fair enough, but you had NO IDEA what I was talking about when I put it in hypothetical form? How could you not, Faraday? Hinduragi claims he's never seen me lose my temper and that there's no reason for me to do so as town; however, you've seen me rage and make sarcastic remarks in at least 2 games. I can understand not addressing it, but your cluelessness led me to believe you didn't even read Hinduragi's post.

I forgot, I guess. It didn't twig in my mind that you were talking about Hindu's case, I mean it should have, admittedly but it didn't. I really have no idea why you'd think I wouldn't read a post though.

And I meant content, wise. I don't *not* read them I just find myself scratching my head at big long posts more often than not.


No I don't want a PBPA, but I just wanted some specfics. I'm surprised you're ignoring the way I pushed hito's lynch in court of the gods though. I don't think my push on you is similar to either of them as in both those case it was gut and fakegut with basically nothing other than 'lolscum' in both cases, whereas here I felt like I had a slam dunk case on you based on the way you were talking. I mean, I try and pick easy targets when I'm scum, people who are easy to lynch and stuff, you know that I don't see how your scum read is genuine on me at all. I was utterly convinced you were scum. 1/1's are for the most part retarded but I was that convinced from the way you responded I was willing to go into it. And now I feel like I'm talking myself out of a scum read based on seeing the way the conversation went down and Mina's offer to ignore me...looks like something she'd feel weird to even bring up as scum. ugh.
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:07 pm

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Indecision wrote:(Equinox)

*gestures rudely at Faraday*

>_>
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:07 pm

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..but mina can right?

If not then how will you refute?

also can you explain your vote?
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