Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

[Thor665]

@Furc - Miller flavor?

[Uphill]

If you can explain how sheeping Pine/Force makes you obv town I'll move my vote to myself right now, how's that for crickets?

This is you deciding that I meant sheeping Pine made me obv. town - as opposed to noticing earlier in the post where I dissected a case on me and showed how that made me obv. town and then referenced it again. Reading is also a pro town action I have been told, and at least reading comprehension is a bonus if you want to avoid the bulk of the reading.

I assume you mean this:

kondi was a top scumspect for me, then he replaced out. Then alex became a top suspect, and he replaced out.

Yeah, but *why*?
Also, you mentioned replaced out twice - you and I both know the substantive quality of THAT as a scumtell. That's a real life tell - why are you even bringing that up? You case should have been "had a scum feel on your predecessors" fuggin period. But "Ooooh, ::effeminate hand wave:: scummy feel *AND* they replaced out...because...town don't do that...fact!"

Seriously now. This is a lurk/flake out case isn't it?
On Day 3.
As a counter wagon...

Whassup Reck?

The Uphill wagon preceded the wagon on you/Alex, actually. You are the counterwagon.

Whassup Reck?

I'll give you 3 good reasons:

Huzzah!

1. Random lynch vote.
Why this is scummy: SleepyKrew flipped Town. There was a wagon on SKrew later, but that wagon didn't start until odd behavior until later on in day 2. A good wagon on Triangle-Scum had been started and he distanced himself.

So, voting someone...who has no wagon on them...and not providing reasons...and avoiding active big wagons and sheeping others...is scummy?
Whut?

::Actually looks at post::

And it was in the RVS stage so...wtflolomgbbq? Are you actually presenting this as part of a case? Get thee to a Newbie good sir
Has Reck yelled at you much this game? (<--serious question)

2. Opportunity to hammer scum but "I'll hammer Triangle after school today."
Why this is scummy: Triangle flipped scum. If he knew he was going to vote for Triangle anyway, why didn't he just do it? The fact that Triangle later flipped scum casts suspicion on this action because it now looks like a rookie scum play of "oh I meant to vote for that person but ran out of time" when you actually know that your scum partner is about to be lynched.

Oddly enough, that looks like a TOWNtell to me. When you're going to hammer your buddy you bloody well want to look like town if you're doing it. So you make a case and try to make it seem like you're part of the wagon - you don't do 'lol, deadline enforced hammer' on a scumbuddy you're going to bus. Weak associative for the rest 'he was going to let deadline hit...' seriously? That's you taking his action, assigning a scum intent, and then justifying it. You didn't look at the action and discern a scum intent inherently. Bogus tell.

Though Pine is fairly likely town, that's a good win to know.

3. Jumped on the wrong wagon.
Why this is scummy: everyone can make a mistake HOWEVER, when there is a 50/50 wagon going and 1 flips scum? That looks bad for anyone on the counter wagon as, presumably, scum wouldn't want to lynch their own scum buddy.

That doesn't explain why out of all those names you picked this one - this one was even clearly willing to switch to the other wagon showing a general indifference of opinion between the two, again, a town tell. Why have you ruled out the rest of the counter wagon? Are they all obv. town and I've missed it?

To be fair, now that I've written this out, I'm a

little

less sold on konid/weirdalex/Thor scum but points 2 + 3 are REALLY damning.

@Pine - who are you voting right now? I'm interested in sheeping you.
Also, what's your read on Yates, is he just over anxious newb town, or is this a sloppy scum push?

First of all, that's not even on the same

page

as when you said you'd "just proved" yourself obvtown, much less the same post. I'm kickin' yo ASSSSSSSSSSS in reading comprehension!

But despite the page difference, I nevertheless might have made the connection between "I'm obv. town now and just proved it" and that post if it, y'know, came even remotely close to proving you were obvious town. It didn't. It only contended with Yates's case on you, and it didn't even do a good job at that. But even if it had absolved you of

all

of kondi and alex's play, that'd just put you back to a square one null read. Not to obvious town.

Regardless of which post you were talking about, the point is still the same. You're misrepresenting yourself as obvious town when you're being wagoned. If it was that obvious you were town, you wouldn't be a primary lynch candidate! The fact that you specifically chose the words "proved" and "obv. town" to describe yourself

when you're at L-2

comes off like you're trying to jedi mind trick everyone into looking somewhere else.

Lack of a sense of humor - another glaring scumtell.

A glaring scumtell? OMG, those are my favorite kind! I just adore the way they flock together and warble at this time of year, isn't it just precious? I even hung a glaring scumtell feather on my front awning to remind me of the beauty of nature.

If you want to vote Reck I'd be willing to sheep you on that one - I'm a pretty equal opportunity sheeper. Heck, then I wouldn't even be voting my counter wagon - which is definitely scummy, after all you're not...voting...your own counter wagon...and calling...me...scummy for doing...

What's your scum case on me?

You're voting me, but you'd be willing to sheep me?

I never said voting for your counterwagon is scummy. Here's exactly what I said:

You're just latching on to the only plausible alternative to your own lynch here.

And what that means is that I believe you're only voting me to save your own ass, not because you believe I'm scum. The same is absolutely not true of me. I have voted your slot every day, and I presented a case against alex first thing D2 when nobody else was looking at him hard.

@Uphill - I looked up your case on weird-previous-me. Woosh, it's silly. I wasn't pressuring Pine enough? The silly slot barely posted, and easily half of the content posts are vague digs at Pine in some manner or other - 75% of the posts are 'lol, reading up' so...yeah...I was pressuring Pine as functionally as I was pressuring anyone - dramatically more so actually. The crime is, I should have been pressuring my top scum read *more* when there is LITERALLY NO OTHER SLOT THAT I PRESSURED MORE?

You can try to make this about the quantity of alex's pressure on Pine

relative to his pressure on anyone else

all you want, but the fact of the matter is that his ONLY attack on Pine, AT ALL, EVER, is this:

OH MY GOD PINE'S SCUM. Basically, what Uphill said.

VOTE: Pine, semi-contradiction.

That is piss-poor pressure, and the fact that his pressure on everyone else was even pissier and poorier certainly does not make him any townier.

Moar Uphill votes pl0x!

Seriously, people. Look at that quote. Then look at this one:

If you want to vote Reck I'd be willing to sheep you on that one

Then vote Thor. Then vote Thor some more.

[Yates]

I'm not sold on Uphill-Town but he is on the money with this post, Thor. ^^

You are in absolutely NO way obv-Town and haven't even presented a compelling argument for being null-Town. I understand your willingness to jump on your counterwagon as that is a null value play [scum would do it to save his bacon just as quickly as Town would] but what's with the sheeping?

[Thor665]

First of all, that's not even on the same

page

as when you said you'd "just proved" yourself obvtown, much less the same post. I'm kickin' yo SMURFSSSSSSSSSS in reading comprehension!

And yet you didn't notice the two posts came within a half an hour of each other - almost as though I was having an active conversation and probably had stuff very fresh in my mind.
Timestamps - they matter.

If it was that obvious you were town, you wouldn't be a primary lynch candidate! The fact that you specifically chose the words "proved" and "obv. town" to describe yourself

when you're at L-2

comes off like you're trying to jedi mind trick everyone into looking somewhere else.

Well, actually I specifically pointed out two different town tells in a case supposedly about showing me as scum - the third tell I noted was him calling me scum for making an RVS vote...seriously now, the case doesn't exist and I showed two town tells - that makes it a town case. The fact that no one else said anything means two additional things;

1. There probably isn't any more of a case on me - thus I only have town tells on me.
2. Reck is probably scum, because he shouldn't have allowed that level of derpy to exists as a case he supported.

You're voting me, but you'd be willing to sheep me?

Yes.

I have voted your slot every day, and I presented a case against alex first thing D2 when nobody else was looking at him hard.

Link to your case?
Also - is it still your case?

You can try to make this about the quantity of alex's pressure on Pine

relative to his pressure on anyone else

all you want, but the fact of the matter is that his ONLY attack on Pine, AT ALL, EVER, is this:

That is still the point though. You don't look at how well I play golf, and say "Look, Tiger Woods plays golf better than Thor, Thor must be trying to lose the game in order to...I dunno, make money by betting against himself."

You're applying a false criteria. If you agree that he pressured nobody more than his top suspect, and that his top suspect was almost all of his pressure, attacks, and attention (And he was, it's obvious) then it doesn't matter if you think it was weak pressure - because it was probably top level pressure for the skills of the player.

Unless you're saying alex was a really good player and was playing a weaker game in order to advance his scum agenda - that would be scummy, but I'd be curious to see your evidence of alex being a good player.

Does this make sense to you? Take a deep breath, please, and read it twice. It's a very compelling and clear defeat of your position.

Moar Uphill votes pl0x!

Seriously, people. Look at that quote. Then look at this one:

If you want to vote Reck I'd be willing to sheep you on that one

Then vote Thor. Then vote Thor some more.

Oh, dear sir, someday you'll learn about meta, and we won't have these confusions. I look forward to our second game together.
In any case...

So I take it you don't find Reck scummy at all? Because you're not willing to get off an obviously now locked wagon to try something new?
Or do you not see already how the wagon on me is going to go no further today?
While we're asking questions - I'd also like to have your read on Uphill.

I'm not sold on Uphill-Town but he is on the money with this post, Thor. ^^

You are in absolutely NO way obv-Town and haven't even presented a compelling argument for being null-Town.

Oh man, so I point by point abuse your case on me, and ask questions of it, and your reply is "what that guy said".
Classic.


@Pine
@FoN

What's the case on Uphill? He looks weaksauce, I'll agree, but (depending on his earlier case on Alex) I'm thinking I'm starting to lean town on him. Frankly Yates looks much worse as far as derp scumhunting goes. Reck also looks like he needs rope more. I'm of a mind to lynch Reck, or maybe Yates over Uphill - so am I missing something here or what? The sheep needs food!

[SodaSpirit17]

I buy Yates as scum over Uphill.

[Yates]

I buy Yates as scum over Uphill.

Then you're getting a rotten deal.

I'd like to see the case on me. I have ISO-ed myself and fancy myself a man about Town.

[xRECKONERx]

2. Reck is probably scum, because he shouldn't have allowed that level of derpy to exists as a case he supported.

What case did I support?

[Regfan]

Furcolow has been prodded.

[Thor665]

@Yates - the case on you is that I dislike your face and have a beard.

@Reck - you supported the derp case on me. I've said as much, quite clearly. You can claim scum now, it will save some time.

@Soda Spirit - deal.

Unvote: Uphill
Vote: Yates

Choo-choo!

[Thor665]

Oh, and everyone, I want your opinions about this;

Well, actually I specifically pointed out two different town tells in a case supposedly about showing me as scum - the third tell I noted was him calling me scum for making an RVS vote...seriously now, the case doesn't exist and I showed two town tells - that makes it a town case. The fact that no one else said anything means two additional things;

1. There probably isn't any more of a case on me - thus I only have town tells on me.
2. Reck is probably scum, because he shouldn't have allowed that level of derpy to exists as a case he supported.

And now ask yourselves how confused Reck should have been about what I meant.

Reck, I forgot, do you skim and not really read stuff as town or as scum?

[Pine]

No. Thor, look at the discussion FoN (Lady Lambdadelta) and I had on page 39-40). Yates pushed Triangle early and hard, and Yates is too lolnewbie to have pulled off a bus that convincingly.

[Yates]

@Yates - the case on you is that I dislike your face and have a beard.

Unable to come up with a case, this is your defense? You are clearly not playing as Town or thinking as Town or acting like Town. For all of these reasons, as well as reasons outlined above, my vote remains.

[Pine]

Also, I have no clue what you're nattering on about in 1084. If you want opinions on something, put it in context and explain it. Links, quotes, whatever you need to do to make yourself understood.

Yates, shut up and pay attention. You are Town, I'm fairly convinced of that at this point. However, you've played so scummy in this game it's almost too hard to believe despite strong evidence in your favor. So kindly sit down and let the big boys play the game. Thor is far more experienced than to make a serious vote with that stated reason; he clearly has a case (several good ones have already been made) but doesn't feel like explaining.

[Thor665]

@Pine - 1084 is, though nattery, also self contained as long as you note 1081 where Reck acts like the listed point 2 has come out of nowhere and he has no idea what case I'm referring to. It's clear evidence he isn't reading jack or spit, yet is noting when his name comes up. Also known as a scumtell.

I'll go check out pg 39-40 and be back with thoughts.

[xRECKONERx]

I skim as both alignments when people post walls.

I'm still not seeing what case you think I agree with?

[Pine]

Oh, and everyone, I want your opinions about this;

Well, actually I specifically pointed out two different town tells

FROM WHO?

in a case supposedly about showing me as scum

WHICH CASE?

- the third tell I noted was him

WHO?

calling me scum for making an RVS vote...seriously now, the case doesn't exist and I showed two town tells - that makes it a town case

THE SECOND HALF OF THIS SENTENCE MAKES NO SENSE OUT OF CONTEXT

. The fact that no one else said anything means two additional things;

1. There probably isn't any more of a case on me - thus I only have town tells on me.

UMM, WHAT? IF YOU'RE GOING TO JUST WHOLESALE DISMISS THE CASES AGAINST YOU, YOU CAN GO TO HELL. YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE.

2. Reck is probably scum, because he shouldn't have allowed that level of derpy to exists as a case he supported.

WHICH CASE? LINK PLEASE. ALSO, RECK IS SUPPOSED TO POLICE THE REASONS OF PEOPLE ON THE SAME WAGON AS HIM?

And now ask yourselves how confused Reck should have been about what I meant.

WE ALL CONFUSED BRO. WTF j00 TALKIN BOUT?

Reck, I forgot, do you skim and not really read stuff as town or as scum?

No Thor, it isn't specific enough. And I'm too lazy to go back and reread the entire thread to try to follow your line of thinking. My comments in bold green.

[Thor665]

I even quoted it for you, you useless man.

Unvote: Yates
Vote: Reck

@Pine - yeah, that was pretty convincing. It hurts my soul for both of them to be town though, and Uphill was actually seriously willing to dig into that with me...of course they're so newbie maybe they, even as scum, just actually think I'm lynchbait because they don't know any better. I think I'm back to being content with Uphill or Reck getting rope, and I've currently got a patch of beard that's saying Uphill might be town. Not feeling that with Reck.

@Yates - I'm actually not as quickly dismissive as some of the others, but I do have a bit of a puzzler for you to consider. I've noted multiple occurences (even in the few pages I've read) of the more experienced players telling you that you're scummy and your cases are somewhere between a derp and a not-so-bright rock. Now, do you think we're all doing that because we're smelly and mean (well, *I* am, but...) or do you think that your cases perhaps need work in spotting what is or is not actually a scumtell? As a game based around analysis this is a pretty important thing for you to ask yourself and come up with an answer for. Allow me to give you a very quick breakdown;

1. I *am* actually pretty obvious town, both through predecessor's actions and my own. I'm hardly obv. town, but I am very town.
2. There has honestly been nothing you've called me on thus far that is a scumtell - that's why I'm being so dismissive of your cases, they really are of questionable merit and not of the worth you seem to hold them in.
3. If you are town, you're allowing this odd side crusade to distract from legitimate scumhunting efforts that are going on.

I'd like you to try this - just sort of ignore screaming about how obv. scum I am because of whatever reason you think you see. Do this ignoring for about your next five posts of the day.
During those next five posts I'd like to see you do the following;

Offer about a 1-2 sentence read on Reck and Uphill.
Tell me your read on Furc.
Respond to some questions that I will have about those reads, and do so without thinking I'm scheming scum.

After that is all done, if you still have issues with me say so, and I'll point out the partial case I've already advanced on you that I'm mildly miffed you missed (but I'm choosing to take you into town discussion on Pine's say-so, so say 'thank you, Pine') and I'll also discuss your case on me some more if you wish, even though you never tried to address my rebuttal of your case other than going 'nyaa-nyaa, you're still scum!' which seems kinda unhelpful on multiple levels.

Also, voting for Reck would be awesome.

[xRECKONERx]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEE REASONLESS VOTES WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STILL IGNORING MY VERY EASY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

also if you continue to wallpost I will just stop reading your posts altogether, jesus fucking christ

[Thor665]

Oh Pine, thanks for making this obnoxious to respond to...

WHICH CASE?

Yates' case on me.

WHO?

Yates.

THE SECOND HALF OF THIS SENTENCE MAKES NO SENSE OUT OF CONTEXT

That's...the definition of something being out of context, it doesn't make sense.
His case had three points on me.
1. was that my slot had not explained the reasons of its RVS vote...oooh, scumtell.
The other was that the slot had expressed intent to hammer a "scumbuddy" due to deadline (because that's how busses work?)
The third was...I don't even recall right now and am too lazy to look, but it was silly and also made this slot look like town, not scum, so derp.
Contextual enough for you?

UMM, WHAT? IF YOU'RE GOING TO JUST WHOLESALE DISMISS THE CASES AGAINST YOU, YOU CAN GO TO HELL. YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE.

If you have issues with that, why not have issues with when I did the point by point dismissal of the case?
Go read, you go read and you die...and read...and nether-realms...YES!

WHICH CASE?

...Yates' case. Sweet mary, it's the only case I ever talked about.

LINK PLEASE.

My iso isn't that long yet.

ALSO, RECK IS SUPPOSED TO POLICE THE REASONS OF PEOPLE ON THE SAME WAGON AS HIM?

Yes. You should always be paying attention to the reasons and methods of the people supporting the wagon you are.

No Thor, it isn't specific enough. And I'm too lazy to go back and reread the entire thread to try to follow your line of thinking. My comments in bold green.

My comments in sarcasm.
You're voting for Reck had the right to be confused then, thank you.

[Thor665]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STILL IGNORING MY VERY EASY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Yates' case.

[xRECKONERx]

where did you "quote" his case for me

[Thor665]

I quoted where I was discussing his case, and specifically mentioned after seeing that case that it gave me two points.
One of those points was the one that confused you.
Which of the cases that I called town cases on me did you think I meant? Because I think there's only the one.

[xRECKONERx]

Dude, I have no fucking clue, I'm not paying attention to your wallposts. And that one post you made was confusing as fuck.

[Thor665]

That's cool, we're lynching you now anyways, maybe you'll manage to wrap your head around that concept.
have you done anything pro-town this game that should make me not want you speed lynched?

[Pine]

Reck led the D1 lynch on scum, Thor. I'm not putting it past him to be a bus, but we're not lynching him with much more solid suspicions on Uphill and Soda. And you.