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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:10 pm

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Indecision wrote:I personally think she's nitpicking, and that it's a kneejerk reaction to your pushing us this hard.

but her case looks insincere to me. but i dunno would she accept a 1/1 trade as scum like that? i realise i'm asking you her hydra partner but shut up. I was so convinced you were scum and proud of myself for actually maybe even being able to finally spot you but now I just feel unsure and I fucking hate it.
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:10 pm

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kiwieagle wrote:..but mina can right?

If not then how will you refute?

also can you explain your vote?

Sup. Who are your scumreads again?
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:13 pm

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Faraday, you know probably better than anyone that I will roll over if there's enough people who suspect me and it's not yet LyLo. That's the definition of an easy lynch, and it's not like this crowd is receptive to my defensive tactic of reverse psychology.

I'm surprised you brought up your hitogoroshi push in In the Court of the Gods. I forgot about that.

Eh, whatever. For the sake of Mina's sanity, I'll just sit on this side of the fence and continue to gesture at you.

kiwieagle wrote:also can you explain your vote?

No.

Faraday wrote:but i dunno would she accept a 1/1 trade as scum like that?

I totally fucking would.
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:15 pm

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Indecision wrote:Faraday, you know probably better than anyone that I will roll over if there's enough people who suspect me and it's not yet LyLo. That's the definition of an easy lynch, and it's not like this crowd is receptive to my defensive tactic of reverse psychology.

you think you're an easy lynch? really?
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:16 pm

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i mean yes you often SAY 'Oh lynch me' but you never ACTUALLY get lynched do you?
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:21 pm

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Okay.

Unvote, Vote Kiwieagle
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:22 pm

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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:26 pm

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Faraday, now you know how I felt in Game 82.5 on Westeros.

I have to admit that I actually groaned when I came back and saw her vote on kiwieagle and then sudden switch to you. Even I didn't get she was talking about your not acknowledging Hindu's case with the Player A and Player B thing until she explained it. I think her reasoning on you is too clever for its own good. Anything I say in her defence is somewhat self-serving, but I think the biggest clue that she's town is how frustrated and emotional she's getting about this--she's just hammering away at you over this.

Preview-edit: And also, that she's apparently doing that ridiculous thing in which she fucking BEGS PEOPLE to lynch us.

Preview-edit2: *emotionless monotone* Oh, no, we were just daykilled. Woe is us! Time for us to claim scum before the flip comes in, because I know you would never gambit about something like that.

kiwieagle wrote:..but mina can right?

If not then how will you refute?

also can you explain your vote?

...but...don't you think we're scum?

Do you want us to refute Faraday's case? Do you think we haven't posted enough?

Equinox explained it here.

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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:26 pm

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Faraday wrote:i mean yes you often SAY 'Oh lynch me' but you never ACTUALLY get lynched do you?

The tactic's backfired on me before. Like I said, it's not like this crowd would be receptive to that particular brand of WIFOM, and I know how hard you push wagons -- successfully, I might add -- when you're scum.

Faraday wrote:Daykill Equinox

At least you admit I make a good vig target.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:32 pm

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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:36 pm

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Indecision wrote:Faraday, now you know how I felt in Game 82.5 on Westeros.

I have to admit that I actually groaned when I came back and saw her vote on kiwieagle and then sudden switch to you. Even I didn't get she was talking about your not acknowledging Hindu's case with the Player A and Player B thing until she explained it. I think her reasoning on you is too clever for its own good. Anything I say in her defence is somewhat self-serving, but I think the biggest clue that she's town is how frustrated and emotional she's getting about this--she's just hammering away at you over this.

Preview-edit: And also, that she's apparently doing that ridiculous thing in which she fucking BEGS PEOPLE to lynch us.

Preview-edit2: *emotionless monotone* Oh, no, we were just daykilled. Woe is us! Time for us to claim scum before the flip comes in, because I know you would never gambit about something like that.

kiwieagle wrote:..but mina can right?

If not then how will you refute?

also can you explain your vote?

...but...don't you think we're scum?

Do you want us to refute Faraday's case? Do you think we haven't posted enough?

Equinox explained it here.

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No...
I ment when you said that indecision couldnt communicate with faraday anymore (?)
and I said:

..but mina can right?

If not then how will you refute?


Also mina's head > equinox's head
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:38 pm

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Indecision wrote:The tactic's backfired on me before. Like I said, it's not like this crowd would be receptive to that particular brand of WIFOM, and I know how hard you push wagons -- successfully, I might add -- when you're scum.

But that's the thing you also know how I push wagons as scum, and I don't know how you could see my push on you as not being genuine given the information I had, that's why I found your countervote to be really bad. it's like you didn't even care about my POV, you were just concerned with discrediting me. i mean this isn't even a response to that quote BUT.

Kiwi's a great vote though.
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:40 pm

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Kiwi if you werre a hugging dayvig and you knew Mina's hydra was hug immune who would you hug vig?
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:49 pm

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I read up to page 6 and went to bed while I waited for a Mina post. Quick-skimmed and saw a giant wall with a vote on me and some posts from Mina.

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I'll post again when I'm back from work but I'd like to actually read this. I have a bad feeling this town is going to do something retarded without me and I felt Indecision was town on page 5 or so but wanted to wait for Mina to post again because it's been a lot of Equinox spam.
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:12 pm

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Jeez. watching this drama unfold is so confusing. i'll just sleep on it and come back tomorrow.
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:57 pm

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Jase wrote:Were there reasons based on scumhunting for these questions? I'm not seeing the purpose.

Yes. Whether you see the purpose, or not, I had reasons for them. I'll elucidate on these, this time, but don't expect it always.

The ones to 4nxi3ty were aiming to find out if the 1 of 3 comment was serious, or just a passing reference to the dominant theme of the game before voting Klazam.

The ones to you were geared around figuring out your miller claim, and around deciding if you were planning to present a certain predetermined facade forward.

The one to Timeater was a an outgrowth of what I was thinking of saying as an RVS, but by the time I posted, the game was flying strong. So, Timeater hadn't yet posted, and I was curious if his first contribution would be to focus on what was essentially a throw away question.

I'll ask questions in my own way. You may not always know why I want a particular piece of information. If I'm ever pushing for a particular lynch, I'll post my reasons unequivocally.

Zang wrote:The only thing that nachomamma8 said with his vote was him asking a question which Anxiety has already answered. Your reasoning for voting him didn't apply. So why did you vote him anyway? Did you even read Nachomamma8's and Anxiety's post?

I read 4nxi3ty's post and was taken with the smear 3, vote someone else nature of it. Nachomamma8's questions were different than mine. I wanted answers to those as well as mine. I wasn't offering Nachomamma8's questions as my reason for voting 4nxi3ty in any way. I saw that 4nxi3ty had posted answers to Nachomamma8 before I posted, but didn't have time to read them or edit the post to acknowledge that fact.

There were multiple things of interest to me when I posted, and I voted 4nxi3ty because that was most significant.

Indecision wrote:-I debate questioning Jase on his DLG vote,and also mention getting town vibes from Faraday.
-I also consider doing something erratic like voting for Jase for being a miller (maybe making a sarcastic "Everyone knows that miller claims are scummy") just to see the reactions, although we both agree that Jase looks town.
-Equinox tells me to do whatever I want to end RVS, because we can talk our way out of heat. But she also muses that a Faraday wagon is always good.

...The rest of the conversation doesn't have much to do with Faraday.

The things about Jase and me have nothing to do with Faraday, so why include them?
Since you did, though, what about Jase's vote would you have questionned?

UNVOTE: 4nxi3ty

4nxi3ty wrote:I have already said that I find klazam scummy because of his response to nacho, I would at least like to wait until he posts before moving. I don't really see a reason to rush.

His vote is evidently not subject to the persuaion of others.

@ Faraday and both heads of Indecision
Have you concluded your personal inspections of each other? Sure the debate was in thread, but it involved games and meta on each other that is unverifiable to me, at the least, and maybe most everyone else.

Am I correct that you have come to a mutual town read on each other?
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:01 pm

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waitasecond.

I'm not sure about the faraday side, but on the indecision side, it seems that mina and equinox holds 2 completely different opinions of faraday, and mina is frantically trying to stop equinox from tunneling on what mina feels is a townie. This type of thing coming from a hydra makes me think of these 2 scenarios-

a) Hydra who is town and are...
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b) they are a scum hydra, with mina trying to drag equinox out of the hole that equinox is digging. Concerning, but unlikely, and i think it's a really difficult thing to stage, the posts feel too real.

Option a is more likely in my opinion. this makes me think that indecision is town.

i'll analyze faraday's side tomorrow. Posting coming from faraday seems like its not clear on which viewpoint- town or scum- they are coming from for me. i'll think more on that.
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:14 pm

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Yeah, I've certainly changed my read and calmed down a bit. #187 and #207 both read town to me. They're not OMG MINA level town but I certainly don't want them dead now.
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:35 am

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I am now reading little pieces as I go back to page 6.

Hito, did you type that bit in red?

I just wanted to make sure.

Also, LOL. 196 is awesome.
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:59 am

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Nachomamma8 wrote:
Hinduragi wrote:Oh, yes, yes. Let's flame me because I think you're scum. Honestly? Can you fucking cut it back? REALLY? My FIRST VOTE of the damn game and you're going to break this shit out instead of asking me ANYTHING about why I think you're scum? Fuck ALL THAT and ESPECIALLY fuck this sham of a defense.

This was an overreaction.

It was warranted, I was pissed, and I wanted more posts from Indecision on grounds I chose.
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:02 am

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Oh my GOD. I just got to post 144. This is going to suck.
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:15 am

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Post #144 has 40 quotes out of 144 posts in the thread at that point <_<

Uh, yeah. I've slept on it and Indecision's posts aren't bad. Mina comes across as really genuine. The fact she sees where I'm coming from helps, tbh.
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:15 am

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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:17 am

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1.You said “I know I've used it before as scum”. You didn't bother to look up whether you actually did or not before your vote? So then why bother looking it up now? Why were you so sure that you have if you haven't?
2.You said that saying “you might as well claim scum” is often said by scum so they are scum was your main reason for voting them. So why are you still voting them? Why didn't you provide that reasoning in your original post with your vote?
3.How could you have a gut read on Faraday if you only read one post of his that says “Vote Indecision”?

Your other point before this was something about not using my meta/others' to judge Indecision. Yeah, ok. But, it was page ONE. I don't need confirmed scum reasoning to vote someone. You're acting like I do.

1. No, I didn't. I looked it up because Indecision asked. ...Are you fucking kidding me? How should I know? I just knew I'd said it before and I thought I was scum. Turns out I was town.
2. You should read my wall where I summed up reasons for voting them. I'm not repeating this. My original post contained me reading the first few posts of the game and voting instantly.
3. I don't know. Should we ask my gut?

Clarification.

Also, why do you think it is likely that it came from town?

Clarification of what? Are you reading the other posts? I thought it best to ignore the "us" and just move on with the game and remember it for later. What about that makes it look like I thought it was likely to come from town? If you saw it, you should've said "ok, Nacho's either 1.) derp'ing 2.) reaction fishing 3.) being a failure of a mason or 4.) scum. 3/4 of those are town but that doesn't mean it's likely to come from town. Instead, it's best to remember it when you look at Nacho later on in the game and when you think he's actually scum, bring it up. Until then, if he's town, you might've just handed scum a mason.

How is that the only thing that they could have been thinking as town?

Minus the paranoia details(which still probably had something to do with it), it's literally the only thing you would vote someone for as town unless you think town would RVS a townie on D1 with their first post in their first vote.

It was the RVS. Whys should it matter if their vote is good or not? And your whole case assumes that his vote is serious which although I'm still confused on it, I don't think is true.

Oh, this is SO fucking hypocritical. These questions are so stupid. They're trying to defend the vote in that post so, yes, the reasons need to be good if you're going to try holding it. I don't remember or care what part of the game the quoted post was in but this is fucking stupid.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:18 am

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Faraday wrote:more adter my run

Look at the questions I was asked. Seriously.
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