Abarat Mafia: Mini 1274 - Over

[Hinduragi]

I'll make a more consice post summarizing my reads later.

oh, please DO. Because there isn't an ounce of anything that's scummy about ANYTHING in there except useless questions directed at me.

[kiwieagle]

Kiwi if you werre a hugging dayvig and you knew Mina's hydra was hug immune who would you hug vig?

Assuming I have to?

Mina's Hydra because then its wasted (- I wouldnt wanna shoot someone yet)

[Hinduragi]

flailing hard ^

Yeah, this bullshit isn't flying in my house.

Vote: Timeater

Let me explain what's going on and why Timeater is about to die.

Last game, in RPG Mafia, I played with Timeater. I was scum. He was town. He had just played with me as town in a game(LIPD Mafia under an alt) where I was just about the only person to read him as town at the last minute and I tried to stop his lynch. So, in RPG, he was basically like "ok, cool Hindu, keep getting scum for us" since I tunneled my buddy D1 with Fate. There was some mentioning from him, I think, of "Hindu, if youre scum I hate you" or something. I also had Fate thinking I was town but that's irrelevant. So, long story short, he got dayvigged by failtown and found out I was scum postgame. I ended up taking the game to LYLO with kiwi and winning through a lolability thing.

Basically, Tim has GOOD REASON to push vengeance ALL OVER my ass. He even came into this game in the signup thread saying that was EXACTLY what he planned on....but...nothing. He HASN'T EVEN MENTIONED my first post where I said I was town and he didn't have to tunnel me. And now he's just...blindly following me on someone I was voting. "to get a read on me/Faraday"...yet he's pushing Indecision like he does in the quoted post. I don't like it. And I sure as fuck don't want him to be all "LOLOLOL Hindu/Faraday scumteam; pushed a mislynch D1" because that's a load of shit and it's EXACTLY what this quote looks like he's setting up for. Add in the noncommital stances(especially with this pushing while Indecision was the strongest wagon or something he said about it earlier) all over the place along with no reads and you've got scum.

[Klazam]

Kiwieagle- do you still think indecision is scum? And what reason? It seems that your only reason is that Indec was pushing a lynch on 4nix3ty and then backed off of it, correct?

[Hinduragi]

Oh, for fuck's sake.

UNVOTE: Faraday

I don't care, I'm unvoting because I think Equinox's vote on Faraday is stupid. When he's scum, he just calls the person he's voting obvscum over again; he doesn't fly off the handle like this.

I think you're both tunneling like idiots on each other right now for abstract theory discussions you had in some chat log from some game from months ago.

Also, I refuse to claim before L-1.

~Mina

Holy shit, Indecision is confirmed town as fuck.

[4nxi3ty]

With recent activity the possibility of two scum in the previously mentioned triangle is valid.

This is the problem I have with you. What recent activity? (Be more specific). Why two scum in the triangle and not SPECIFIC PEOPLE IN THE TRIANGLE? (Be more specific). Are you afraid to call people out as scum, so you just call groups of people out as scum?

I think your getting a little stuck on the amount of specificity needed to convey a thought and yeah I understand it is easy for scum to hide behind generalities.

Now is probably a good time to further explain this post:

initial reaction to the jase/faraday/indecision triangle is one scum, two towns.

Vote: Klazam

your unvote feels a little out of place.

This was a semi-reaction test. I knew it would look bad to say there is scum in this group and then vote someone outside the groups

Hmm. I dont get it, then.

Does your Hindu vote have any basis or not?

unvote

[/quote]
I still find this unvote scummy because the question immediately before looks like he is still suspicious of nacho, so I don't really get what the unvote was supposed to accomplish.

As far as reactions to my post go; Nacho, DLG, and Zang seem to be curious about what my motivations were whereas Indecision and Oversoul looked like they only wanted a lynch and didn't really care to have further information.

With regards to meta-talk, the triangle, and recent activity: The recent 1v1 between Indecision and Faraday is another example of what I was getting at earlier except now it looks like Jase got caught up in the middle of it and shouldn't be included in this analysis. A good amount of their accusations are centered around meta, which if they were both town and have significant meta on each other I don't see the need to focus the majority of their attention on each other. It leads me to believe that one of them has a overwhelming scumtell on the other. Right now I am leaning more toward equinox being the scum in that pairing. However, with the way faraday voted me I could also see the possibility of this being a distancing ploy.

At the moment I am okay with a Indecision, Klazam, or Oversoul lynch. I am not ready to push either lynch because I would like to leave room for error. If I had to pick right now, I would lynch Indecision seeing as it would be the most informative.

[Hinduragi]

Also, I'm seeing everyone call my case on Indecision a PBPA. That was not a PBPA. I just picked out shit I remembered I didn't like and said why.

[Hinduragi]

kiwi, who do you think is scum?

[Hinduragi]

mation.

With regards to meta-talk, the triangle, and recent activity:

The recent 1v1 between Indecision and Faraday is another example of what I was getting at earlier except now it looks like Jase got caught up in the middle of it and shouldn't be included in this analysis.

A good amount of their accusations are centered around meta, which if they were both town and have significant meta on each other I don't see the need to focus the majority of their attention on each other. It leads me to believe that one of them has a overwhelming scumtell on the other. Right now I am leaning more toward equinox being the scum in that pairing. However, with the way faraday voted me I could also see the possibility of this being a distancing ploy.

WRONG. That's probably the MOST telling piece of ALL the conversations in this entire thread. The way the meta is done, the playstyles, and how they back it up, responds, etc. are what you can use. Just because it involves meta doesn't mean shit. Plus, pro tip: meta is actually a good scumhunting tool. You just have to know how to use it.

[Timeater]

unvote

lol

you seem to be forgetting three things

im in love with you

im bipolar

i never draw scum. ever.

i have a house to sell more later

[kiwieagle]

4nxi3ty

DLG

Faraday

Hinduragi

Indecision (Equinox + Mina Hydra)

Jase

Klazam

Nachomamma8

Oversoul

Seraphim

Timeater

Zang

Light green = town
Green = very town
Null = white
light red = a bit scummy

Had alot of nulls because some people only have 2 or 3 posts.

[Hinduragi]

Godfuckingdammit.

Unvote

Fuck you. I hate being scum. Give me your town pulling streak thing.

Vote: Klazam

I'm trying not to sheep Faraday/Mina+Equinox.

[Hinduragi]

...How are DLG and Oversoul very town? How are Nacho/Time scummy?

[Klazam]

4nix3ty- If it looks bad, then you'll be voted for it. i dont get how its a reaction test.

I'll try to explain my unvote- This is my thought process:

1) That looks scummy, vote, and try to find out the purpose of the deal
2) Hmm, so basically the deal means nothing
3) so basically Nacho just trusts equinox that much? ------------------ At that point, it is clear the reason for my vote means nothing, so I didnt find Nacho that scummy anymore
4) I ask him if his vote on Hind had any basis (This is a different line of questioning, i dont find him scummy for the vote, just for the deal), and i unvote.

It was not a SCUMMY thing that nacho did, just a slightly scummy thing.

so, you (4nix3ty) think even after the Indecision vs Faraday drama that Indecision is scum? Could you please elaborate on this?

Pedit:

Kiwieagle- I cant see any light green, is there any? And if you're null on Indecision, why is your vote on him and not the people you think is scum?

I'm considering voting Kiwieagle, actually.

Pedit #2:

I hate being scum.

Why the vote on me, then?

[Hinduragi]

I thought you were scummy for something a while ago or maybe it was during my reread, I don't really know. You've sort of just been "there" when I've been reading so I haven't paid you much attention. I'll go back to it later. For now, I've got to no-life Skyrim with the little free time have, sleep, go to work, sleep, go to a movie with a date, and I'll get back to you either during my break, before I go to work, or after all of that. I know Faraday will give me plenty of stuff to read through, though. I've been trying to spam but it's not working. I just checked and he has 77 fucking posts. I've got 20-something.

[Klazam]

Fine, I'll wait.

[kiwieagle]

4nix3ty- If it looks bad, then you'll be voted for it. i dont get how its a reaction test.

I'll try to explain my unvote- This is my thought process:

1) That looks scummy, vote, and try to find out the purpose of the deal
2) Hmm, so basically the deal means nothing
3) so basically Nacho just trusts equinox that much? ------------------ At that point, it is clear the reason for my vote means nothing, so I didnt find Nacho that scummy anymore
4) I ask him if his vote on Hind had any basis (This is a different line of questioning, i dont find him scummy for the vote, just for the deal), and i unvote.

It was not a SCUMMY thing that nacho did, just a slightly scummy thing.

so, you (4nix3ty) think even after the Indecision vs Faraday drama that Indecision is scum? Could you please elaborate on this?

Pedit:

Kiwieagle- I cant see any light green, is there any? And if you're null on Indecision, why is your vote on him and not the people you think is scum?

I'm considering voting Kiwieagle, actually.

Pedit #2:

I hate being scum.

Why the vote on me, then?

All of them are light green?

and

vote me...because im voting someone who I think is a bit scum? (haven't you never put slightly town and slightly scum as null?)
I seriously dont care.
Im busy playing skyrim.

Pedit:
Hindu your playing aswell ?

[kiwieagle]

Also yes it took me 15 minutes to write that post <.< <.>

[Klazam]

I'm thinking about voting you because your vote is on null, when somebody is more scummy in your eyes. Go and vote who you think is scummiest. And you didnt explain why you thought Nacho and Tim is scum. And how the hell do you have a town read on Oversoul? how do you get that from two posts? IF anything, I'd say Oversoul would be scummy.

And what is it with skyrim now?


Screw it. I'm gonna

vote Kiwi

[Faraday]

more adter my run

Look at the questions I was asked. Seriously.

I got more though. I mean this is fairly typical for Zang, he asks lots of questions.

What do you think of Kiwi in relation to RPG? He's play here doesn't look anything like marius and sulla to me where I was fairly confident he was town after a couple of exchanges with him.

Imma go play some marathon games or something (join me!) and come back to this in a bit. i feel like i'm driving most of the conversation and I hate doing that as i feel my scumhunting becomes less accuration. hey indecision you're soooooooo pretty, drive the conversation (also get an avatar!)

[Faraday]

With regards to meta-talk, the triangle, and recent activity: The recent 1v1 between Indecision and Faraday is another example of what I was getting at earlier except now it looks like Jase got caught up in the middle of it and shouldn't be included in this analysis. A good amount of their accusations are centered around meta, which if they were both town and have significant meta on each other I don't see the need to focus the majority of their attention on each other. It leads me to believe that one of them has a overwhelming scumtell on the other. Right now I am leaning more toward equinox being the scum in that pairing. However, with the way faraday voted me I could also see the possibility of this being a distancing ploy.

I have in depth meta on mina and equinox, and it's how I read them every game. This doesn't seem to help me catch Mina as scum though, she's probably one of the people I would worry most about fooling me because she's beaten me reasonably badly twice now. The reverse holds true too. I mean, if you actually read the conversation I did think I had a surefire scumtell based on comments from a previous game but it turned out to hold far less water than I thought, in fact it's null. That means my analysis was flawed, and looking at Mina's posts lately I get a really good feeling about them. I think the interactions are the most fruitful in the game, the three of us have played a fair bit together and we're fucking scary together as town.

The way you interpreted the use of meta makes you seem like a bit of a dogmatist though when it comes to the subject so w/e

[4nxi3ty]

okay, that helps.

I did read that you had a scumtell on equinox and I was worried about the sudden change in stance that you and hinduragi had on mina. I think the reads can be explained by simple hydra dissosance as well, much more comfortable with not lynching indecision now.

unvote, vote: oversoul

[hitogoroshi]

"It is worth remembering Samuel Klepp the First died having become lost on one of the Outer Islands. He was found, dead from exposure, with a copy of his own Almenak in his hand. According to a detailed map in the Almenak that he himself had drawn, there was supposed to be a small town that bore his name on the very spot where he had perished; he had no doubt been looking for the town when exposure overtook him. As it happened, no such town existed. But since his death a town has been founded at that place, to service the sightseers who come to see the spot where the great Almenak maker perished. And yes, it is called Klepp.

His map, then, was correct. It was simply premature.

Such things happen often in the archipelago, especially on those islands closest to the Twenty-Fifth Hour. So be warned."

--

Klepp's Almenak

VC 5 (Session 1, VC 5)

(3)

Kiwieagle:

Indecision, Faraday, Klazam [L-4]
(2)

Indecision:

Jase, kiwieagle

(Faraday, Hinduragi, Timeater)

(2)

4nxi3ty

: Nachomamma8, Oversoul

(DLG)

(1)

Zang:

Seraphim
(1)

Klazam:

Hinduragi

(4nxi3ty)

(1)

Hinduragi:

Zang
(1)

Oversoul:

4nxi3ty
(0)

Timeater:

(Hinduragi)

(2)

Not Voting

: Timeater, DLG

(Hinduragi, Klazam)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Automatic Termination of the First Session

(expired on 2011-12-02 00:30:00)

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Hito, did you type that bit in red?

I just wanted to make sure.

No, I did not. If I were to inline edit a post, it would be in blue, and I would sign it so there's no ambiguity.

[kiwieagle]

I'm thinking about voting you because your vote is on null, when somebody is more scummy in your eyes. Go and vote who you think is scummiest. And you didnt explain why you thought Nacho and Tim is scum. And how the hell do you have a town read on Oversoul? how do you get that from two posts? IF anything, I'd say Oversoul would be scummy.

And what is it with skyrim now?


Screw it. I'm gonna

vote Kiwi

Why does oversoul strike you as scum?

[hitogoroshi]

I forgot to mention in my activity ruleset that I do not count Saturday hours for activity; my nod to the general understanding that weekends should be counted less lest mafia games become more of an onerous burden. The ruleset has been updated.