Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

[xRECKONERx]

have you done anything pro-town this game that should make me not want you speed lynched?

you mean other than lynching scum D1 after people fought and fought to save triangle?

nahhhhh

[Uphill]

First of all, that's not even on the same

page

as when you said you'd "just proved" yourself obvtown, much less the same post. I'm kickin' yo SMURFSSSSSSSSSS in reading comprehension!

And yet you didn't notice the two posts came within a half an hour of each other - almost as though I was having an active conversation and probably had stuff very fresh in my mind.
Timestamps - they matter.

Okay, you got me there. I indeed didn't notice the time stamps.

If it was that obvious you were town, you wouldn't be a primary lynch candidate! The fact that you specifically chose the words "proved" and "obv. town" to describe yourself

when you're at L-2

comes off like you're trying to jedi mind trick everyone into looking somewhere else.

Well, actually I specifically pointed out two different town tells in a case supposedly about showing me as scum - the third tell I noted was him calling me scum for making an RVS vote...seriously now, the case doesn't exist and I showed two town tells - that makes it a town case. The fact that no one else said anything means two additional things;

1. There probably isn't any more of a case on me - thus I only have town tells on me.
2. Reck is probably scum, because he shouldn't have allowed that level of derpy to exists as a case he supported.

There isn't any more of a case on you? What, have I been posting chopped liver here?

Even if your points about Alex were town tells (and I don't agree, I don't have any problem seeing scumAlex voting Pine while staying indifferent to Triangle, nor seeing scumAlex threatening to hammer Triangle but not actually doing it) that still doesn't make you proved obvtown.

I'm not following your second point at all. If Yates's case is derpy, why is Reck scummy for allowing it to exist, and not Yates for actually making it exist, or me for also allowing it to exist?

I have voted your slot every day, and I presented a case against alex first thing D2 when nobody else was looking at him hard.

Link to your case?
Also - is it still your case?

This, along with the chopped liver:

Here he screams in all caps that Pine is scum, but for all his apparent certainty this is all he ever says about Pine. I would think someone this certain about one of the wagons would be trying a lot harder to get that one lynched, rather than just waiting and letting the other one happen. Speaking of Triangle, weirdalex says that Reck really stretched his point about Triangle early on, which wouldn't be that bad except that it is the only thing he ever says about Triangle. Triangle had focus on her for basically the entire day, I don't see a good reason for alex to not state a read on her, and the Reck-stretching-his-point thing seems like a passive defense that still lets him fence-sit.

You can try to make this about the quantity of alex's pressure on Pine

relative to his pressure on anyone else

all you want, but the fact of the matter is that his ONLY attack on Pine, AT ALL, EVER, is this:

That is still the point though. You don't look at how well I play golf, and say "Look, Tiger Woods plays golf better than Thor, Thor must be trying to lose the game in order to...I dunno, make money by betting against himself."

You're applying a false criteria. If you agree that he pressured nobody more than his top suspect, and that his top suspect was almost all of his pressure, attacks, and attention (And he was, it's obvious) then it doesn't matter if you think it was weak pressure - because it was probably top level pressure for the skills of the player.

Unless you're saying alex was a really good player and was playing a weaker game in order to advance his scum agenda - that would be scummy, but I'd be curious to see your evidence of alex being a good player.

Does this make sense to you? Take a deep breath, please, and read it twice. It's a very compelling and clear defeat of your position.

If you hit the ball and it only went half as far as Tiger Woods' ball did, I would not assume your efforts were dishonest.
If you putted the ball two feet on the tee-off, I would assume exactly that.
I think Alex was putting.

Moar Uphill votes pl0x!

Seriously, people. Look at that quote. Then look at this one:

If you want to vote Reck I'd be willing to sheep you on that one

Then vote Thor. Then vote Thor some more.

Oh, dear sir, someday you'll learn about meta, and we won't have these confusions. I look forward to our second game together.
In any case...

Why "someday"? Why not just tell me about it

right now

? If you believe me calling those posts scummy is a "confusion", why wouldn't you want to clear that up right away? Especially with the deadline as close as it is, I don't see any good reason for you to be stalling here.

So I take it you don't find Reck scummy at all? Because you're not willing to get off an obviously now locked wagon to try something new?
Or do you not see already how the wagon on me is going to go no further today?

I don't find Reck scummy.

And the only reason the wagons are locked is because Grimmjow and Furcolow and Soda haven't commented on them. Until they do, I'm not going to assume this wagon will go no further.

While we're asking questions - I'd also like to have your read on Uphill.

I think he's town, mainly because I like his case on Thor.

[Thor665]

Reck led the Triangle lynch? Hurm...

@Uphill - *raspberry*

[xRECKONERx]

Reck led the Triangle lynch? Hurm...

@Uphill - *raspberry*

"oh hey I'm just gonna throw shit at Reck to see if anything can stick"

Yeah, Thor's scum here

[Thor665]

1. Force of Nature - likely town
3. Uphill - gut town, but PoE scum, leaning scum
4. Thor665 - bearded (actually, whiskered right now, but, hey)
5. SodaSpirit17 - no read whatsoever
6. Grimmjow - no read whatsoever
7. xRECKONERx - obv. town
8. Pine - strong town
10. Yates - obv. town
12. Furcolow - needs rope, but currently town for miller claim.

@Reck - I see you were defending Soda earlier when he was a counter wagon, is that still a town read? Any reasons besides counter to Triangle?

@Pine - what's the story with Grimm?

[Thor665]

"oh hey I'm just gonna throw Smurf at Reck to see if anything can stick"

Oh hey, I openly admitted I wasn't reading the game so maybe I'm rocking the boat to provide accelerated reads.

Yeah, Thor's awesome here.
Your case on me is still silly dude, look at it, look at your wagon support, the princess is in another castle.

[Pine]

Grimm is Lurky McLurker from Lurkerton. He's at least apologetic about it. He's tunnelled pretty hard on Soda, but for good reasons that I agree with. Read 1054. I think he's maybe Town, but his lack of thorough content makes him a bit of a blank spot.

[Thor665]

On Day 3? Eugh!
Okay, but what's the deal with Soda - as a counter to Triangle he should be looking town, shouldn't that make him townish and cast Grimm down with the Sodomites? Who was on that wagon push even? ::looks:: Day 1 he looks to be all about Triangle, so Grimm did his Soda push on one of the later days...meh.

@Reck - what was up with the Sleepy alternate wagon there?

SodaSpirit17, Yates, Grimmjow, Pine, xRECKONERx
Not counting dead town this is the Triangle wagon. Let's be honest, somebody bussed. Why are we not lynching Grimm or Soda?

[xRECKONERx]

1. Force of Nature - likely town
3. Uphill - gut town, but PoE scum, leaning scum
4. Thor665 - bearded (actually, whiskered right now, but, hey)
5. SodaSpirit17 - no read whatsoever
6. Grimmjow - no read whatsoever
7. xRECKONERx - obv. town
8. Pine - strong town
10. Yates - obv. town
12. Furcolow - needs rope, but currently town for miller claim.

@Reck - I see you were defending Soda earlier when he was a counter wagon, is that still a town read? Any reasons besides counter to Triangle?

@Pine - what's the story with Grimm?

I don't see how I swapped to being obvtown all of a sudden. Mind expanding on that?

And... my experience with Soda is incredibly limited, but he's pretty derpymcderpyVI in every game I've seen him in... and the fact that he was a counterwagon to a scumlynch D1 makes me think he (along with Pine) are confirmedtown.

On Day 3? Eugh!
Okay, but what's the deal with Soda - as a counter to Triangle he should be looking town, shouldn't that make him townish and cast Grimm down with the Sodomites? Who was on that wagon push even? ::looks:: Day 1 he looks to be all about Triangle, so Grimm did his Soda push on one of the later days...meh.

@Reck - what was up with the Sleepy alternate wagon there?

SodaSpirit17, Yates, Grimmjow, Pine, xRECKONERx
Not counting dead town this is the Triangle wagon. Let's be honest, somebody bussed. Why are we not lynching Grimm or Soda?

Sleepywagon looked juicy because Sleepy fought pretty damn hard to keep triangle from getting lynched... which is something Sleepyscum could get away with, and he knows that. Admittedly it was wrong but it felt good at the time right after a slamdunk D1.

I want to maintain my town read on Grimm due to meta, but it's getting harder and harder... especially when I look at that wagon and realize "Shit,

somebody

probably bussed". I'd be betraying my reads if I went after Pine or Soda, and Yatesbus doesn't quite fit with me. If anyone was bussing, it was probably Grimmjow.

However... I think looking at those OFF the D1 triangle lynch is probably more fruitful. For awhile it was a close race between Triangle/whoever (I believe Pine was the end of day counterwagon) and scum probably could've/would've hedged their bets on the counterwagon.

[Pine]

I led the Sleepy wagon, Thor. I still think he's scum, and I keep rolling a natural 1 on my Will save to disbelieve the illusion of a Town flip on him.

[Furcolow]

I have time to catch up

[Furcolow]

I wouldn't mind lynching uphill based upon Per's seeking a different wagon

[Furcolow]

My read on Triangle:

Reckoner: Neither you nor FoN said Furcolow is definitely 100% scum, and even though your reasoning for accusing him was, in my opinion, weak, you still gave reasoning to support what you were saying.

Except what you implied regarding your thoughts about Furcolow wasn't as strong as he was saying.

Reck: To me, Grimm sounded more certain that Pine was town than you were of Furcolow being scum. I was also not entirely sure how serious you were being about attacking him over ellipses and decided you were being half-serious, half-not, whereas Grimm sounded entirely serious.

Same as above. Genuine response, no hint of nervousness, calm and transparent, yadda yadda yadda.

check it

[Furcolow]

vote: uphill

[Force of Nature]

I wouldn't mind lynching uphill based upon Per's seeking a different wagon

/confirm

What.

[xRECKONERx]

HE'S SCUM, RIGHT?

TELL ME HE'S SCUM

TELL ME SOMEBODY CAN ACTUALLY CONFIRM HE IS CAPABLE OF FAKING A MILLER CLAIM

DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN

[Furcolow]

in #302 FoN votes Soda for voting Triangle, and calls triangle's wagon scummy

unvote;
vote: fon

I must have Per confused with someone

[Furcolow]

I would still lynch Uphill

[Pine]

If Furc were capable of a fake Miller claim, he'd be capable of not being this obvscum. Either way he's Town.

[Thor665]

I don't see how I swapped to being obvtown all of a sudden. Mind expanding on that?

Um...your push on Triangle? Do you recall that - you're the one who said it was a strong pro town action.
I agree.

And... my experience with Soda is incredibly limited, but he's pretty derpymcderpyVI in every game I've seen him in... and the fact that he was a counterwagon to a scumlynch D1 makes me think he (along with Pine) are confirmedtown.

Pine moreso, but, yeah, I agree the Soda wagon is likely on town.

Sleepywagon looked juicy because Sleepy fought pretty damn hard to keep triangle from getting lynched... which is something Sleepyscum could get away with, and he knows that. Admittedly it was wrong but it felt good at the time right after a slamdunk D1.

You did Sleepywagon prior to Triangle flip though.
You got off Triangle to dork around with Sleepy - looking to get off your scumbuddy bus, y/n?

However... I think looking at those OFF the D1 triangle lynch is probably more fruitful. For awhile it was a close race between Triangle/whoever (I believe Pine was the end of day counterwagon) and scum probably could've/would've hedged their bets on the counterwagon.

Well, yeah, obviously there were scum on the counterwagon as well. Thats how those things work. That gives you;
Uphill, Furcolow, [Thor], Force of Nature.

Two of which are likely town, and one of which you're voting 'because' and another you're ignoring as it sits there with two of your town reads voting it...or do you think FoN is scum and I missed it?

Hint: I'm town too.

[Furcolow]

Except what you implied regarding your thoughts about Furcolow wasn't as strong as he was saying.

oh rly, triangle?

[Furcolow]

hahahaha

[Furcolow]

Triangle DEFINITELY had interactions with their scumbuddies
With the amount of players remaining, enough were mentioned that it is statistically impossible for this not to be the case, if it is simply 1 mafia.

I feel like Yates is a scumbuddy of Triangle if this is so, which I know it is.
Triangle was "suspicious" of yates, unvoting, then questioned people about why they would vote Yates
it felt fake

Soda is town given interactions with Triangle and being a counterwagon
I am not voting Soda today

There really wasn't a lot of interactions with Thor's slot, either. Just 1 simple question to kondi.

[Furcolow]

vote: yates

[Yates]

Triangle was "suspicious" of yates, unvoting, then questioned people about why they would vote Yates
it felt fake

WTF are you talking about? I voted once on day 1 and it was a Triangle lynch. Are you drunk?