Mini 1270 - Stargate SG-1 Mafia

[Timeater]

ravel you are starting to look mighty scummy

you need to impress me soon

[Fennin]

What part of Retros post strikes you as aggressive?

I have to admit that after having re-read his post, I doesn't look agressive. It was just how it felt at the moment because I was surprised.

[Citizen Karne]

Couple of big assumptions here, but..

I'm gonna assume that good characters from the show are all Town. And I'm also going to assume that Colonel Mitchell as one of the main characters is definitely in the game. No-one has yet come out and said that they are actually Mitchell as well, so right now I'm inclined to believe Timeater and mark him down as Town for now.

And it has got the discussion going, so it's all good I guess.

This would actually make the game breakable by flavor, which is not generally how the games are designed. It seems like you are encouraging that mindset for whatever reasons, when chances are it's not the case.

Unvote.
Vote:Jerobbo

This has been bothering. It seems like PeregrineV is trying to make something look scummy when there actually isn't much to go on, in fact Jerobbo's post is more likely a newb-tell than anything else. What peregrinev is trying to do here is very similar to what he is doing to CK, taking a null-tell and making it look suspicious.

Redacted could be lurking or he might actually have trouble making it online. Either way I think the wagon on him has got way ahead of its self and should be put on the back burner for a little bit.

unvote, vote: PeregrineV

Great point; PeregrineV definitely needs to be talked about more. I don't like [Redacted] plug though; what don't you like about that wagon, specifically?

Your vote on jerobbo, is the beginning of a pattern of behaviour that continues with your view on CKarne. Also, I don't see why your vote is still on Jerobbo and not ck.

Jerobo proposed an activity that generally does NOT benefit town, and more often benefits scum.

Karne announced his playstyle, presumably for the sake of discussion.

Would you like me to unvote him?

It seemed to me he made an honest mistake resulting from not playing many games on this site. You should unvote him, in my opinion, and do some actually scumhunting, like addressing the leading wagons, perhaps, instead of voting players for poor reasons, ignoring the rest of what is going on.

[109]: This is odd. Your anaysis is great and I agree with a bunch of stuff and then all of a sudden you throw down an FoS that I don't think fits your analysis and that I don't agree with at all. Oh okay you get to it in your second paragraph. Overall good post, high in value.

You're right; I see now that post was organized poorly. That is a result of some restructuring of the post where I moved a large portion of the Timeater case after the FoS on Vala but forgot to move the FoS itself.

Citizen Karne: 6

- Really good analysis, this guy will be a valuable asset to town even if he's scum. The thing that troubles me is that I feel like a lot of your play has been play style specific rather than game specific. For instance, you talking about the fact that you don't place your vote and then saying that you read people who don't like that as scum is based solely on your play style. You would do the same in another game too. Some theory this is great but you have no real way of getting us to follow you just because you say so when it relates to only you. Also, I think your playstyle choice to opt out of voting has absolutely zero town upside.

I believe you are misinterpreting what I said. It's fine if people don't like my playstyle - you're right, it's a nulltell. But PeregrineV claimed to be suspicious of me because of my playstyle, which I interpret as him saying he finds me more likely to be scum than town because of how I choose to play the game, which doesn't make much sense, now does it?

Overall, great post by Retrospective, although I disagree about Fennin. Nameclaiming that early caught me off-guard as well, but no one seems to have mentioned this at all. I think Fennin just was unsure about how to react to such a ploy. That kind of action is a nulltell, but in my mind deducing it is a nulltell is not as easy as others. That play can look scummy on the surface instinctively, because it doesn't make a lot of sense, but once you think about it more, it is obviously a nulltell. I'd chalk up Fennin's reaction more of being caught off-guard rather than scum doing damage control.

They aren't. Sorry, I've never replaced in before and I figured that'd be easier to read than me quoting but I guess not.

I found it very helpful, actually.

I would literally have to post like CK every single time I posted for this to be possible.

I feel as though a lot of people find my posting style pro-town and helpful. #justsayin'

Your post as a whole is pretty good, although I don't like the Vala case. I don't see why someone as scum wouldn't jump to defend someone to get a quick ally, especially if their point was obviously not well thought out. I also am not familiar with the term "dick-sucky", so you'll have to explain to me what you mean there before I can respond to you scumlink allegations about PeregrineV and myself.

When I tunnel it may look single-minded but its just a tool to collect more stimuli.

I don't like it when people try and make excuses of this nature for scummy play.

move your vote, ravel

I'm confused, do you think Retrospective is scummy or not?

I feel as though this argument supports Timeater's play as representing a nulltell, as opposed to a towntell. What do you think of that assertion?

I fail to see how. I still think he's very town and his posts post-claim haven't changed that. You're not one of those people that gets all butthurt about town that focus on townhunting rather than scumhunting early on, are you?

Not at all; I just believe you are drawing too much from it.

Ok people, how do we feel about the [Redacted] lynch? I'm (of course) fine with hammering, but I'd like to know what people think about how much more time we have before the deadline. Do we want to go for it now and ask him to claim?

[Retrospective]

I'm looking into my weaker reads, starting with who I think is the most scummy (PereV). I will be looking into my nulls in the post following this. (Probably end up being sometime late tonight or early tomorrow morning) I will say that I don't like malthusis' last post at all so I'll be looking deeper into his play next.

Note: I'm doing this in quote blocks to keep people from yelling at me again. :<

Couple of big assumptions here, but..

I'm gonna assume that good characters from the show are all Town. And I'm also going to assume that Colonel Mitchell as one of the main characters is definitely in the game. No-one has yet come out and said that they are actually Mitchell as well, so right now I'm inclined to believe Timeater and mark him down as Town for now.

And it has got the discussion going, so it's all good I guess.

This would actually make the game breakable by flavor, which is not generally how the games are designed. It seems like you are encouraging that mindset for whatever reasons, when chances are it's not the case.

Unvote.
Vote:Jerobbo

This vote is absolutely horrid. It's outside of the RVS and the exactly the opposite conclusion everyone should have recieved from jerobbo's 54. PereV ignores all the good analysis and the fact that this is the first person who truly explained why Time's claim was a towntell. Instead, he focuses on the fact that this would somehow break the game through flavor. How is this even a scumtell? Apparently it's a strong enough one to keep this vote throughout this game. Jerobbo was using this to semi-clear someone so is he doing it because he's scum whiteknighting or is it scum trying to protect his super town partner? I can go on and on as to why 54 screams town but I don't think I need to.

Redacted answered it fairly well.

Out of the Star Trek, Original Series Mafia, who is scum?

Capt. Kirk
Spock
McCoy
Scotty
Sulu
Checkov
Uhura
Nurse Chapel
Harcourt "Harry" Fenton Mudd
Yoeman Rand
Ambassador Sarek
Redshirt #1 Pat
Redshirt #2 Leslie

For flavor purposes, any could be scum.

Also, name claims are generally bad idea overall due to role interactions. If player A's role is to kill John Doe, and Player B admits to being John Doe, then player A will try to kill player B. If both players are also town, too bad for them. And while this usually happens only in large games, trying to outguess the mod is never a good idea.

Now I actually gave this post towncred when I first read it. Originally I viewed it as PereV explaining how flavor works in games and figured there wouldn't be much reason for scum to go into so much detail to help a new players understand how to play the setup better. Although, I saw this as IIoA and skipped it when I was catching up. Basically the whole reason behind this post is not to help town but rather to explain why Time's nameclaim isn't a towntell and that jerobbo is somehow still scum for saying it was. I see this as pretty scummy too considering he's still pushing on my two highest town reads.

Lynch Redacted.

If he isn't scum, you can shoot me/lynch me/poop on me/etc

@Anxiety - Your excuse in 58 is garbage. Saying that voting for me would be a "redundant waste of resources" is just nonsense. I had what, one serious vote on me? Its just a bullshit excuse because Fennin legitimately called you out for a scummy double-talk post. "These posts read to me like "oh shit RVS is over, I need to come up with something meaningful to say quick" doesn't make any sense for reasons I've already stated. The first quote happened before my nameclaim. The second quote WAS my nameclaim. The third quote was me attacking Fennin for something I didn't like. If it is as you say, and "RVS is a myth/etc" why the emphasis on using it as information for me being scum? That, plus your recent convenient vote shift to me bumps you in my mind to about 75% probscum.

So we can flip this? Lynch you, and if you are town then shoot/lynch/poop on Redacted?

I don't like this at all. However, I don't really have anything I can really say about it besides irks my gut after following the above quoted posts. At this point in the game PereV has posted four times. Three of which underrmine Time's influence but don't come out and say anything against him. Instead, he's voting the person who made the strongest pro-time case.

you think im scum?

Don't know yet, but making absolute statements like that will be viewed with a skeptical eye, if you know what I mean. And craplogic will be called on, if I catch it.

I think time caught on to the negative vibe and asked. This is scummy because the tone behind all previous posts are very anti-time and when asked he doesn't know yet. Makes some 'I'll catch your craplogic threat' that is super empty considering I think most of Time's logic this game has been exaggerated imensely and a lot of it is faulty. (Sorry Time)

Absolutely nothing stands out after this except for the fact that PereV asked anxiety for reads even though he's yet to give any finite ones himself.

Sorry if this was too long, I tried to keep it short. In any case, I think there's more than enough here to warrant a vote. UNVOTE: , VOTE: PereV Also anyone who was following my logic on Fennin's early posts should notice that this is extremley similar just extended throughout the entire game rather than one post. The fact that he has not openly FoS'd Time is worrysome as well as the fact that he is still voting Jerobbo. Something I noticed that supports the Redacted wagon even though I don't want to: PereV hasn't said a word about any of the business with Redacted despite him being main focus of this game. I'm serious, go look. He avoids the most popular topic in this game completely. There's a tell for this I'll explain if you'd like. Anyway, it makes their scum team very likely. And even if Redacted is town, this is still a scumtell.

[Ravel]

Unvote

I don't see the point of not unvoting. I find his posts helpful.

[Timeater]

i havent even really presented logic

thats not what my reads are based on

[Timeater]

also tunneling isnt scummy

what a novice stance

[Citizen Karne]

also tunneling isnt scummy

what a novice stance

I consider tunneling to be as severe as ignoring other interactions going on, only to focus on one player. Do you think ignoring information is a townie thing to do?

[Workdawg]

Timeater

- Can you respond to this please? http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3599332

[Timeater]

tunneling is a tool for catching scum. just like hammer gambits, bad wagons, etc.

there is good tunneling and bad tunneling. we may have different definitions. whats with the loaded questions ck, you sure like em

[Timeater]

Timeater

- Can you respond to this please? http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3599332

i cant lynch him all by my lonesome. i think its obvious i still want him lynched?

[Timeater]

redacted is L-1 btw

lynch dat scumbag

[Retrospective]

Time, was the tunneling comment directed at my case on PereV? What do you think about it?

[Timeater]

ck

and i think if you hammer redacted you can lynch whoever you want tomorrow, pv included

[Retrospective]

Hammer before even a claim? There is absolutely no reason for you to be as sure as you are and it's becoming wearisome. Also this lynch is so popular that you wont even be needed my vote...

[Timeater]

lolwat

ive fought tooth and nail for this wagon

promoting your weak pv counterwagon instead of lynching your admitted second highest scumread for some pretty blase reasons isnt making you look great

[smargaret]

Votecount 1.8

1. PeregrineV - 1 (4nxi3ty)
2. Felmix - 0
3. Timeater - 1 ([Redacted])
4. Workdawg - 0
5. Ravel - 0
6. Vala Mal Doran - 0
7. Retrospective - 0
8. malthusis - 0
9. [Redacted] - 6 (Fennin, Vala Mal Doran, Timeater, Felmix, jerobbo, malthusis)
10. Fennin - 1 (Retrospective)
11. 4nxi3ty - 1 (Workdawg)
12. jerobbo - 1 (PeregrineV)
13. Citizen Karne - 0

Not Voting - 2 ( Citizen Karne, Ravel)

[Timeater]

nice vote placement retro

[Retrospective]

I'm not really interested how it makes me look, especially how it makes me look in your eyes. If you think I'm scum for not blindly sheeping like the rest, I invite you to try to convince others to hop on that wagon. I've made my position on Redacted exceptionally clear. Yeah, he comes out on the scum side of the margin but he is no where near scummy enough to lynch yet. I wont deny that you've faught tooth and nail for this lynch. You've just replaced logic and reason with 'omg follow me'. I'm kind of hoping he ends up flipping town just to put you in your place and dissuade your sheep from following further.

[Retrospective]

Mod, you have my vote wrong. I'm currently voting PereV.

[Timeater]

lol

[PeregrineV]

Sorry I'm behind, will have to catch up.

[Fennin]

Timeater

Who's going to hammer Redacted at this point, before he even has the chance to claim? Scum wouldn't dare be under the spotlights so early, so I think scum is already on the wagon regardless of Redacted's alignment. I wouldn't be surprised if there is severe bussing going on against Redacted.

[jerobbo]

Don't think anyone will hammer before he claims - we have plenty of time til deadline.

[4nxi3ty]

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