Mini 1270 - Stargate SG-1 Mafia

[Timeater]

quicklynching is fine

god this game is so bla

[Workdawg]

Timeater

- Can you respond to this please? http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3599332

i cant lynch him all by my lonesome. i think its obvious i still want him lynched?

Indeed you cannot. However, the confusing thing about that quote is the following:

Redacted

The read is further confirmed.

He is it playing it very low-key, refusing to acknowledge several valid points brought against him. Covering himself with a blanket defense. He is still clinging to the idea that my nameclaim was produced with the goal of being a "townie-looking" thing to do while in the same post he brings up the VMD-tunnel bizarrely without an apparent point. But oh, he was just looking for a wagon. The misreps were nothing of consequence. It aint no thang. But even with all that, I am troubled by a few things. Chief being "he's basically just an awful uncooperative Fate." and "oppertunistic" and "Why do you think I'm scum, who do you think is town?" - looking for further Redacted analysis by other players as

my super-scum read is starting to fracture a little...

This is what I was looking for clarification on, if you don't mind.

[Vala Mal Doran]

woah two pages already


I'm v/la today/tomorrow - friend is over from out of town.

[Retrospective]

Time, I think you should try EM. People quicklynch all the time and the loudest person is usually who everyone follows. It kind of seems right up your alley.

[Timeater]

seem pretty intent on the character assassination eh

maybe if you had some charisma like slaxx or even the soben hydra in their quiet, powerful way - the PV wagon (which i dont have much against) would be l-1
anyway your butthurt over my playstyle is a nice tell, thanks

[Citizen Karne]

I'd be much happier with a PeregrineV lynch, but I am willing to hammer (as always). For future reference, you don't need to worry about asking me to hammer, Timeater. If the town is behind it, I will hammer anyone they support, including a town read of mine or even myself. Now for the matter at hand. I did not realize [Redacted] was at L-1. I am willing to hammer, but not without a claim. People on the [Redacted] lynch, who are your number two targets, out of curiosity? [Redacted] is my number three, after PeregrineV and Vala. I'll trust the Timeater meta for now and chalk up most of what I see from him that irks me as a

massive

playstyle difference.

[Retrospective]

Why do you have a scum read on Vala?

[Retrospective]

Can you wait to hammer until we here PereV's response to my case as well?

[Workdawg]

Timeater, please respond to my query. Do I have to ask twice every time?

[Timeater]

Isnt it obvious dawg? He seems a little derpish. That confused my read a bit. I wanted to get some more insight from other players.

If I'm ever scum (literally never drawn scum on mafiascum, sadface) I am SO gonna play the derp card and start intentionally mispelling words when I get some pressure on me. I'm not saying Redacted did that, not at all. He's scum for other reasons - massive iioa, misreps (though they shouldn't be that important, evasion, lying, flip-flopping, making bad cases, and massive filler.

[Retrospective]

Okay, show me where he did each of these things and I"ll hammer him: Massive IIoA, evasion, lying, flip-flopping, bad caes, massive filler.

You just described PereV's play. I'm serious, even the IIoA.

[Timeater]

Yes as those are generally scummy things. You deny Redacted didn't also?

I'm not gonna play tit for tat with you. I dont need to. Your obvtown. I can wait for the claim. I'm not that impatient.

[Timeater]

also do those things*

[Retrospective]

Isnt it obvious dawg? He seems a little derpish. That confused my read a bit. I wanted to get some more insight from other players.

If I'm ever scum (literally never drawn scum on mafiascum, sadface) I am SO gonna play the derp card and start intentionally mispelling words when I get some pressure on me.

I'm not saying Redacted did that, not at all. He's scum for other reasons - massive iioa, misreps (though they shouldn't be that important, evasion, lying, flip-flopping, making bad cases, and massive filler.

This is what I'm talking about. You can't make all these baseless generalities and then say you wont play tit for tat with me when I ask you to put your money where your mouth is. You literally just said Redacted did all of the above. I want to see where. The reason why you don't want to play tit for tat now is because you know that he didn't do all of these and you only said it to try to get someone to hammer. The thing that is so frustrating about this is your play is horridly anti-town. And there's no way scum would ever shoot someone like you because chances are you'll win the game for them later.

I'm trying to show everyone that we have absolutely no reason to rush this lynch and because there's nothing incriminating enough to lynch him. It's not like if we don't lynch him today we can't lynch him in a couple days (rl days not game days). You are literally trying to bullshit your way into getting us to shoot ourselves in the foot.

[Timeater]

lol

sorry i dont have time to explain

[Retrospective]

I'm appealing more to the other people on the wagon. I didn't expect you to play rationally when I replaced into this game. I figured that people would disregard your reads like they did last game and that's really what I'm after atm. I want people to actually vote someone because they think they're scummy and not just follow who they think is town.

[Timeater]

if people dont want to vote for redacted, by all means, dont vote redacted

but he is claiming

that is happening

[4nxi3ty]

*looks at pv wagon*
*looks at town*
*looks at watch*

*looks for bus*
*looks for scum*
*sees nothing*

*pushes town off redacted planet through stargate onto pv planet*

[Timeater]

also yeah, that fennin comment where he says he thinks people are bussing I am not seeing that at all, quite the opposite

[Workdawg]

Isnt it obvious dawg? He seems a little derpish. That confused my read a bit. I wanted to get some more insight from other players.

This doesn't really explain how you managed to "confirm" your read and have it "start to fracture" at the same time. Either your read became stronger, or it got weaker. You described a bunch of stuff that would make me think he is being more scummy, but then your last sentence is the opposite.

Also, I agree with Retro here. You've accused him of A LOT more than I saw, so let's see it. I'm starting to get VERY weary of your play, Timeater. That said, I'm not supporting a lynch on PV yet.

[4nxi3ty]

*looks at redacted planet*
*sees no alien counter-resistance*

*looks at pv planet*
*sees one friendly force*

*looks at bus with 'planet pv' written on the side*
*sees no alien forces*

[Timeater]

things aren't always black and white. lets say instead of 100% lets say i'm now 99%? happy?

if redacted isn't scum, sure thats fine whatever I'll shut up for awhile and let this jellyfish of a town try to get a few lynches. I'm not going to spend an hour on each post like CK when I can just belt stream of conciousness posts like these that take me a few seconds when i'm busy doing other things.

*looks at anxiety*
*dropkicks him*

[Felmix]

Hm. I'd be satisfied with a PeregrineV lynch - a

lot

of his posting smells of active lurking/IIoA, and in retrospect he's gotten away with a pretty weak vote for too long. In general, I'd actually like something akin to a top 3 suspects from a bunch of people (I suppose anyone who hasn't recently said something along those lines) - I don't really know what people like Fennin are thinking. As optimistic as I am, most Day 1 lynches do flip town, so we should try to get information that's useful tomorrow.

Also, Anxiety's point is well made: scum certainly don't seem interested in preventing this lynch. It's entirely possible they're just resigned to it, I guess, but I'll freely admit that it makes me uneasy.

Given that the deadline is the 25th and the vote count, I do think Redacted should claim fairly soon.

I'm not really interested how it makes me look, especially how it makes me look in your eyes. If you think I'm scum for not blindly sheeping like the rest, I invite you to try to convince others to hop on that wagon. I've made my position on Redacted exceptionally clear. Yeah, he comes out on the scum side of the margin but he is no where near scummy enough to lynch yet. I wont deny that you've faught tooth and nail for this lynch. You've just replaced logic and reason with 'omg follow me'. I'm kind of hoping he ends up flipping town just to put you in your place and dissuade your sheep from following further.

For what it's worth, I agree with this; from my point of view, Timeater name-claimed and then largely based his reads based on reactions to that, with Redacted's pretty logical disagreement leading to OMGOBVSCUM and VMD's dubiously-reasoned support rewarded with OMGOBVTOWN respectively. Timeater's read on everyone else seems (if I remember correctly) to correlate exactly with how townish they thought the nameclaim was. Now, I daresay I had my own reasons for being on this wagon, and I'm amenable to being argued away from it.

The forcing name claim part was how he was presenting his name claim as being a very town thing to do, while playing aggressively and his whole posts spree at VMD about outing her main.

I believe I've already said that he wasn't playing very aggressively when you made that post. As to his "spree", well:

Who's your main?

Meta isnt everything but its helpful. Do you value the secrecy of the alt that much? Does it matter a lot to you?

is all he posted. You calling this is "posting spree" is pretty clearly another example of you exaggerating; this isn't helping.

I was out to make him sound like a good lynch target because I had a scumread on him and wanted to get a bandwagon started.

This is at the top of page 3? Let's be slightly more blunt: you were out to make him sound scummy. It is not okay to do that in general, because being misleading is scummy, but doubly so when your read must be extremely weak. If you thought he was scummy, okay, but why did you feel the need to do more than lay out your reasoning and let people decide for themselves?

I'm sure I intended something else, but I can't remember what. Oh well.

~ Elmo

[smargaret]

Votecount 1.9

1. PeregrineV - 2 (4nxi3ty, Retrospective)
2. Felmix - 0
3. Timeater - 1 ([Redacted])
4. Workdawg - 0
5. Ravel - 0
6. Vala Mal Doran - 0
7. Retrospective - 0
8. malthusis - 0
9. [Redacted] - 6 (Fennin, Vala Mal Doran, Timeater, Felmix, jerobbo, malthusis)
10. Fennin - 0
11. 4nxi3ty - 1 (Workdawg)
12. jerobbo - 1 (PeregrineV)
13. Citizen Karne - 0

Not Voting - 2 (Citizen Karne, Ravel)

Votes to Lynch: 7
Deadline: 12:00 pm est on Friday, Nov 25

[Redacted]

Pretty sure it won't change anything but;

Name: George Hammond.

Role: Vanilla Townie.

Flavour: I've retired from SGC/Homeworld Security thus have no role.

I'd appreciate if the consensus is to lynch me that you guys give me a day so that I can dump all my notes / reads in thread tomorrow night when I'm on.