Open 354: Twin Trap in Morecambe (Concluded)

[Johhog]

VOTECOUNT 1.11

Jora

: Guy_Named_Riggs

(L-4)

kuribo

: Sampson

(L-4)

Adc75 (2)

: kuribo, don_johnson

(L-3)

Sampson (2)

: JonWJ007, Jora

(L-3)

Guy_Named_Riggs (2)

: Adc75, daftnarwhal

(L-3)

Not voting

: Thomas

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2011-11-25 04:36:09)

Calm down, kuribo and Thomas.

[Adc75]

Since GNR couldn't resist another opportunity to list someone else as town (2 people this time!), I figured now is a good time to flesh out my case on him.

In post #, GNR called J town. After being specifically asked by in #45 J who he finds scummy, GNR posts in #46 to be unable to make good reads early in games. In 129, he claims to have no scum reads, only null (even though he said J was town outright. Then he said "I do think Daft is scum though". He then double posts and says he meant Daft was town, again for superficial reasons. "The way he's been questioning and posting, also pretty much a gut read")

When I asked him to direct town to the posts that made him think Daft is town, he said he couldn't because it's a gut read. Even though he said it was the way he was questioning and posting as much as it was gut. This was in #151.

Then, as soon as a possible link to him and Narwhal is made, he puts an FoS on Narwhal with more BS reasoning in #196. Neither one of them posted anything of content in the meantime.

Then he calls Kuribo and Thomas both town in his most recent post. That's 4 town reads, all of which made absolutely no sense, and no scumreads aside from his goofy FoS on Daft.


That's all he's done all game. He hasn't done anything except try to appear town without actually doing anything a townie is supposed to do. He's completely non-committal on everything. Even his fake townreads are wishy-washy! All he's done so far is give the town a whole bunch of nothing, and then disappeared when he was starting to accumulate votes.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

What makes you so sure that my town-reads are fake?

[Adc75]

The fact that all of them are baseless.

[kuribo]

hmmmmm

[kuribo]

Adc, I take back everything I said about you being scum

[kuribo]

Unvote

for now

in the meantime, I want to know why Thomas felt the need to defend Jora?

[kuribo]

and I agree with you, Adc, GNR seems to be just "going with the flow" in terms of who he suspects and who he doesn't

[quote="In post 276,
Then, as soon as a possible link to him and Narwhal is made, he puts an FoS on Narwhal with more BS reasoning in #196. Neither one of them posted anything of content in the meantime. [/quote]

this right here is classic effing (language toned down for the benefit of those mewling little nancyboys among you) scum move... BS reasoning plus an FoS instead of a vote

and Adc, if you're wondering why I'm leaning toward you being town now, I'm just gonna say there's something about the way you responded to my interaction with Thomas that fits with town's reactions to my playstyle


i'll TRY and keep the f-bombs to a minimum, but it's just the way I talk when i play mafia. Frankly, my language so far has been pretty tame. i mean, hell, i didn't even call anyone a "clown molester" or make allusions to them being autistic!

[kuribo]

hell, i didn't even get a chance to ask someone to put down the crackpipe!

[Johhog]

Prodding JonWJ007 and daftnarwhal.

[kuribo]

man, i swear, if i ever played in a game that Jon was in where he didn't get replaced / lurkaderp, i'd die of shock

[daftnarwhal]

Kuribo, why do you find Adc to be town now? I only saw him react by telling you to chill out and he thinks the person you are arguing with is suspicious? And why did you then tell Adc that you agree with him?

[kuribo]

Kuribo, why do you find Adc to be town now?

ohhh no you don't. I'm just going to leave it at I saw him do something that town tend to do in games with me. If I go around telling everyone what that is, next thing you know, scum's doing it too and I've completely fucked my metagame.

[kuribo]

And why did you then tell Adc that you agree with him?

beeeeeeeecause GNR *is* going with the flow, and just because I found Adc suspicious doesn't change that fact

[Thomas]

Actually, if anything this argument had made me suspicious of Thomas. I only said Kuribo needs to chill because he's screaming and cursing every other word.

Explain this.

in the meantime, I want to know why Thomas felt the need to defend Jora?

I did not defend Jora, I was proving that your "scum tell" is a null tell.

[kuribo]

Explain this.

hmmm, let's see, "kuribo saw Adc exhibit pro-town behavior, and now I MUST know what that is so that I can do it too!" yeah, I don't think so

and besides, it's not just that. Adc seems to be actively scumhunting, unlike some of you who aren't scumhunting, and are just feebly dodging / parrying other peoples' attacks.

his playstyle is more pro-town because he is playing as if he's trying to find scum, not as if he's trying to constantly defend himself.

did I think he was scummy? sure. but hell, i'm man enough to admit when I was wrong.

[kuribo]

I did not defend Jora, I was proving that your "scum tell" is a null tell.

jesus effing christ. this again?


i never said it was a scum tell. i said it was something that scum does to explain scummy behavior, and he said that i was lying.

and then you backed him up, and i decided that both of you were on drugs.

[Jora]

Sorry for flaking, IRL my notebook and door lock are broken. Live in Syberia is suck.

From the brief overlook, this VI thing from Guy_Named_Riggs has just gone too far. I will vote him if it is needed.

[kuribo]

oh, by the way

for those of you that wanted examples of scum covering up scummy behavior by saying "oh, i was just reaction fishing"


here's one from a game that just finished this morning, along with my response from when i replaced in later
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3567412

[Johhog]

Prodding Sampson.

[don_johnson]

during that adc/gnr exchnange i started thinking "one of them is likely scum". i was on the adc scum/gnr VI kick, but i'm wondering is gnr is the scum. joras latest post looks like "i'll bus if i have to."

unvote

kuribo: as an alliance, i say we lycnh this GNR fellow. i haven't seen much scummy from others, sampson maybe earlier, but he seems to earnestly believe what he's been posting. jora is a tough read because of his persistence as well, but his complacence to gnr just gives me the willies.

[kuribo]

lemme look over GNR again. hell, it took me about 5 pages before I realized who they meant when they were saying GNR

I'm not liking Jora, but i think part of the problem is that English isn't the first language for some of these folks

[kuribo]

okay let's look at GNR again

[kuribo]

So, I say narwhal is town. How is that bad? I was simply stating what I thought at the time. However, the fact that I haven't seen a post from narwhal lately makes me think that he's coasting because some thinks he town

FoS Narwhal

better catch up will be made later, but I have so much homework to catch up on

what the hell was this? either he's scum or he's not.

Why an FOS? Why not a vote?

[kuribo]

Sorry for not posting, I didn't realize that I haven't posted in a while.
The problem I see right now is that this is probably a t vs t argument. I'd have to agree with adc, you do need to chill out a little kuribo.
Can we just stop all this arguing? With this, scum is able to slip under the radar because you guys are going back and foth and everyone is focusing on the argumnet, not on scum.

slipping under the radar? like you've been doing?


and how do you know if either of us are scum? how do you know it's not town vs. scum?

if that's the case, the argument isn't a distraction at all, but the inevitable that occurs when town catches himself a scum