Cyclic Experimentation Set x02 - [Game Over]

[Junpei]

You think that it is more likely that Stringer was trying to prevent a lynch on Toog at page 5 than it is that Stringer was rolefishing?

[Bunnylover]

I'm kinda still alive.
Its Thanksgiving week and I work in a meat department, so I'm having to work every day.
Soonest I can read would be Thursday.

[warriormode]

Prod noted.

I know deadline is catching up and it seems like we haven't gotten very far in discussion.
SO here's some valuable info.

Claim: watcher N1, Watched Sinestro, and I can tell you Stringer Bell visited him

This is probably why Stringer bell died last night.
If So, this means that Sinestro is NOT Eruci.
But I don't think he's scumbuddies with stringer either.
Im curious as to what he could be.

Unvote,
Vote: Sinestro

[Junpei]

A guilty report on Sinestro? Why didn't you out this earlier?

vote sinestro

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 2x7 ::

RedCoyote (6) -

FourseenCircumstance, Kdub, MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV, projectmatt, springlullaby

PeregrineV (3) -

Ghostlin, RedCoyote, Toogeloo

I Am Innocent (2) -

Sinestro, Magister Ludi

Sinestro (2) -

warriormode, Junpei

Toogeloo (1) -

SlySly

FourseenCircumstance (1) -

chkflip

MagnaofIllusion (1) -

implosion

Not Voting (3) -

EtherealCookie, Bunnylover, I Am Innocent

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is in (expired on 2011-11-28 21:41:47).

Under Replacement: implosion, EtherealCookie.

[Ghostlin]

A guilty on Sinestro? Well then, that's pretty obvious.

Unvote. Vote: Sinestro

Guilt by determinable action (cop reports, stalking)>Guilt by scummy action that hurts town. For now.

[FourseenCircumstance]

Well, better late than never on that Guilty.

vote: sinestro

[Toogeloo]

Why did you watch Sinestro?

I'm getting a bad vibe at the last 5 posts (not counting the host's post). Scum in one of those posts at least (lean: Junpei).

Scum reads:

PV, Junpei, wazzatron/IAI, MoI, Bunny (in that order). Warrior gets a stiff looking at as well because I really don't get the Sinestro watch atm.

[Junpei]

Toogeloo... do you understand the definition of a guilty report?

Oh wait; could warrior be scum who passed an ability to another scumpal, and is trying to bring a mislynch down with him? Honestly, even if that were true, I'd still lynch Sinestro because 1 for 1 is a good deal, and I don't see how we can differentiate between warrior who passed to scumpal and warrior who has a guilty report. We should assume the latter.

Also yeah, at least scum is in those posts, I mean, other than me we got Fourseen and Ghostlin; if they are both town I'd be very surprised. But, I think that town would also vote the guilty, and that to assume that at some arbitrary number X of votes on the wagon, there are scum within X, is ridiculous.

[Toogeloo]

I'm not questioning the whole thing all together, but scum is probably already on that wagon for sure. Watching Sinestro is just "what the fuck?" from what I can tell. I want to know why he chose Sinestro. Also, why does warrior not mention this when the day started and vote for Sinestro right away?

[Junpei]

I have no clue why he wouldn't do that, which is why I asked. But if not everyone has had a chance to even react to this guilty, how can you be sure that it is not by chance that the first 4 people to visit the thread after warrior posted are not all town? If that is the case, then it is quite plausible to think that all voting Sinestro are town. There is nothing that makes it seem like scum are more likely to have viewed the thread the past 108 minutes and voted for Sinestro.

[Magister Ludi]

Toog asks the right questions in 1409. I want them answered as well.

[Kdub]

No reason for warrior to lie here, but something's bothering me. Why would SB have used the hide power in the first place if he is scum? What does he gain from it? It's not like he was a very likely vig target (presumably a vig would have let him live to see if he could prove his power) and if there is another scum group, they wouldn't shoot at a claimed hider because they would miss if he hid. I guess maybe the hider was compulsive, which is one way to deal with scum getting certain powers that wouldn't seen so useful for them.

Also, if he did die by hiding behind Sinestro, then his buddies knew Sinestro was scum at the start of the day. Did anyone indicate suspicion of Sinestro at the start of D2 who wasn't on him D1?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sinestro

[Ghostlin]

My thoughts in order:

1) Pretty obvious here. Unless someone steps forward and says they stopped Sinestro from dying, Sinestro is scum regardless. We all should probably jump on the lynch.

2) I want to hear the reasons why warrior'd watch Stringer, who was a scum suspect and hardly the person you'd expect to be watching to see who'd they visit. I may have answered my own question, however. Still want to hear the reason.

3) Junpei, if you think Watcher was passed to Scum during Night 1, then we'll have a dead scum body the beginning of Day 3--otherwise the person who received Watcher would be confirmed town.

[Ghostlin]

My thoughts in order:

1) Pretty obvious here. Unless someone steps forward and says they stopped Sinestro from dying, Sinestro is scum regardless. We all should probably jump on the lynch.

2) I want to hear the reasons why warrior'd watch Stringer, who was a scum suspect and hardly the person you'd expect to be watching to see who'd they visit. I may have answered my own question, however. Still want to hear the reason.

3) Junpei, if you think Watcher was passed to Scum during Night 1, then we'll have a dead scum body the beginning of Day 3--otherwise the person who received Watcher would be confirmed town.

Three only applies if and only if you believe Warrior's scum, it should be noted.

[I Am Innocent]

Lol @ Junpei just logic pwning Crypto.
That being said, Diddin’s vote did seem opportunistic; he contributed nothing new to that wagon that hadn’t already been said, and just jumped on. At the same time, I’m not liking the vibe I’m getting from crypto either. Both of their reasoning seems somewhat poor. Crypto’s vote has little backing to it, and he even admits he has no strong logic behind it. Gut feelings are bad indicators and show poor effort placed in.
Tl;dr; scum bussing
FourSeen seems to be VI. His reasoning is terrible. He is either scum or really dumb townie, anyways.
@ Stringer Bell
You’re not off the hook. Who else do you think is suspicious? You can’t have just gotten ONE PERSON from this entire thread. Nice job hopping onto that wagon gaining steam, by the way.
Also, what the hell is wrong with Diddin? Town read from Fourseen?
Also scumbuddies.

Unvote

Vote: FourseenCircumstance

Feels like scum coaching in the middle of this post to Stringer Bell.

[I Am Innocent]

EBWOP, just looked at my voting history and saw EC has a vote on SB, actually the first vote SB.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Welcome IamInnocent …

Note up front – I have seen Warrior’s claim of an effective Guilty on Sinestro. I have some questions for him in this very catchup.

PLEASE DO NOT QUICK-LYNCH SINESTRO. WE NEED TO GET SOME REPLACEMENTS FILLED.

Currently kunkstar is working on two empty slots. There is no Town advantage to have those slots empty going into Night. Firstly it deprives us of time to read said slots. Second if said slots hold any powers they could be lost to the Void via the lack of Cycling choice. That’s something we can’t afford at this stage with multiple Powers already idled.

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No reason for warrior to lie here, but something's bothering me. Why would SB have used the hide power in the first place if he is scum? What does he gain from it? It's not like he was a very likely vig target (presumably a vig would have let him live to see if he could prove his power) and if there is another scum group, they wouldn't shoot at a claimed hider because they would miss if he hid. I guess maybe the hider was compulsive, which is one way to deal with scum getting certain powers that wouldn't seen so useful for them.

Actually the Hider that Stringer claimed (so, take it with a grain of salt since he is scum) would have prevented all direct actions against him including Cop / Track actions. Very much a solid reason for scum Stringer to want to use it in that case.

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I know deadline is catching up and it seems like we haven't gotten very far in discussion.
SO here's some valuable info.
Claim: watcher N1, Watched Sinestro, and I can tell you Stringer Bell visited him

Please explain in your own words why you chose to wait to reveal this information. And also please explain why you thought Sinestro was a good watch choice. Thanks!

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Still waiting for RedCoyote to explain the disconnect in his play whereby he calls anything Day 1 outside the end of Day wagons useless but doesn’t give an opinions on what those end of Day wagons say about who is scum.

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I do disagree that I fit your heading. I didn't start pushing a Junpei lynch when things got tight, and that is not what your list infers. My support for a Junpei lynch yesterday is very similar to my support for a Toogeloo lynch today. I stated my reason, voted, and nothing came up to make me change my stance, just like today with Toogeloo.

This is semantic quibbling. You are trying to shift the focus away from the facts by arguing about minor and inconsequential issues.

You say that you started pushing the Junpei wagon before Stringer was under fire. That doesn’t matter in the scheme of why I find your positioning suspicious. You continued to vote (and ostensibly support) the Junpei wagon all during the time when Stringer was a counterwagon and under fire. That’s behavior I expect from a possible partner.

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I was seeing if Fourseen would be lynched today, then I caught Implosion. There is other stuff between that, but those are the highlights. You don't want to lynch Ghostlin?

I think that RedCoyote is scum, but, you don't want to lynch Ghostlin? I think Ghostlin is quite scummy as well, and considering that we have the highest post counts and your wonderful (unless you're going to verbally assault your own case as well) case, it shouldn't be too hard rallying votes when the highest wagon after you change your vote has just 4 in 10 days.

Implosion isn't dying, I'd rather kill Ghostlin to RedCoyote. I'm positive you feel the same.

Yes, I clearly want to lynch Ghostlin. I think that pretty abundantly clear from my play.

Here’s my question – why right then when RedCoyote’s wagon had built impressive steam? I spent the first part of this day trying to rally support to lynch Ghostlin. You were no-where to be seen. I’m not going to just idle my vote on a player who I think is scum this early in a Large Theme game and not move it (which is horribly Anti-Town).

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That being said; you outline my point. You sound beestung over Toog and PV, but you're not voting for either. L-8 isn't a huge amount of votes for either wagon for players who have made blantant anti-town moves...and you're all voting for RC. I guess I can appreciate a scum wagon with nuance versus lynching people for play that you could WIFOMly argue scum wouldn't do, but I don't think the scum will take claiming seriously if we don't kill or lynch PV. Or not being able to adqueately justify their shot, in Toog's case.

1. In the case of Toog I’ll say what I have said to Junpei above – I only have one vote in thread at a time and can’t vote all my suspects. I do think he’s scum outside independent of the handling of the shot today and would vote for him if a solid wagon developed.
2. You miss the point about why I feel Toog’s shot was Anti-Town . It has nothing to do with the target … but clearly the timing. Immediately firing off the weapon first thing today was a terrible, terrible move for Town. First it deprives us of any chance to learn if Whisper passed an ability N1. Second by not holding it till later in the Day he eliminated the possibility of shooting Peregrine for his Anti-Town move or Sinestro for Warrior’s claim. Both would have been net better use of said ability than firing at a lurker to ‘avenge DGB’.
3. Peregrine’s move was so Anti-Town it is scummy. I haven’t had a chance to review his ISO in full (that comes later on this week) to see if I think hes stands a reasonable chance of flipping scum. If he doesn’t I really want to weigh the downside of not lynching him for his move versus the downside of using Town’s greatest weapon on a player I don’t think will flip scum.

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[Ghostlin]

Welcome IamInnocent %u2026

Note up front %u2013 I have seen Warrior%u2019s claim of an effective Guilty on Sinestro. I have some questions for him in this very catchup.

PLEASE DO NOT QUICK-LYNCH SINESTRO. WE NEED TO GET SOME REPLACEMENTS FILLED.

Agree with this. We've got something like a week left and too many inactives.

As much as I'd like to point to you and go 'where's the rage, you're the one guilty for lack of reaction, MoI', I feel there's the vague malase and disinterest in Town about today's events minus the guilty result on Sinestro. In an effort to describe something rather formless, a shot at the beginning of the day wasn't enough to stir the wagons so whisper couldn't claim; PV brazenly, after what I believe was active lurking most of Day 2 wasn't enough to stir the loins of two people in town...and then we get the guilty and it's like everyone's jumping, when a well tailored case should of hung Toog and PV knew damn well the idea of sending a ability to the void should of gotten wrath.


I'd say with some sincerity it'd lead me to believe one or both of PV/Toog are scum.

[Bunnylover]

scum might have known that their scum buddy hid behine sinestro, assuming warrior is telling the truth and just not trying to get a mislynch. If we assume their are two scum teams, one team could have redirect the hider towards one of their own teamates. the team with the hider scum would now believe his target was scum and try to achieve that lynch or nk them later on.

[MagnaofIllusion]

scum might have known that their scum buddy hid behine sinestro, assuming warrior is telling the truth and just not trying to get a mislynch. If we assume their are two scum teams, one team could have redirect the hider towards one of their own teamates. the team with the hider scum would now believe his target was scum and try to achieve that lynch or nk them later on.

Look, a large amount of nothing. Bunny this is all basically pointless speculation about what MIGHT have happened.

Who is scum? Give us your Top 3 Non-Sinestro scum reads with a small bit of why stat!

[chkflip]

Absolutely no time right now. Tomorrow.

[Junpei]

MoI: I was reaction testing you; and you acted as I was 98% sure you would act; unfortunately that is not indicative of your alignment at all. I'm well aware of why RedCoyote was a much more favorable vote for you at the time.

Bunny, you're forgetting the possibility of 3rd party; this doesn't have to be two scum setup. Regardless it doesn't matter because Sinestro dies today.

[Junpei]

What about Sinestro makes him lurkerscum as opposed to lurkertown?

RC you should answer this now.

[RedCoyote]

Oh, nothing in particular... just a feeling I had :3