Abarat Mafia: Mini 1274 - Over

[Faraday]

I'm going to reread this game and give reads and shit. Basically going to start this game new because I really have no idea what I did like 5 days ago lol. And I can't follow my scatter brained train of thought in my notes.

[Faraday]

what did your original notes say? give me a brief insight, i'll see if i can follow them

[Oversoul]

just like a bunch of reads and "stuff"

really no evidence other than post numbers.

I'm going to do it in 2 page increments so expect something from me shortly. Although "spoilers" from 2 pages will give you 3 reads.

[hitogoroshi]

From the grandiose scale of Huffaker, we move on to Ten O’clock, and the more modestly scaled Ninnyhammer, an island which boasts very little that’s noteworthy, excepting perhaps the small town of High Sladder, which is occupied by a tribe of feral tarrie-cats. On a hill to the northeast of the island is a house of odd construction with a dome that, when approaching the island by boat, can in some lights resemble an eye. I believe it has been the domicile of wizards over the years. I have little else to say about the island, having been sworn to secrecy on the matter of wizardly goings-on.

Close by, however, is a Rock of Some Distinction, called Alice Point. It is a tiny place, but it was for some years the best spot from which to see Odom’s Spire, which stands at the Twenty-Fifth Hour. A viewing platform was built on the Point, and large telescopes were brought to the island. A tempest of unusual ferocity brought the structure down after a time, however, and there is a body of opinion that believes this tempest originated in the Spire, because those who occupy the Twenty-Fifth Hour have no wish to be spied upon. I have heard these entities referenced to as the Fantomaya, but who or what these creatures might be is beyond me. The remains of the viewing tower, by the way, can still be seen if you sail close to Alice Point. But the Rock itself no longer has human occupants.

--Klepp's Almenak

VC 10 (Session 1, VC 10)

(3)

Oversoul:

Klazam, Faraday, Hinduragi

(4nxi3ty)

[L-4]
(2)

Zang:

Seraphim, DLG
(1)

Kiwieagle:

Zang
(1)

4nxi3ty

: Oversoul
(1)

Nachomamma8:

Gore-Stained Antlers
(1)

Timeater:

Nachomamma8
(1)

Jase:

4nxi3ty

(3)

Not Voting

: kiwieagle, Jase, Indecision

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Automatic Termination of the First Session

(expired on 2011-12-02 00:30:00)

[Jase]

Picking up my prod. Sorry for being pretty much useless so far in every conceivable way but the project that has been eating up my time and motivation has gone longer than I was hoping. I can't say for sure when I'll be done other than that it will be before the end of the week. Then I'll buckle down and actually, you know, do anything. Again sorry about the delay.

[Oversoul]

Ok I think it's best to put this fact on the table where everyone can see it.

I am a "miller".

Now on to business

Vote: DLG

He's just got to be one of the vile forces of night, and I won't have it. Not in my council. No sir.

Jase is a miller, I believe him. I am of the camp of thought that only town millers claim first thing first day so that town has at least some information to analyze. Plus it allows the town to get out of RVS, but that still didn't seem to help the lolshenanigans that still occured after.

I agree with Faraday's sentiment that the execution does look poor especially given Jase's posts after that which sheep Faraday and Indecision all look extremely fake and contrived. Exact reason why I hate RVS because even from town the posts and votes are all fake and forced.

Jase can be town

[Insert comment calling Faraday confirmed scum and demanding a quicklynch on him by page two]

There, now you can switch your vote back to Faraday!

Jase, have you ever read the Abarat series?

~Mina

I read the first two books, but that was a looong time ago so I'm a bit foggy.

Vote: Faraday

It's fucking exhausting keeping up with this game already. The prime suspect changes like lightning. Shit's crazy.

This is the type of interaction between Jase, Faraday, and Indecision that I really honestly do not like. It looks like friendly banter between buddies. The fact that Faraday has such a friendly and warm personality as well as, from what I can gather, Mina makes this aspect of my read weaker.

You can't just paraphrase a role PM?

If you're really worried, do this: write a summary of the explanation behind why you're a miller, with any details mentioned in your role PM. Copy and paste it into a PM to hitogoroshi and/or AIM conversation. Ask, "Am I allowed to post this in the thread?" Hit send. Wait for hito's reply. Make whatever modifications necessary. Then post your summary in the thread.

~Mina

I really like this post by Mina. It shows that she has a vetted interest in knowing the aspects of the role to get a better idea of who the scum might be. Town points for Indecision as a result of this post.

However, Mina, have you read the Abarat series?

Vote: Zang

Fuck that noise.

This is a weak vote in RVS when there has been a sufficient amount of information given to the town that makes an RVS style vote unnecessary. Seraphim, did you choose to ignore the miller claim and not comment on it? Honestly, gut says that Seraphim is scum, but we will see from my reread if that view changes.

Don't like the "self-vote" thing mainly because I know I've used it before as scum and I think I've seen it from scum before.

Vote: Indecision

Haven't read the posts under that but pretty sure Faraday's town as fuck.

Also, Tim, I got a town PM, so we're going to win. No need to tunnel on me unless you want to be retarded.

Jase, paraphrase the PM.

Certain things to note here.

Hindu doesn't like the self vote thing, yet he does it later in the game?

Hindu makes the set up thread comment to talk about the Tim/Hindu interaction?

Hindu asks a question that has already been asked?

The read on Faraday (which he later clarifies as "gut") looks completely fake. The whole post looks like an attempt to look active and involved in the RVS transformation stage of the game, but he really did nothing original in this post at all.

Faraday: Mainly because I was enjoying the page one banter too much. And my initial instinct on his claim was town, I guess, so it didn't bother me that much right off the bat that his claim was vague? I'll admit my pressuring of him was sort of a perfunctory "Well, someone's claimed miller and didn't provide flavour; might as well force him to clarify" shot in the dark.

I'm not sure whether your last question was rhetorical, or what you mean by "edgy."

Jase: Does your PM explicitly say that any investigations on you will receive a guilty result?

Hinduragi: um, in case it wasn't obvious, my calling Faraday confirmed scum because

random.org always assigns him scum

was pretty tongue-in-cheek. How serious did you believe my and Faraday's votes on each other were?

-Mina

I feel like Mina and thus Indecision is town. I have the same feeling on Hindu's odd ass play and would like an answer for the "how serious" question. I just came out of a game with Hindu where he pulled the fleece over my eyes so I am going to be looking over his posts with more scrutiny than the other players in this game.

Does anyone have any reliable Hindu information?

You don't think my vote is serious?

Your vote doesn't look serious at all half the time when you invalidate it constantly through vote hops that go all over the place. Or was this sarcasm that completely went over my head?

Ah, I missed Jase's post with two votes so I thought you were implying he was a doublevoter.

I thought they were RVS-serious. Mine wasn't. And I know it was a joke, tongue-in-cheek, etc.

The hell is this, Hindu? What does the term RVS-serious even mean? No votes in RVS are "serious" no matter what way you try to spin it.

I find Hindu an intelligent player and find it extremely hard to believe that he thought Jase was a double voter given that Jase's name literally appeared on that vote count 5 times and the mechanic should have been very obvious considering Hito is using the same vote count procedure that many mods use (which shows the progression of a person's vote from the last vote count). Or am I going crazy?

Of course he "knows" it was a joke but gives a laughable defense of explaining that "knowledge".

EQUINOX:

If I'm scum, the mafia will not kill you night one. In return, if you're scum, you don't kill us right now. Deal?

The hell is this, Nacho? Having a hard time interpreting what this post is even supposed to mean or say, but I don't like it.

FoS: Nacho

My notes say look at Nacho with suspicious next to it. This is suspicious so maybe I'm not totally nuts.

I looked up posts of mine where I said might as well claim scum in the search and I was town in all of them. I'm not going to bother looking through every post of every game for one person to say it because I'm lazy and I've got a wiki for anyone who really wants to look it up. Anyways, I still think you guys are scum, and a lot of that is for going for Faraday instantly, calling it a joke, and then keeping your vote on him. Especially since I know you've both been in hydra's with him. The rest are nitpicky things kind of like the might as well claim scum thing coming out so early.

Faraday's town because of gut.

because that is a terrible, horrible reason for a bandwagon hop that you should be ashamed of?

...No. I'm not ashamed of anything except when I get myself lynched as town, have a wrong confirmed town read(hasn't happened so far, thank God), or make a game-losing decision as town.

The last part of the post is fluff and really not important. He gives a self meta case that really isn't a self meta case by stating others can look for the information if they really want. If Hindu was really town and interested in winning he would make it easier for the town to analyze his posts and use any useful information when making a decision about his alignment. He states he knew they were "RVS-serious" but still votes for them anyway despite Mina telling him that they weren't serious. He then goes on to butter the toast and call Faraday town by gut slowly trying to crawl up Faraday's good side so that Faraday won't send his inspections in Hindu's direction.

reads at this point in the game?

Indecision - nulltown
Jase - nulltown
Hindu - scum

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hindu

My notes don't say anything to the effect that my Hindu read might be wrong or look at Hindu again so at this point (haven't really read) I don't think my vote will be changing.

I want to call Faraday town just based off the way Hindu is treating him as it looks like a passive form of buddying to a powerful townie.

Hito, stop plagarizing or I will sue you.

[Faraday]

if you've been following close enough to pay attention to my votehops why haven't you commented now and then?


(vote indecision,, voteanxiety (aka fake), vote indecision vote kiwieagle, vote klazam, vote oversoul) (to the best of my memory)

what's wrong with my voting frequency?

[Faraday]

me and Mina banter all the time. i'm surprised this is still a surprise to people.

[Faraday]

i don't use sarcasm in mafia games btw. take everything i say deadly serious or i'll get upset.

[Oversoul]

if you've been following close enough to pay attention to my votehops why haven't you commented now and then?


(vote indecision,, voteanxiety (aka fake), vote indecision vote kiwieagle, vote klazam, vote oversoul) (to the best of my memory)

what's wrong with my voting frequency?

I'm only following closely

now

. I have time to kill now that I am on Thanksgiving break.

Duly noted about the sarcasm.

[Oversoul]

Another two page analysis coming up, then I am going to bed.

[Faraday]

the sarcasm thing was sarcastic, lmao.

uh, but how can you see my vote hops if you're only up to page 2? i don't understand. you commented on it before you commited to your catch up. have you read the thread in full? can we get your initial impressions without quote strips?

[Oversoul]

Hello all!

I'm always up late. I work and do stuffs and sleep during the day, so dont except stuffs from me during the day, but during the night, do except me to post.

First: my stance on the miller-claim, I'm just gonna treat it as null. if Jase contributes to the town, good let him live, and if Jase is scummy, hang him. I do think millers should be hanged before LYLO comes around, though. This is to prevent scum riding a miller claim all the way to LYLO and destroying us because of it. In my opinion- the miller claim will only matter to the person who it matters to and nobody else. Further discussion of the miller claim is useless.

Questions-

Seraphrim- was that supposed to be a pure RVS vote?
Hind- are you implying since indecision said "might as well claim and selfvote, scum", he's town? If not, what did your previous post mean?
Indecision- why so indecisive? (just wanted to make that joke at least once)
Nacho- What is the purpose of your "deal" with equinox? I think that opens up a whole can of WIFOM. And why vote Hind?

vote Nacho

All in all I like this entrance into the game. It shows motivation. It shows proactive playing. It shows what I think embodies townie play.

I am a little surprised that you advocate lynching the miller when it is almost always a better idea to shoot a miller that the town has questions about, but then again, this isn't a large game so a vigilante is unlikely. Interesting that you say that though.

Klazam, do you play more mini games than large games?

I am also confused about the whole Nacho and Equinox deal, bet, gentlemen's agreement, or whatever. I still don't understand it even

now

after rereading it a couple of times. I don't want to get hitched on it, but my notes say "don't like" which I still agree with. Glad someone else holds the same opinion, though.

What is the purpose of your "deal" with equinox? I think that opens up a whole can of WIFOM

If she's scum, I don't get killed night one, meaning that I don't have to worry about her being scum all the way to day 2. Don't see where the WIFOM comes in. I voted for Hindu because I decided that I might as well toss a vote down.

Noting this incase Hindu flips scum as this could be soft bussing early in the game. However, I doubt that Nachomamma would do something as weird as the Equinox bet and state it publicly. For some reason the action does not sit well with me, but I feel that Nacho is probably town for it since I don't see any scum logic behind posting that. Unneeded suspicion and everything. However, still noting.

RVS vote?

WIFOM- Equinox kills you, or you die. Bam, instawifom. I dont like the concept of that deal.

I try to not pay attention to WIFOM because it is so easy to get lost in the labyrinthian logic of a situation. I will say that I agree WIFOM shrouds that bet and that is fortified when Nacho goes on to explain it later.

Don't pay attention to it, then. It's not an auto-clear if one of us dies during the night.

I just trust that Equinox is honorable enough to take the deal if she accepts it.
And I figure she knows me well enough that I would keep up my end of the bargain if she accepted it.

Ya. Townie vibes from Nacho for this post. I am glad that he states it doesn't have any ulterior motive, but still it was weird when it happened. Will happily try and remove thoughts thinking about the WIFOM.

Nope. No basis whatsoever, but it's gonna sit here for a bit while others do their thing.

Again, noted incase Hindu flips scum. I doubt scum would be as frank about their RVS vote as Nacho is in this post, though. Ambivalence. Yay. Maybe I should be in the indecision hydra lul.

initial reaction to the jase/faraday/indecision triangle is one scum, two towns.

Vote: Klazam

your unvote feels a little out of place.

In my experience, both as scum and against scum, the people who say specific situations are town v town, or these people in this group are scum, are usually scum trying to cast a shadow of doubt over a group of players so post flip information is harder to garner.

Agree with the sentiment that stating one of the triangle is probably scum, but votes someone else anyway.

Nevermind.

Unvote, Vote: Anxiety

Why exactly does the jase/faraday/indecision interaction feel like a specific number of scum and townie? What about that argument makes someone, although no one in particular, feel like a certain number of scum and town?

Ya... more evidence for a Nacho town read. First person to jump onto this and for all of the right reasons (in my opinion).

There seems to be a lot of meta coming into play with that interaction, which imo wouldn't be necessary if all three were town. It is far more likely that there is only one scum and not two, given the nature of their arguments. No one has done anything overly scummy so there is still the possibility that they are town.

Back track. Back track. Back track. That is all I see in this post. For one he states the obvious about that interaction, which could very well lead to them all being town and then he adds at the end that they are still likely to be scum or town. Well, duh. That much is obvious. It is which one they actually are.

VOTE: 4nxi3ty

What Nachomamma 8 said.

Also, any one of the three seem more likely scum than the others?
If not, why not check it out further?
If so, why not vote that one?

@ Nachomamma8
Why, if you are scum, are you willing to give Equinox (as Indecision) a guarantee of a second Day?

@ Jase
Do you plan to use your miller claim as license to be hyper scummy?
Do you anticipate being just scummy enough to warrant being investigated?

@ Timeater
Did you finally draw scum like you wanted in the sign-up thread?

My notes say that DLG "might be town" but when I look at this post I can't help but think what crack I was smoking when I said that. O_o This post doesn't give me any townie vibes whatsoever and looks so fake with the numerous questions trying to look like they are actively in the middle of the town searching for scum.

DLG basically hitches his vote onto information already given by Nacho and then tries to make it look like the questions he asked were original, when they are basically fraternal twins to the questions asked/implied by others after Nacho pointed out the logical fail.

I seriously don't understand the Jase questions and those are the questions I take the most gripe with seeing as they don't really contribute to anything since it would be stupid to have a cop investigate a miller and no scum player is going to say to either of those questions regardless.

He makes mention of a point that I wanted to address though when he asked Timeater the question. Tim was so active in the signup thread and all hunkydory talking to Hindu and the like, yet when he gets here he is completely different. I also find it interesting that Hindu makes mention of the topics discussed in the signup thread but Tim chooses to ignore them. Note that for later.

There seems to be a lot of meta coming into play with that interaction, which imo wouldn't be necessary if all three were town. It is far more likely that there is only one scum and not two, given the nature of their arguments. No one has done anything overly scummy so there is still the possibility that they are town.

There's nothing about metatalk that automatically means there's scum in a group. Also, "nature of their arguments" doesn't mean anything. Explain.

DLG: The Indecision hydra is a strong hydra. So, if they perform well after I offer to let them live through the night, I look more town simply because I was the one who made the offer in the first place simply because many people just won't be able to come up with the answer to that very question.

Ignoring the DLG question myself since Nacho said it wasn't important, but ya, I want an answer to that question aimed at Anxiety.

indecision+mina/faraday is a scum on scum interaction

Remember what I said about scum likely to say that a certain interaction and group of people is likely to be scum? Well Tim just hit the big one. Plus his play is nothing like the happy go-lucky attitude that I saw in RPG Mafia. Getting bad vibes from Timeater.

(Equinox)

Where's your vote, then, Timeater?

Townie vibes from the other half of the hydra. Yay.

I don't like the interaction between Indecision and Faraday, but letting it slide cause of RVS and they clearly have personal history.

there was no 'rvs' in this game. what don't you like? if you don't like it shouldn't you prod at it more?

Come again? What are you talking about? There obviously was RVS, just a very short one that was slowly ended by Jase's miller claim and the wagon run up on Anxiety. Unless we have varying definitions of RVS?

So all that early banter with Faraday was just some good fun, right equinox?

In other news: Anyone else see validity in Nacho's scumslip or no?

What was the scumslip? This post looks like fluff trying to feign activity which I consider a usual scumtell. Trying to look like you are participating when in reality you are just regurgitating other people's opinions/casting doubt.

Town:
Mina
Klazam
Nacho
Faraday

Scum:
Hindu
Timeater
DLG

[Oversoul]

Was having a hard time understanding what you were trying to say, but when I said vote hops that was when you were going back and forth with Indecision/Jase in the first page and half.

That and you just voted me and said pressure and I often bring new information into rereads to better help me understand the psyche of a player.

[Oversoul]

Those reads are ordered from strongest to weakest for their respective groups.

[Faraday]

rvs would imply my vote was random.

[Hinduragi]

The oversoul wagon is wtf

as in I dont see where/how/why it started

Because I had a crap first vote. And because I was away so it is a nice place to park a vote that doesn't really matter.

Faraday, do you actually want your vote to hold weight?

I'm going to reread this game and give reads and shit. Basically going to start this game new because I really have no idea what I did like 5 days ago lol. And I can't follow my scatter brained train of thought in my notes.

Or you haven't really thought about what you should do to avoid suspicion and your notes are nonexistent.

[Hinduragi]

Oh, he already posted.

[Oversoul]

I never attribute the acronym to what happens during that stage of the game. It is simply a time where the rules (of the town) are loosened and people can just do bs things because they feel like it.

pedit:

Discrediting the person and not the views. Classic scum, Hindu.

[Faraday]

Discrediting the person and not the views. Classic scum, Hindu.

what

[Faraday]

oversoul's catch up posts seem kinda forced and non spontaneous. i'll just ignore them and comment when he's fully caught up for now though.

[Oversoul]

Basic politics, Faraday. When you can't beat the argument, beat the person. Make your opponent look like a bad person so that their argument looks bad by association.

[Oversoul]

oversoul's

catch up

posts seem kinda forced and

non spontaneous

. i'll just ignore them and comment when he's fully caught up for now though.

Bolded the key words there.

Well, I will comment more in the morning. Night all.

[Faraday]

but what he's saying is directly relevant to the game.

[Oversoul]

There was ample time between those two posts which is why I took at as him trying to discredit me when I had begun a case on him.

lol. G'night FOR REAL.