Abarat Mafia: Mini 1274 - Over

[Faraday]

...and yet you claim you enjoy playing with people who live and breathe large cases like they're fresh mountain air?

(i am pretty sure i'd stop playing mafia if i ever thought this btw, just as an aside)

[Faraday]

yeah,the first paragraph of the first quote mostly

'I'm thinking about voting you because your vote is on null, when somebody is more scummy in your eyes. Go and vote who you think is scummiest. And you didnt explain why you thought Nacho and Tim is scum. And how the hell do you have a town read on Oversoul? how do you get that from two posts? IF anything, I'd say Oversoul would be scummy.
'

(the whole voting a null instead of a scum thing, I guess I just don't understand why klazam thinks that's particularly scummy or more likely to come from scum? he also says here he doesn't think kiwiw can get a town read from two posts but backs off after one of kiwi's, eh, tbf that's really weak and I'm not sure i'd actually find that scummy if I didn't already find him scummy though)

[Faraday]

bleh it's 3am here. too tired to do any more re-reading, had a heavy day today. gonna go watch some bones

[Faraday]

seraphim posted a while ago

[Nachomamma8]

he also says here he doesn't think kiwiw can get a town read from two posts but backs off after one of kiwi's

This is a good point, though. Especially considering his fairly terrible reasons for why he switched his vote...

Hm.

[Nachomamma8]

I think that I'm going to play Earthbound for a while, and then reread Klazam. Posting will probably be up when you wake up tomorrow.

[kiwieagle]

Also heres my only other scum game faraday:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17807

[kiwieagle]

the days in which I was still a goon....

[Faraday]

Skimmed that, found (Or didn't find) what I'm looking for, awesome.

[Klazam]

klazam thoughts on oversoul/dlg/zang, please.

Oversoul seems town, his walls show a level of analysis that's conspicuously absent from Zang's posts. Zang could go either way to me. His posting is very neutral. For DLG, he seems genuine. the case on Zang doesnt seem contrived. Fara, if you want more specifics than that, point out specific posts.

im trying to decide if klazam has been intentionally playing the dumb card...

When I was scum I ALWAYS played a dumb card
Klazam is doing similar things.

I believe that i disproved 4nix3ty in that. You disagree? then please point out where you think I "played the dumb card".

Klazam's challenge accepted seems a bit over-aggressiveness/confidence
Dont see how hindu is "challenging" him

The Challenge Accepted part was a joke. It was in response to this part of Hind's post:

Oh, Klazam, let's go wall together tomorrow. I plan to keep on doing this until you die due to lol-rush. Nah, just kidding.

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Klazam's vote also seems OMGUS.

He was misrepresenting me, attempting to make me look bad. That's a scum thing to do, correct? Therefore the vote.

(the whole voting a null instead of a scum thing, I guess I just don't understand why klazam thinks that's particularly scummy or more likely to come from scum? he also says here he doesn't think kiwiw can get a town read from two posts but backs off after one of kiwi's, eh, tbf that's really weak and I'm not sure i'd actually find that scummy if I didn't already find him scummy though)

All right. For me, Kiwi voted a person that kiwi put on Kiwi's NULL list, while kiwi had people that Kiwi put on a SCUMMY list. If you think that a person is scum, you should vote for that person, not who you arent sure about. Also, I got a town feeling from that post of Kiwi, while I didnt see anything in Oversoul's 2 posts that seemed town, actually, it seemed scummy to me.

[Hinduragi]

Honestly think Klazam is scum now. At first I was voting him to get some groundwork laid and have a wagon that I liked going to see something but now I ISO'd him and don't like it. He's just been "there". The first post is all kinds of scummy and I'm sad that I didn't catch it the first time around. I blame Indecision and Faraday's bullshit because that post in particular would've been wagon gold. A lot of his posts are questions being thrown around, which is a lot like Zang, except his are just either put there to be there(a.k.a. to look helpful) or to ask something that generally isn't going to help(unless he'd be so inclined to enlighten us). Now this Anxiety business is rather sad because that was his first townread. Now that he's had a wagon on him, he's gone back on both townreads, said he "thinks" Indecision is town, and has said he can't read Anxiety. I read this before I looked at any other parts of his ISO and this is why I said I honestly thought he was scum. You're going to love this. 459, 460, and 461. I think the important part of why this is scummy is that, when Anxiety had a wagon on him, Klazam answered his questions calmly. With a wagon on him, Klazam's worried about looking bad, not finding someone who's scum.

[Hinduragi]

Btw, I don't think I read much of what you guys were doing on the last page if that was the stuff involving kiwi. His scumplay is pretty obvious from what I saw in RPG so I didn't bother too much. If he's scum, it will be entirely transparent so I haven't been very worried about that slot.

[Oversoul]

Oversoul seems town, his walls show a level of analysis that's conspicuously absent from Zang's posts.

Also, I got a town feeling from that post of Kiwi, while I didnt see anything in Oversoul's 2 posts that seemed town, actually, it seemed scummy to me.

Care to explain, Klazam? You call me town in the first part of your post and then say that I am scummy in the second part of your post...

okay..

[Klazam]

Honestly think Klazam is scum now. At first I was voting him to get some groundwork laid and have a wagon that I liked going to see something but now I ISO'd him and don't like it. He's just been "there". The first post is all kinds of scummy and I'm sad that I didn't catch it the first time around. I blame Indecision and Faraday's bullshit because that post in particular would've been wagon gold. A lot of his posts are questions being thrown around, which is a lot like Zang, except his are just either put there to be there(a.k.a. to look helpful) or to ask something that generally isn't going to help(unless he'd be so inclined to enlighten us). Now this Anxiety business is rather sad because that was his first townread. Now that he's had a wagon on him, he's gone back on both townreads, said he "thinks" Indecision is town, and has said he can't read Anxiety. I read this before I looked at any other parts of his ISO and this is why I said I honestly thought he was scum. You're going to love this. 459, 460, and 461. I think the important part of why this is scummy is that, when Anxiety had a wagon on him, Klazam answered his questions calmly. With a wagon on him, Klazam's worried about looking bad, not finding someone who's scum.

How is my first post scummy? Enlighten me.

The questions was to help me get a insight on motives of people.

Reads can change. if you didnt notice, 4nix3ty said i was purposely acting dumb, then chose parts of my posts out of context to make me something that I'm not. This is what's called a misrepresentation. And i'm of the thought that misrepresentations are scummy. IF 4nix3ty was doing that to somebody else, my vote would still be on him.

I said that I thought Indecision was town. I didnt change that at all. What 2 townreads did i go back on- 4nix3ty and who? And i never said i couldnt read 4nix3ty.

Again I'm not worried of looking bad, I just noticed that 4nix3ty was making me something I'm not. I dont see where "when Anxiety had a wagon on him, Klazam answered his questions calmly" happened.

[Klazam]

Oversoul seems town, his walls show a level of analysis that's conspicuously absent from Zang's posts.

Also, I got a town feeling from that post of Kiwi, while I didnt see anything in Oversoul's 2 posts that seemed town, actually, it seemed scummy to me.

Care to explain, Klazam? You call me town in the first part of your post and then say that I am scummy in the second part of your post...

okay..

I believe that you are town.

The second part was an answer to faraday. I was referring to my earlier position on you, when you had only 2 posts. When you started walling, You became significantly more town in my eyes.

[Timeater]

vote: faraday

playtime is over, loiterererer

[4nxi3ty]

meh there are a few things i don't like about klazam's responses, might go in-depth later; basically it boils down to wether or not i think he has been playing dumb or if he hasn't taken the time to follow the game. seriously considering lynching seraphim as an incentive to increase activity.

[Faraday]

Zang 2011-11-24 11:07:38 2 days 2 hours 14
Gore-Stained Antlers 2011-11-24 08:24:24 2 days 4 hours 4
Indecision 2011-11-24 01:53:55 2 days 11 hours 50
DLG 2011-11-24 01:16:39 2 days 12 hours 10
Jase 2011-11-23 21:43:47 2 days 15 hours 15
Seraphim 2011-11-20 21:07:23 5 days 16 hours

mad.

okay seraphim's flaked
jased is ??? busy
mina and equinox are busy but skim and give reads or something.
dlg is v/la kay w/e
zang is ZANG.

seriously get home after a 20 minute convo in a sauna about x-fact and DAT INACTIVITY

[Faraday]

vote: faraday

playtime is over, loiterererer

[Hinduragi]

Hello all!

I'm always up late. I work and do stuffs and sleep during the day, so dont except stuffs from me during the day, but during the night, do except me to post.

First: my stance on the miller-claim, I'm just gonna treat it as null. if Jase contributes to the town, good let him live, and if Jase is scummy, hang him. I do think millers should be hanged before LYLO comes around, though. This is to prevent scum riding a miller claim all the way to LYLO and destroying us because of it. In my opinion- the miller claim will only matter to the person who it matters to and nobody else. Further discussion of the miller claim is useless.

Questions-

Seraphrim- was that supposed to be a pure RVS vote?
Hind- are you implying since indecision said "might as well claim and selfvote, scum", he's town? If not, what did your previous post mean?
Indecision- why so indecisive? (just wanted to make that joke at least once)
Nacho- What is the purpose of your "deal" with equinox? I think that opens up a whole can of WIFOM. And why vote Hind?

vote Nacho

This is one of my favorite mindsets to catch scum in because I had it in my first game. It's the nervous mindset of someone trying to play carefully and you can catch scum Day 1 with it. "Hey guys! I'm going to be super helpful this game, everything so far is null. The claim doesn't matter even though it really does. Let's make sure to lynch him instead of trying to get a read on him if he doesn't die. Random question time to help myself get off to a good start!"
First posts say a lot, and I particularly love these kinds of first posts because scum, like Nicodemus just love to use them to feel safe. Do you SEE the playstyle similarities? I hope so, because if you don't then you're either blind, misguided in a self-looking glass, or claiming scum.

Yeah, I'm saying point out SPECIFIC questions and tell me how you draw ANY sort of conclusion around them. I get people's motives without asking a couple thousand of questions and shooting them randomly in the dark all the time.

STOP. GO TO JAIL. DO NOT PASS GO AND DO NOT COLLECT $200. WE ARE BOTH TALKING ABOUT

THIS

POST, RIGHT? He quoted things directly from YOU to show what he was talking about. I, for one, don't see how that's casting you in a bad light apart from pointing out scummy qualities stemming from yourself. If you look at that last sentence, that's what scumhunting and then presenting evidence is, which is the same thing that I'm doing right now.

Going back on a town read(oh, and by the by, I pointed out the 2 townreads where you quoted them. Where you said you "THINK" Indecision is town and couldn't read Anxiety) and voting them for it over that is exactly why I've got qualms with it.

I dont see 4nix3ty as scum. The first vote was a badvote, but the posts seem town to me. Indecision isn’t scum either.

There is no "THINK" or "can't read Anxiety" in this quote. Having this level of confidence and then changing the wording DOES imply differently. I'm probably going to be countered by "OH BUT THEYRE STILL A TOWNREAD". NOPE, it's NOT the same thing, whether you like it or not. This is a 100% statement and, yes, it DOES come from town AND scum. The DIFFERENCE between town using it and scum using it is that town PURPOSEFULLY use it in order to intimidate scum. Scum obviously use it to try to fit in. Going back on one townread while lowering the other to "THINK" is not something that someone in the town perspective does. It isn't.

Again I'm not worried of looking bad, I just noticed that 4nix3ty was making me something I'm not. I dont see where "when Anxiety had a wagon on him, Klazam answered his questions calmly" happened.

Oh, that first sentence is EXACTLY what I'm talking about from that first post. "Pay me no attention!". Anxiety did NOT make you something you're not. He said he was trying to FIGURE OUT if you were 1 of DUMB or SCUM. It didn't really matter, though. As scum, you can be BOTH. I was mainly looking at this post. I realized Anxiety didn't have a huge wagon on him. Regardless, it's still the same interaction except with pressure on YOU.

You know what ELSE got me? How you wanted reasoning ALL the time. You never even considered it might be a pressure vote like Faraday and I have done or might have done just to get something. You jumped straight to "OSHIT IM CAUGHT. TIME TO DEFEND MYSELF". And THAT fit RIGHT in with why I saw that you were nervous. So, yes, you ARE scum. And this time I'm not lol-parking my vote on you just to look at you later, get something from you, or to generally try to have some sort of stable wagon. This time I'm going to tunnel you until you die because I know you'll flip scum. If you and your buddies have a day-killing action, you're going to want to use it on me right now. This tunnel is long, and it's very dark. The best part about it? That one guy, the one at the end of the tunnel: he dies.

[Hinduragi]

vote: faraday

playtime is over, loiterererer

What the fuck is this shit?

[Hinduragi]

Zang 2011-11-24 11:07:38 2 days 2 hours 14
Gore-Stained Antlers 2011-11-24 08:24:24 2 days 4 hours 4
Indecision 2011-11-24 01:53:55 2 days 11 hours 50
DLG 2011-11-24 01:16:39 2 days 12 hours 10
Jase 2011-11-23 21:43:47 2 days 15 hours 15
Seraphim 2011-11-20 21:07:23 5 days 16 hours

mad.

okay seraphim's flaked
jased is ??? busy
mina and equinox are busy but skim and give reads or something.
dlg is v/la kay w/e
zang is ZANG.

seriously get home after a 20 minute convo in a sauna about x-fact and DAT INACTIVITY

Seraphim has needed a replacement since 2-3 days ago.

[Timeater]

faraday is most likely scum hind

you know it to be true

[Jase]

jase is ??? busy

No Jase is ??? BACK!

Catching up. Not sure how I'm gonna go about this yet, but expect multiple posts as I go.

[Jase]

Bluh eyes are glazing over as I re-read. So yeah Imma just do some nice manageable isos instead.