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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:02 pm

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AurorusVox wrote:
On the other hand, look at Vel ignoring the L-2 vote. Now,
did I really need to explain that was what makes him scum
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Please, actually.

So far you've managed to take someone who hasn't posted to
L-2
, sheeped Pine's vote of me, said Pine is town, and reinforced your previously unexplained vote of me with this cryptic little bit.

I'd love for you to elaborate on that.

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Why are you so sure Pine is town? I certainly haven't seen anything that explicitly confirms him as town. I am, however, incredibly curious as to why you know this. I see a definite disparity between how much you've done and how much you've posted.

Pine - Would you please show me the buddying you are talking about?
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:30 pm

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Hrm. I could've sworn there was some. Maybe I'm just thinking of the general friendliness on page 1, and the sheeping. Buddying's not as hard as I thought...I might be confusing threads again, too. Wouldn't be the first time, not even the first time tonight. I think I need sleep.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:59 pm

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Pine wrote:Dude, it's pretty hard to rewrite history on page two. Props for trying.

The real sequence of events:

1) Vel does something mildly scummy
2) I point it out
3) Vel reacts scummier
4) I get on his case
5) Vel reacts horribad
6) I get aggressive
7) Nintendo sleazes onto the wagon
8) I begin to have doubts, given how easy a target Vel is, and how he really has done his homework on me, thereby proving my initial suspicion false (this is post 39)
9) Vel has an emotional break, almost impossible to fake
10) I make the leap in logic and recognize all of this, and catch Nintendo working to massage my good intentions into a mislynch, and I call him on it
11) Nintendo lolOMGUSes out of the blue, abandoning the case he was leeching off of me when I reveal its toxicity

Etc.


Where do I even start...

1. I did not sleaze onto the wagon. Stop trying to downplay what I did. I came onto the wagon with my own reasons. And iirc you were the only other vote on him at the time so it wouldn't even qualify as vote hopping.
2. Where did you start to have doubts? No one else knew you were having doubts. You never said anything about it.
3. Impossible to fake? Debatable. I've see both sides of that coin. Not to mention he could have had help. Think about it... the rules don't say anything about the mafia only being able to talk at night. In my experience on this site that is usually a stated fact. But it isn't.
4. A leap? Really? And tell me you didn't just call yourself a mislynch...
4.1 For a leap, that post seemed pretty forced. Didn't sound like you.
4.2 A mislynch? Seriously, when someone calls themselves a mislynch, they are trying to look town. Town doesn't need to try to look like town.
5. Again, I have reasons for my vote. Unlike you, cause you're just squirming scum on page two. And you've twisted my words and actions twice in that post.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:49 pm

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Velazanth wrote:
AurorusVox wrote:
On the other hand, look at Vel ignoring the L-2 vote. Now,
did I really need to explain that was what makes him scum
?


Please, actually.

So far you've managed to take someone who hasn't posted to
L-2
, sheeped Pine's vote of me, said Pine is town, and reinforced your previously unexplained vote of me with this cryptic little bit.

I'd love for you to elaborate on that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: AurorusVox

Why are you so sure Pine is town? I certainly haven't seen anything that explicitly confirms him as town. I am, however, incredibly curious as to why you know this. I see a definite disparity between how much you've done and how much you've posted.

Pine - Would you please show me the buddying you are talking about?


This post is 100% scum.
I bet you'd like for me to explain why I've caught you, yet again, wouldn't you?

Maybe Pine can tell me where his "lost newbie" is now, considering you've been caught lying and misrepping horrendously right here.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:14 am

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Weeeell you did say please, and maybe I can be kind rather than cruel to you, since I don't want you to go "despondent" again :roll:

Putting someone at L-2 was something that should have generated responses; it should have made town sit back and go "hold on a minute, this is a little risky", or "wow, why is that guy putting him at L-2 so early? He hasn't even posted yet!"

Pine did this. That's why Pine gets a cookie.

You, however, ignored it completely and put down a rubbish RVS vote when there was NON RANDOM shit going down. You wanted to remain away from the actual content because it would have meant getting your hands dirty from your very first post in the game. Scum are scared of getting their hands dirty so soon. Scum don't want to call someone out who could prove a threat later. Much better to wait and see what happens and try to remain in a nice RVS bubble for as long as possible. Well, sorry buster, but I'm not letting you do that.

Then, let's follow your later responses, where you say I never even put anyone at L-2. Feigned ignorance much? I clearly put him there AS I STATED IN MY OWN POST. You can't say moving my vote off him onto you meant I never put him at L-2, since unfortunately I don't have a time machine and actions taken in the future don't retroactively modify the past. He was still at L-2 with that vote, and you STILL tried to avoid making a comment or a stand on it. That was continually scummy.

Now we find you here seeing that you CAN say something about it because Pine has called you town and because he's said something about it, and because someone else has voted you and you need an escape route to throw the limelight off you and onto someone else. So now you're being opportunistic and throwing a vote at me, in an attempt to disentangle yourself from the scumminess you've already been caught up in. You can't ignore the L-2, say it never happened, and then bold the bloody thing as if it's something you find horrendously offensive. If it was that bad, why didn't you mention this before? You're a liar, liar, and your neck will be on fire when the rope lynches you.


And then we have that I sheeped Pine's vote. Which is hilarious considering I voted you first. Again, you seem to think I have a time machine. Do you know about this thing called linear sequencing of events? If something happens first, it can't have happened in response to something that hasn't yet happened. This is pretty basic stuff.

Oh no, I have a town read for a good reason! Lock me up and throw away the key!

Also my reasons for voting you aren't cryptic. I pointed to what it was that you did that makes you scum. I love that you want me to elaborate (I obliged) but come now, seeking reasons just reeks of scum looking to defend themselves. And if I had no reason when I voted you, when I was inevitably pushed on it, why - I'd have nothing to say! I voted you clearly in response to your first post, and the reasons should have been glaringly obvious to anyone who reads it. I'm disconcerted that hardly anyone else has posted, but I'm emboldened by the fact that nintendo has voted for you.

I'm hoping after that awful post that Pine will realise he's gone off to the loony tunes, but given his #51, I'm not sure I can count him as one of the sane members of this game any longer.


Is that an elaborate enough explanation for you, VerScum?
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:17 am

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*VelScum. My witty exit was weakened by not remembering your name properly.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:21 am

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Aurorus wrote:Putting someone at L-2 was something that should have generated responses; it should have made town sit back and go "hold on a minute, this is a little risky", or "wow, why is that guy putting him at L-2 so early? He hasn't even posted yet!"

Pine did this. That's why Pine gets a cookie.

You, however, ignored it completely and put down a rubbish RVS vote when there was NON RANDOM shit going down. You wanted to remain away from the actual content because it would have meant getting your hands dirty from your very first post in the game. Scum are scared of getting their hands dirty so soon. Scum don't want to call someone out who could prove a threat later. Much better to wait and see what happens and try to remain in a nice RVS bubble for as long as possible. Well, sorry buster, but I'm not letting you do that.

Do you believe that Spartan was in danger of being lynched?
Do you believe that the Spartan-wagon was non-random?
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:22 am

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edit:

"non-random" is possibly the wrong word. "Non-arbitary" is probably better.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:27 am

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No I don't believe he was in danger of being lynched at that point, i.e. I don't believe the next two non-voting people to post would have both voted for him, resulting in his lynch on the first real life day of play.

I believe the wagon swelled to that point not because of anything Spartan did but because a large wagon early in the game is a good and useful thing for town. If the first two votes had been on you, I believe the wagon would still have reached that point.

Namely, I believe the wagon would have gotten a response from him that would have given insight into his alignment (possibly too late now), and furthermore act as a means to gauge the reaction of other players (in this instance, Pine and Vel).
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:44 am

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AurorusVox wrote:No I don't believe he was in danger of being lynched at that point, i.e. I don't believe the next two non-voting people to post would have both voted for him, resulting in his lynch on the first real life day of play.

I believe the wagon swelled to that point not because of anything Spartan did but because a large wagon early in the game is a good and useful thing for town. If the first two votes had been on you, I believe the wagon would still have reached that point.

Namely, I believe the wagon would have gotten a response from him that would have given insight into his alignment (possibly too late now), and furthermore act as a means to gauge the reaction of other players (in this instance, Pine and Vel).

I agree with you on this.
Which is why I am uneasy at your reasoning for your Vel vote. You're essentially saying that you're voting him because he didn't make the newbie mistake of over-reacting at an L-2 vote on page 1.

If I had posted #19 rather than Vel, I wouldn't have batted an eyelid at your vote. In a hypothetical situation (where you hadn't just put down a vote in the previous post) you wouldn't have batted an eyelid since you've already shown that you don't think L-2 is intrinsically dangerous at that point.
But somehow Vel not batting an eyelid makes him scum?
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:58 am

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I wouldn't bat an eyelid because I'm on the wagon. Nor should you, since you've also voted for Spartan. We're the ones with the power to remove our votes. It's not as dangerous when you're there as it is to an outsider who doesn't know what's going on.

Vel isn't on the wagon. He should have had something to say about it. I'm not talking about him not over-reacting. I'm talking about him not reacting at all. He didn't even mention it. Now, that seems more like calculated refusal to engage, rather than "not batting an eyelid" as town.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:22 am

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No, what I was saying is that if I was in Vel's shoes, I wouldn't have reacted/responded to the Spartan-wagon either. I don't think you would have too.

Not acknowledging a random wagon on page 1 is not scummy. Fishing for an (over-) reaction, and then jumping down their throat when they don't react in the 'mistaken newbie' type way that you were hoping for is scummy.

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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:49 am

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If someone puts someone else at L-2 I'd have at least asked them why they were doing it.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:03 am

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AurorusVox wrote:If someone puts someone else at L-2 I'd have at least asked them why they were doing it.

iirc you didn't ask him why he did it.
So what are you trying to say?
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:28 am

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It was me that put him at L-2. Bit hard to ask myself why I'm doing it, isn't it?
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:20 am

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AurorusVox wrote:If someone puts someone else at L-2 I'd have at least asked them why they were doing it.


So.... According to you, I'm scum because I didn't
A) Take him to L-1
B) Say something about you taking him to L-2 (even though I did)

You talk about "calculated refusal to engage" and I think you're giving me too much credit. Its obvious why I didn't react to the Spartan wagon and I've already explained why my vote on Pine was random at this stage. I think you're scum trying to mislead us with all this RVS bs.

My vote stays.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:27 am

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Ehhhhhh...AV is Town.

Votes on Nintendo plox.
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:30 am

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Pine wrote:Votes on Nintendo plox.

That's all you have to say in response to my last post?
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:35 am

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Your last post was directed at Aurorus, but assuming you meant 52, then yes. That's all I have to say. 52 is really reaching, and I have confidence that others will see it. I could respond point by point, but it will devolve into he said/he said pretty quickly. I just don't feel like rising to the bait when I'm confident in my reads, and in the fact that the bait is poisoned.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:44 am

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How can you have said anything about it? You didn't even think I had put him at L-2:

Velazanth wrote:Who's at L-2? You moved your vote off him to me.. wouldn't that make him L-3?


It wasn't until your TENTH post that you mentioned anything about me putting him at L-2. And you said it in such a way as to pretend you HAD said something about it.

You can't bullshit your way out of those lies, Vel.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:52 am

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Pine wrote:Your last post was directed at Aurorus, but assuming you meant 52, then yes. That's all I have to say. 52 is really reaching, and I have confidence that others will see it. I could respond point by point, but it will devolve into he said/he said pretty quickly. I just don't feel like rising to the bait when I'm confident in my reads, and in the fact that the bait is poisoned.

Let's take a look at it, shall we?
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Pine wrote:Dude, it's pretty hard to rewrite history on page two. Props for trying.

The real sequence of events:

1) Vel does something mildly scummy
2) I point it out
3) Vel reacts scummier
4) I get on his case
5) Vel reacts horribad
6) I get aggressive
7) Nintendo sleazes onto the wagon
8) I begin to have doubts, given how easy a target Vel is, and how he really has done his homework on me, thereby proving my initial suspicion false (this is post 39)
9) Vel has an emotional break, almost impossible to fake
10) I make the leap in logic and recognize all of this, and catch Nintendo working to massage my good intentions into a mislynch, and I call him on it
11) Nintendo lolOMGUSes out of the blue, abandoning the case he was leeching off of me when I reveal its toxicity

Etc.


Where do I even start...

1. I did not sleaze onto the wagon. Stop trying to downplay what I did. I came onto the wagon with my own reasons. And iirc you were the only other vote on him at the time so it wouldn't even qualify as vote hopping.
Well that's interesting... As it turns out, Aur was the first onto Velwagon... so actually you sleazed onto it... Also, I never sleazed onto the wagon at all because I never voted for Vel.

2. Where did you start to have doubts? No one else knew you were having doubts. You never said anything about it.
On your sqeuence of events, you say Vel was mildly scummy, scummier, then he reacted horribad, then the next post consists entirely of "hrm." If that was your doubt showing it wasn't very obvious.

3. Impossible to fake? Debatable. I've see both sides of that coin. Not to mention he could have had help. Think about it... the rules don't say anything about the mafia only being able to talk at night. In my experience on this site that is usually a stated fact. But it isn't.
Yeah so this was a bit of a reach... but still you had nothing to say to it. Not even calling me scum for suggesting it.

4. A leap? Really? And tell me you didn't just call yourself a mislynch...
4.1 For a leap, that post seemed pretty forced. Didn't sound like you.
I know your scum meta. You're playing to it this game.

4.2 A mislynch? Seriously, when someone calls themselves a mislynch, they are trying to look town. Town doesn't need to try to look like town.
I really don't like people calling themselves town unless they are claiming. Just comes off as way too scummy. You and Vel are both guilty of that this game. And we're only on page three.

5. Again, I have reasons for my vote. Unlike you, cause you're just squirming scum on page two. And you've twisted my words and actions twice in that post.
You keep misrepping like that and you're going to be able to make a living off of it. And not to mention ion your last post you refused to respond to me. Like you are afraid to slip. As you should be afraid, scum.


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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:02 am

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Nope.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:08 am

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Pine wrote:Nope.

You must really want me lynched. What, with all the effort you're
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:11 am

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You're putting a hell of a lot more effort into the case against you than I even need to.

Hush now. I've repeatedly stated that I will not engage you in your proposed genital measuring contest, so let others catch up and have their say. If my position needs clarification, in
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eyes, then I will be more than happy to do so.

But I don't argue with scum when I can help it.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:21 am

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Pine wrote:You're putting a hell of a lot more effort into the case against you than I even need to.

Hush now. I've repeatedly stated that I will not engage you in your proposed genital measuring contest, so let others catch up and have their say. If my position needs clarification, in
their
eyes, then I will be more than happy to do so.

But I don't argue with scum when I can help it.

Your position needs clarification from my eyes. Scum or not, you should at least try to defend yourself. So far, you've refused to do so numerous times. That's not being pro-
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