Mini 1313: Blood Bowl Mafia (Game over)

[Tierce]

@Tierce- Bad idea faking, since if Ghostlin is town, your obviously suspect.

Why?
You're again doing this thing. Stop laying soft suspicion on me. If you have doubts about be, be upfront with them.

Besides, lolwut. At least Glork's idea of me being scumbuddies with Ghostlin requires a bit more cunning than what you're suggesting.

Unvote

[Ghostlin]

Vote: Ghostlin

?


You're laying a vote on Ghostlin while threatening me with retribution if he flips town. Thanks for lining up lynches.

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch)
(3) Ghostlin – Tierce, Glork, PeregrineV
(1) pizzadudes7 – Slandaar

Not voting

: Dazzy, Ghostlin, inte, Malee, Pizzadudes7, StefanB

Deadline

: Saturday 31 March 20:00 CET

[StefanB]

Hello replacing in.
More in the afternoon, when I am at my home PC.

[Slandaar]

yeah

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PV

PV/Pizza/Malee seems like the scumteam.

[StefanB]

VLA on sunday, because my brother wrote a book, and now we are going with him to Leipzig with him

Let's start with thew obvious.

Tierce looks very town (bigest read), but I don't belive in the Ghostlincase that much.
Sorry don't feel it.

At the moment from the big three posters I am not so sure about Glork.
About Pizza, Glork you posted:

From what I remember, I'm not especially interested in Pizzadudes.

Neg. Pizza is town.

That's just how Pizza is. In Muppet Mafia (which was ruined by a scum player posting his role PM during D1, and no longer exists due to the site crash), he barely posted, barely voted, and didn't talk about much fo anything that didn't involve him directly.

AFAICT, that's just how he plays. Nothing to do with his alignment.

Also, do us both a favor and don't just be active. Contribute. Even if it seems insignificant, point out whatever you see/feel as it happens. You have virtually nothing to lose as town by doing so, and it helps people understand where you're coming from. Transparency is always your friend as town.


And yes, everyone, I'm coaching here. But this is town coaching town, not scum coaching scum.

How does that make a point about Pizza. It looks more like Pizza = null.

[StefanB]

Okay the other players there are a lot who leave little impresion, to tell you the truth.

Dazzy: I didn't remember you at all from reading trough day 1. Thought you were a replacement. Not much content.

Malee: Replacing in, put the vote on Kondi (leading wagon), need more.

inte: You are unlynchable day 1, why? Sorry has anyone you on more than null?

Those 3 have to stepp up, if town.

Sorry not a real analysing everyone, because that is for me a bit difficult with the archive (no ISO), but thanks to Tierce for having.
So only the 3 most okay posters and the ones I feel with the greatest improvement potential.

[StefanB]

Okay, the Peregrine point is good.
I understand that unvote.
But he is fencesitting on the whole Tierce/Ghostlinfight like hell.
Compresed.

Peregrine:
"I suspect Tierce, but lets follow her. I unvote, and see the attacker as scummy, but for some weird reason, I revote!"

Hm????????????

You are normally better than this.

Vote Peregrine

On the Ghostlinwaggon, the vote of Dazzy feels a bit of, Glork seems to have a weird Pizzaconection.

So that's for now, I will read day 1 (it is dificult without ISO) tomorrow a lot more activily.

Sorry for the 3 posts, my browser was acting strange shortly before post 1, so I posted 2 seperatly and then I looked at the more recent game.

[Glork]

OH MY FUCKING GOD, YOU PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN HOW TO READ.

Glork explain why Pizza is town

If you look at his interactions with Tierce yesterday, while he got a bit mixed up, his words ring very genuine. He's def a gobbo on our team. :V

I have NO idea why people are making a HUGE FUCKING DEAL about "Glork called Pizza town," when there are players who aren't posting or haven't contriubted (inte, Malee), players who have said/done patently scummy things (Ghostlin), and SEVERAL other things players have said about each other.

Experience tells me that Pizza's posts don't come from a scum mindset. That is ALL that I am going to say on the matter. Now please focus on finding scum and not "why is Glork calling Pizza protown."


GHOSTLIN: What do you think of inte? Why aren't you making more of an effort to discern HIS alignment? What do you think of Malee? Why have you BARELY SAID A WORD about either of these players instead of making false statements about Glork's play because you CAN'T BE FUCKING ARSED TO READ HIS POSTS?

[Glork]

EBWOP: *"...instead choosing to make false statements..."

[Glork]

Serious question to Slandaar, Ghostlin, and StefanB: Did you honestly think I just pulled a statement like "Pizza is protown" out of my ass with no reasoning? Did any of you actually read my Post 36 when Slandaar first asked? Did any of you go back and read Pizza's posts D1 and ask yourselves "does this interaction come from a scum-town or scum-scum mindset"?


I expect complete answers from all three of you. At least one of you is scum, and I'm going to figure out who.

[Glork]

Malee, you just posted in another game. Why are you continuing to ignore this one?

[Ghostlin]

GHOSTLIN: What do you think of inte? Why aren't you making more of an effort to discern HIS alignment? What do you think of Malee? Why have you BARELY SAID A WORD about either of these players instead of making false statements about Glork's play because you CAN'T BE FUCKING ARSED TO READ HIS POSTS?

Malee, inte and Pizza are all that depressing sea of null I get from slots that don't really do ANYTHING, Glork. That's why I'm fucking stymied you'd consider Pizza town. There's no false statement here. You have called Pizza Town this game, with your only defense that I can find is Pizza is town because this is Pizza and the genuine due to his interactions with Tierce remark. I like Tebow's slot a lot less, and have voted for it because of statements he made Day 1 refuting arguments without acutally coming up with stances.

You were somewhat defensive over someone calling you about the coaching; and you called it Town on Town coaching. HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW PIZZA IS TOWN? The statement implies you have a good tell or know Pizza's Town somehow.

You say Pizza is genuine due to this interactions with Tierce. In what way is Pizza 'genuine'? How do you know that Pizza isn't smart enough to formulate a defense or respond in a protown way?

Even then, explain to me how a slot that is not scumhunting is protown at all?

[Glork]

Yep, Ghostlin is confirmed scum.

[Glork]

However, I saw Malee viewing the forum and not posting.

So, active lurker lynch go.

Unvote
Vote: Malee

[StefanB]

Glork:
Did I think you pull somethink like "Pizza is protown", for no reason, well I didn't find the reason.
So I asked a bit more strongly to get the reaction.
I should have perhaps assumed that you had a reason posted that I didn't find/ did think he posted but didn't.
And since I didn't get the clear townread on you that others did, I mentioned it.


36 was a bit to hiden for me, so there was a mystery, now solved.
I did read yesterday but not really intense, because I tried to get in the game that I replaced in.
No notes so fine details escaped me and are marked for more time tomorrow/ weekend.
So no I didn't go back to read Pizza on day 1 exspecially, that was to much work for me today. (It is not so easy to do imho without ISO)

You took only more space in my intropost because the point took more words to make.
I mentioned you in the last post, because I don't see the "Ghostlin is scum." point, so I assume scum on the waggon.
I voted the worst vote, I mentioned the imho second weekeast vote and I mentioned you because I have some suspicion on you.

Why so paranoid?

Previewedid: Voting a lurker over confirmed scum in your opinion, hell why?

[Glork]

Not paranoid. Just annoyed. There is way too much going on (or not going on, in the case of inte/Malee) for 30% of the playerlist to be going on about one player calling another one protown.


I'll answer your question about the Malee vote later.

[StefanB]

Hm, sorry I won't ignore somethink that I consider strange.

I am not ignoring inte/Malee. (My post that they have to stepp up) I would add Dazzy to this group (okay he is better than day 1)

But it is allways easier to speak to players who are there.

[Ghostlin]

Glork, what are you feelings on PV and Dazzy? Let me redirect your attention for a minute.

[Ghostlin]

Sorry.

Unvote.

@Tierce- Bad idea faking, since if Ghostlin is town, your obviously suspect.

However, in my Newbie game here a player did that, but I kind of botched it by talking too much.

So, staying there for now, since 52 doesn't address the "why" near enough for me.

Vote: Ghostlin

Explain how it has to be 1v1 here; if I'm Town, Tierce is scum and vice versa. In my experience, gambits have sometimes caught Town in a Town spun net. (Literally Anything You Pick, for example.)

[Glork]

Dazzy seems to be working through his reads. His Ghostlinvote was based on the belief that Tierce had a guilty result, and he doesn't appear to be in a rush to wagonlynch people. I don't have any issues w/his play.

PV, once he read, checked in on what he saw. I don't think people are reading his "since if you're faking, people think you're suspect" comment. I believe (and PV can correct me if I'm wrong) that Tierce would have made a mistake had she

continued

to fake a guilty result. That she dropped it (and posted her "bluff" breadcrumb) at first mention of "I don't think you have a result" changes things. I don't have an issue with people continuing to apply pressure to these two, but I am alarmed that PV has gotten two votes (and additional attention) while people seem largely oblivious to Malee's obvious active-lurking.

[PeregrineV]

@Tierce- Bad idea faking, since if Ghostlin is town, your obviously suspect.

Why?
You're again doing this thing. Stop laying soft suspicion on me. If you have doubts about be, be upfront with them.

Besides, lolwut. At least Glork's idea of me being scumbuddies with Ghostlin requires a bit more cunning than what you're suggesting.

Unvote

[Ghostlin]

Vote: Ghostlin

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You're laying a vote on Ghostlin while threatening me with retribution if he flips town. Thanks for lining up lynches.

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch)
(3) Ghostlin – Tierce, Glork, PeregrineV
(1) pizzadudes7 – Slandaar

Not voting

: Dazzy, Ghostlin, inte, Malee, Pizzadudes7, StefanB

Deadline

: Saturday 31 March 20:00 CET

It's not that hard really. Lying as town is bad. It triggers the distrust instinct.

However, if you actually caught scum (see the link to the Newbie game), then I'm willing to forgive.
In this case, I think your LYING (still a bad idea, it triggers the distrust instinct) may have caught Ghostlin in his reaction to you (see link to the Newbie game).

However, because you don't have a real result, this is all based on play- yours and Ghostlin's. Right now, his bad reaction (see link) outweighs your lying.

[Slandaar]

"does this interaction come from a scum-town or scum-scum mindset"?

Why cant you be wrong on scumpizza?

[Glork]

I certaniliy can be. Fun fact, I never said I 'know' Pizza is protown (contrary to what Ghostlin wants us to believe). I have said "I think" and "I believe."

But, the odds are pretty dang small from where I'm sittng.




Slandaar, what do YOU think of Ghostlin?

[Slandaar]

town

I think you are town too

Malee wagons good.

[Johoohno]

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch)
(2) Ghostlin – Tierce, PeregrineV
(2) PeregrineV – Slandaar, StefanB
(1) Malee – Glork

Not voting

: Dazzy, Ghostlin, inte, Malee, pizzadudes7

Deadline

: Saturday 31 March 20:00 CET

[PeregrineV]

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