Open 379: JK9++ (Game Over)

[Candy Corn Vampire]

so do you think he's scummy or not.

[Fennin]

VOTE: Kondi

Hypoclaiming : If I'm the hider I'll hide behind Phillammon

[Candy Corn Vampire]

yeah there's something wrong here. this game started yesterday. VOTE: fennin

[Malee]

Putting Kondi at L-2, based on what exactly?

This is nonsense. *yawn*

[Phillammon]

WOAH WOAH WOAH UNVOTE: KONDI

I thought kondi looked scummier than the other candidates out there, but I'm sure as heck not gonna be responsible for a possible co-ordinated hammer that little into the game. Fennin, that looks a lot suspicious. I'm all for bandwagonning, but not this early on this flimsy an excuse. Though I'm flattered you reckon I'm worth hiding behind.

VOTE: Fennin

[Phillammon]

Sorry for all the votehopping, by the way. I'm being a bit reactionary, I realize.

[The Mini-Librarian]

@Kondi: yeah I read your defense. It was unconvincing to say the least.

@Fennin: How confident are you that Kondi is scum? Do you have any other reads? Why hide behind Phil?

[Phillammon]

IMO, Kondi is looking like fTown, everyone, not nearly in next lynch territory. The whole bandwagin against him was fairly flimsy to start off with, and the fact that Fennin is already hypoclaiming and shoving into L-2 territory, makes me less suspicious about Kondi to say the least. Hiding behind me I could attribute to me being particularly vocal, in a top post number, more posts than everyone but the top 5 put together, sort of way, but surely being talkative gives you an easier read, so you don't have to check me in lieu of using logic/instinct?

[Chevre]

Vote Count 1-2

(4) kondi2424 (Lord Mhork, Maruchan, The Mini-Librarian, Fennin)
(2) IceGuy (IceGuy, Lowell)
(2) Fennin (Candy Corn Vampire, Phillammon)
(1) Pizzadudes7 (Malee)
(1) The Mini-Librarian (kondi2424)

(3) Not Voting ( Chimera, glynman, Pizzadudes7)

With

13

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.
The deadline for Day 1 is

1 April 2012 @ 8:30am U.S. Central Standard Time

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Candy Corn Vampire: The presented Role PM is not verbatim but matches all concepts in the one presented on the JK9++ wiki page.

[Phillammon]

Gah, *town, *bandwagon, and why do you feel kondi was unconvincing? Apart from the whole slight possible delaying tactic with the request for old roles, there wasn't really anything legitimate there. I'm looking at Mhork's stuff again, and tbh, I'd probably have done the same as Kondi there- requesting the old roles does fairly thoroughly end any speculation as to the previous setup, even if speculation about the current setup was still rife. Being honest again, any arguments applying to Kondi probably apply moreso to me- Kondi is right when he says that I was planning on doing a quick role-confirmed-by-my-role chart, and I honestly thought TML, Kondi and Malee were trying to get things moving too. Apologies for all the double posts, I'll start proofing at some point soon...

[The Mini-Librarian]

The gist of Mhork's case was that Kondi was trying to seem protown by doing all these silly things. Kondi's response was either "it was fluff or it REALLY was protown." (when it clearly wasn't...)

All and all, Kondi is still my no. 1 suspect, though Fennin has some answering to do.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

all he did was answer phil's question and want to know what were the alignments of the last game. I'm not sure how that translates into trying to appear protown.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

Candy Corn Vampire: The presented Role PM is not verbatim but matches all concepts in the one presented on the JK9++ wiki page.

kk thank you chevre. just note guys that the hider could be roleblocked or investigated.

[Chimera]

I dunno if it's just me but I feel like I'm seeing a lot of talk and little content. Not really getting the turn onto Fennin there; pushing for a hypoclaim to happen isn't scummy, and if, at L-2, kondi got quickhammered we then have two scum caught...

I need to go reread the argument against kondi and his defense...

[Chimera]

....having now reread that...there's really nothing of value that I see. The entire case against kondi is built around "looking like he's doing stuff"...which at three and a half pages in and not really out of RVS is total crap. It's a fair point to use the same argument against Mhork...somewhat...but it's still a moot argument at that stage.

[Phillammon]

Agreed. How about we dissolve these bandwagons and work from there?

[Candy Corn Vampire]

it isn't that fennin is suspicious for pushing for a hypoclaim, it's that he's endorsing an early wagon with his second post and only five pages into the game.

You can also start posting some content now chimera because you haven't been doing it and apparently neither have we.

[The Mini-Librarian]

all he did was answer phil's question and want to know what were the alignments of the last game. I'm not sure how that translates into trying to appear protown.

He was trying to appear useful (which is protown) when really he wasn't. That's scum motivation.

Agreed. How about we dissolve these bandwagons and work from there?

There is literally no need to dissolve the wagons at this point. If we don't vote things don't get done. I'm not saying we should lynch anyone right now, but wagons are a neccessary part of this game.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

kondi has no delusion that he's being helpful, i assure you. this case is examining fluff in rvs stage, which is silly.

[Phillammon]

Sorry, dissolve was a bad choice of words. What I meant was: Let's not actually put any heads on the chopping block. Also, I did kinda request what he said. I have no delusions that it makes him scum or townie for helping a newb get to grips with a setup.

[kondi2424]

I like how my suspicion is going to be OMGUS no matter what because the people that are still pushing this are scum.

Fennin's pushing sucks, but TML's still scummier.

[Lord Mhork]

First off, kondi's response:

Hmm... I think, as I was late to the party, I'm going to try doing this without random voting. Instead, I give you these informations to look at.

Chevre, can you give us the old roles for each person?

While seeming not to be serious, I don't like this post. There's no relevancy to this question, provides no real information to work with, and generally seems to be a "Hey! I'm doing stuff!" post.

That post didn't do anything. See the bolded part in my next quote for explanation on why I posted this, if you really need it.

My point here was that you asked an irrelevant question. I don't see how the knowledge helps us in the slightest, and you didn't do anything to try to force the game out of RVS. That is why I called for suspicion.

I was just curious.

Anyway, TML looks town for trying to move the game along faster. Discuss.

This looks like more "I'm doing stuff" posting. I fail to see how The Mini-Librarian was moving the game forward in his first three posts. Would you mind explaining, kondi?

Once again, not sure how you missed this. Post #23 was trying to DIVERT from the discussion of last game and move onto the discussion of this game.

So you agree that the question was irrelevent and unhelpful... And still asked it? Is that right?

Hmm. On what do you base TML's townieness, and another, hypothetical point: Can certain PRs confirm the existence of others? Example: Commuters can confirm Hider's existence?

TML looks town for trying to move the game along faster.

And yes, but I hadn't thought of it that way before. It looks like 1-Shot Trackers know there's a regular Tracker alive, Doctors know there's a Jailkeeper if there's already a flipped Doctor, Commuters know there's a Hider, Vigs/Vengefuls know there's the other alive if one of their own is flipped, and Gunsmiths know there's a Rolecop if there's already a dead Gunsmith.

Again, more "Look at me!" posting. Look at the train of thought there. It's a wreck! It's terribly convoluted and doesn't produce any new information. Anyone could make those conclusions if they bothered to check the Opening Post. Why do you feel the need to state the obvious, kondi?

So... how is this scummy, exactly? Phill even said he was goind to do this in his next post if I hadn't already. What did you want me to comment on,

sir

? It feels like you were going to do this no matter what I posted.

VOTE: kondi2424

Ah, look at the tragic victim. "You were going to attack me no matter what I posted!" How did this logic jump occur, out of curiosity?

Responses bolded. Also, I'm pretty sure I could make you look scummy the same way using just that post.

Hmm... I think, as I was late to the party, I'm going to try doing this without random voting. Instead, I give you these informations to look at.

"Oh look I'm giving information instead of RVS! I'M SO USEFUL"

I like how you say you

could

make me scummy, thus giving yourself the moral high ground, yet still throw some dirt my way by attacking my attempt to move us from RVS.

I was in last game... but I didn't ask for it for the sake of scumhunting.

I do, however, like this post. I see no scum-motivated reason to correct CCV's statement, as it would only help kondi. You get town point for this one for "ballz points," as Maruchan said.

VOTE: Kondi

Hypoclaiming : If I'm the hider I'll hide behind Phillammon

You know what's awesome? Ending the day in the first 5 pages. Oh wait, the other thing...



Why so quick to try to get a lynch through?

Gah, *town, *bandwagon, and why do you feel kondi was unconvincing? Apart from the whole slight possible delaying tactic with the request for old roles,

there wasn't really anything legitimate there

. I'm looking at Mhork's stuff again, and tbh, I'd probably have done the same as Kondi there-

requesting the old roles does fairly thoroughly end any speculation as to the previous setup

, even if speculation about the current setup was still rife. Being honest again, any arguments applying to Kondi probably apply moreso to me-

Kondi is right when he says that I was planning on doing a quick role-confirmed-by-my-role chart

, and I honestly thought TML, Kondi and Malee were trying to get things moving too. Apologies for all the double posts,

I'll start proofing at some point soon...

The italics are defenses of kondi, real or soft, that bother me. Especially with him jumping from "OMG kondi Y U so scummy" to town-kondi. This looks rather opportunistic to me. Almost like he was looking for a way to slip away from his kondi scum-read.

Bolded bothers me greatly. Looks like a sneaky scum breadcrumbing a possible power role for later use. Plus, where did kondi say you were going to do that? I don't recall reading it in-thread.

Finally, the red raises about twelve different red flags to me. Stating you aren't proof-reading your posts looks bad, because it seems as though you are trying to make it obvious that you're obviously being honest.

[Lord Mhork]

Again, MafiaScum, I wasn't done posting.

Agreed. How about we dissolve these bandwagons and work from there?

This post irritates me as well, because it looks like he's trying to go back to square one. Only scum want to go backwards.

I likes Phillammon more than kondi right now.

UNVOTE: kondi2424

VOTE: Phillammon

[kondi2424]

But I thought you liked me the most?

I'll actually read what you wrote later.

[Maruchan]

WHAT FUCKING WIFOM?!?!?!?!A player asked a question that it was within my mental capacity to answer, and I answered. How the fuck is getting him an answer ASAP rather than making him wait WIFOM?God. At least explain it if you're going to cal lit something it isn't.

That's not what I call WIFOM. But this is :

(PS: Chevre said we could oust our old roles.

and I am decidedly much less happy about my new, non-scum role. >:(

)

To be clear about it ; since we all know who was scum in the previous game, if they drafted scum

again

, they can adjust their meta and play differently. And, oh surprise, that's what you are doing right now.

That's why this situation is WIFOM. Simply ...

Sigh. Wasn't this that one person that hated hated hated every time I mentioned the word meta.

Have I mentioned meta yet this game? (ANSWER: no)

Who was the first person to mention meta in relation to me? (ANSWER: The girl who hated me saying meta)



Anybody else find this quite odd.........