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[Phillammon]

Also, valid point on Fennin, but for now I'll keep my vote where it is.

[Lowell]

As a hider, I will hide behind MARUCHAN, who is obvtown. LORD MHORK is obvtown too.

unvote, vote phill

. Reactionary doesn't even begin to describe it.

[Maruchan]

So TML-Maru so far...

Yes lets totally get into the statistical improbability that we would both get scum again, and get into the common-sense-lacking where you honestly believe I would so blatantly align myself with my scum partner. You should know from this game, as well as past games of mine, that I am 100 times more likely to bus a partner than buddy them.

Back to my question, So do you think we have 5 scum then, since you said everybody fighting you was scum?

I'm assuming either you have a HUGE ego, or you're some PR that makes you feel that anyone who looks at you funny MUST be scum because you're so "obviously" town as this PR.

[Maruchan]

I like phillammon more than kondi aswell, but CCV moreso than both.

Maru, what's your actual reads instead of hypothetical reads based on flips?

Well, considering my vote was on you. And then it was on CCV, once could assume you were the two scummier of my reads.

Considering I find myself willing to sheep Librarian, and i gave Mhork towniepoints, one could assume I place them in the townier of my reads.

Considering I haven't said anything else about anyone, one could assume they are mostly null.

I find it amusing that you say phil is one of your scummier picks and then totally forget to mention it in the second half of your post.

I thought I said this already? I didn't find the need to say anything about phil as someone else put it nicely. I am not going to parrot same shit different page, that is pointless and useless?

[Maruchan]

kk thank you mhork

UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum

(once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized).

pow. but anyways, I'm attacking you because your reasoning is stupid. I don't know if kondi is scum or town, but i'm not going to vote him under the reasoning that he asked a not relevant question on page one and answered a newbie's question page 2.

And yet I have been accused of chainsaw defense a multitude of times before they have flipped, I believe i can accuse you of it too. Not everything in the wiki is set in stone hun. There is room for people with actual brains to wiggle and use what they find however they interpret it.

[Maruchan]

As a hider, I will hide behind MARUCHAN, who is obvtown. LORD MHORK is obvtown too.

unvote, vote phill

. Reactionary doesn't even begin to describe it.

I like some reasons with my reads. If its morning a nice glass of milk goes well with them too however.

Care to explain (both) your reads?

[Candy Corn Vampire]

oh i see, the person who came up with the tell doesn't have a brain. when you were accused of "chainsawing" before the defending party flipped were they correct about both of you?

[Maruchan]

I don't remember, tbh. I tuned the game out cuz it sucked, and I think it got lost in the crash.

[Lowell]

Explanations:
phill's a control freak who doesn't want to offend.
Maru has a town role PM.
Lord Mhork, just have a feeling.

[The Mini-Librarian]

@MOD (and everyone else): Limited access over the weekend.

Loling @ Maru's push on CCV for chainsawing when he could easily be accused for chainsawing right now. Bad push is bad. Come back to Kondi Maru.

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Mah list o reads

scum-
kondi

scummy-
Fennin
phil

town-
ccv
maru
mhork

Large mass of gray-
everyone else

[kondi2424]

So TML-Maru so far...

Yes lets totally get into the statistical improbability that we would both get scum again, and get into the common-sense-lacking where you honestly believe I would so blatantly align myself with my scum partner. You should know from this game, as well as past games of mine, that I am 100 times more likely to bus a partner than buddy them.

Back to my question, So do you think we have 5 scum then, since you said everybody fighting you was scum?

I'm assuming either you have a HUGE ego, or you're some PR that makes you feel that anyone who looks at you funny MUST be scum because you're so "obviously" town as this PR.

Top paragraph is self-meta.

Where did I say everybody fighting me was scum? I have a town read on Mhork.

PR-fishing/twisting words in the third paragraph.

Explanations:
phill's a control freak who doesn't want to offend.
Maru has a town role PM.
Lord Mhork, just have a feeling.

Please explain Maru for me, as I'm not seeing it.

[Maruchan]

@MOD (and everyone else): Limited access over the weekend.

Loling @ Maru's push on CCV for chainsawing when he could easily be accused for chainsawing right now. Bad push is bad. Come back to Kondi Maru.

who am I chainsaw defending?

[Maruchan]

Explanations:
phill's a control freak who doesn't want to offend.
Maru has a town role PM.
Lord Mhork, just have a feeling.

real explanations please.

[Maruchan]

I like how my suspicion is going to be OMGUS no matter what because the people that are still pushing this are scum.

[kondi2424]

That was you, TML, and Fennin, if I recall. Mhork wasn't really pushing anything at that point, he just got it started.

[kondi2424]

yeah there's something wrong here. this game started yesterday. VOTE: fennin

Putting Kondi at L-2, based on what exactly?

This is nonsense. *yawn*

If and when Kondi or either of these two ever flips scum, I will be looking at the remaining two.

You're saying the wagon wasn't fast at all, then?

[Maruchan]

That was you, TML, and Fennin, if I recall. Mhork wasn't really pushing anything at that point, he just got it started.

fennin was pushing?

Fennin 2012-03-15 14:17:10 0 days 19 hours 2


saywut?

2 posts?

[Maruchan]

yeah there's something wrong here. this game started yesterday. VOTE: fennin

Putting Kondi at L-2, based on what exactly?

This is nonsense. *yawn*

If and when Kondi or either of these two ever flips scum, I will be looking at the remaining two.

You're saying the wagon wasn't fast at all, then?

did I say that at all? No. It was fast, but THEIR reactions were over-the-top.

[kondi2424]

VOTE: Kondi

Hypoclaiming : If I'm the hider I'll hide behind Phillammon

Yes, pushing. You should know, this happened to you.

yeah there's something wrong here. this game started yesterday. VOTE: fennin

Putting Kondi at L-2, based on what exactly?

This is nonsense. *yawn*

If and when Kondi or either of these two ever flips scum, I will be looking at the remaining two.

You're saying the wagon wasn't fast at all, then?

did I say that at all? No. It was fast, but THEIR reactions were over-the-top.

But justified, no? Explain why a townie wouldn't make those posts.

[Chimera]

And yet I have been accused of chainsaw defense a multitude of times before they have flipped, I believe i can accuse you of it too. Not everything in the wiki is set in stone hun. There is room for people with actual brains to wiggle and use what they find however they interpret it.

Accusations based on a chainsaw defense are completely invalid at this point. Just because others have accused you of chainsaw before flips doesn't make it valid.

But justified, no? Explain why a townie wouldn't make those posts.

I sort of pointed this out earlier...but at that stage of the game there isn't much to base a wagon on (specifically for Malee's reaction), so the whole point of pushing a wagon to L-2, especially in this case (with hypoclaiming), is to draw some info and cause discussion. Take Phil's unvote. It doesn't make a huge amount of sense, imo. Like I said earlier having two scum quick-lynch would be the epitome of retarded and therefore there's little reason for town to panic about having someone at L-2. The wagon existed to get info, Phil was on the wagon (presumably) for this reason, and yet at the point where the most info would come he backed out. And was contradicting himself by doing so. Here he posted saying he thought there shouldn't be more votes on Kondi, Iceguy said another would be fine, and then here Phil basically agrees. Four posts later Phil freaks out over another vote on Kondi. This makes no sense for a townie to do....


VOTE: Phil

[Phillammon]

Thought I explained this, but: I agreed that another vote would be fine. That early, less so. Especially given the earlier comments about not putting anyone onto L-2 before the hypoclaim was done, plus, as I said, I went over the accusations again, and realized that they weren't as solid as I'd first thought. The fact Fennin was so nonchalant about putting him on L-2 given the earlier discussion was the main thing I was worried about, tbh.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

phil what exactly are your reads at this point.

[Phillammon]

At this point, my reads are that one of Maru and Kondi is probably scum, if not both, due to their prolonged arguments, though it could be townie infighting, with Fennin and Mhork looking a touch iffy, Fennin for the nonchalance earlier and Mhork's arguments against Kondi being very shaky, but honestly, my arguments are even worse than his, so my reads are worse than useless.

[Phillammon]

Plus, my reads are at odds with nearly everyone else, which doesn't help. I could use some justifications from some other people, if only because I'm blind to tells.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

jegus, you're confused and you're self depreciating. maybe you should acquaint yourself with the wiki or read an already completed game.