Open 379: JK9++ (Game Over)

[Chevre]

Vote Count 1-5

(4) Maruchan (kondi2424, Lord Mhork, Fennin, Phillammon)
(2) Phillammon (Lowell, Chimera)
(2) Fennin (Candy Corn Vampire, IceGuy)
(1) kondi2424 (The Mini-Librarian)
(1) Candy Corn Vampire (Maruchan)

(3) Not Voting (glynman, Pizzadudes7, Malee)

With

13

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.
The deadline for Day 1 is

1 April 2012 @ 8:30am U.S. Central Standard Time

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[Phillammon]

@Mod: Mow am I voting Maru and not voting, and where is Malee?

[Chevre]

It has been fixed.

[Malee]

What a mess ...

VOTE: Fennin

You jumped on kondi's wagon, missed Phil's wagon and now you are jumping on Maru's wagon. Onther than that, what do you have to say?

If you flip scum then I'd have doubts about Phil, and that may enable that old theory about Phil and Chimera being scum together. I'm confident about this. Oh and that would mean Kondi and Maru are town.

[The Mini-Librarian]

So Phil and Fennin have moved up the scum ladder past Kondi for the time being.

VOTE: Fennin

Bigger wagon here.

The Maru wagon is SOOOO scummy. Everyone needs to get off.

[Phillammon]

I'm not convinced I want to abandon the Maru wagon yet, and I'm definitely not going for Fennin 'til he defends himself.

[Maruchan]

I will do a single wall-post rather than my normal post-post-post-post

Could you define wishy washy for me? I'm basically just saying that you and Kondi look scummy, Fennin looks scummy but hasn't posted much

THESE aren't wishy washy. THESE are decent reads. Thank you.

or go directly against a more experienced player's read

Why did I ever unvote?

Vote: Phil

This quote is read as "start any major debates on my reads, since they aren't real reads, and I don't want to have to try to defend them against someone with experience, and ACTUAL reads, as I know they will win"

At least thats how my mind read it. Anyone else?

Maru is more obvscum than TML at this point. VOTE: Maruchan

Yay for more reads without explanations!

VOTE: Maruchan

Best wagon so far. And a serious vote. What does post count says? Nothing. You're a show off mate. Let's lynch this guys, one scum less and a hell of information, all these people saying Maru is obv town are not sane!

Did I ever say post count meant anything?

And thsi si your third post, with your second jump on a bandwagon? Hai scum.

VOTE: Maru onto L-4, and waiting for an explanation on both of Fennin's non-random votes. Until then,

FoS Fennin

. (Unrelated, your wording looks a little awkward. Is English your first language?)

Vote: Townie FoS: Scumpartner

If IceGuy or TML are scum, I will eat a dirty sock.

I have no clue why anyone is voting maru.

HERP DERP MARUCHAN IS VOTING FOR A CLAIMED VIGILANTE HE MUST BE SCUM BECAUSE VIGILANTE IS AUTO CONFIRMED AS SOON AS HE CLAIMS

thats why.

I'm not convinced I want to abandon the Maru wagon yet, and I'm definitely not going for Fennin 'til he defends himself.

He didn't defend himself last time.
What makes you think he will this time?



GOD I CAN'T DECIDE WH OIS SCUMMIER!!! Phil or Fennin.

FTAO People Wanting Phil or Fennin Wagons Today:
Whichever wagon gets closer to a lynch, I will vote. Consider my vote on BOTH of them. As I want either one of them gone today.


@Whoever claimed they saw the phil "MY role chart" 'breadcrumb' and 'knew he was town'

It works just as well read 'scumslip' and 'knew he was scum' I believe. Coming from my last-game-experience, scum roles can narrow the game down to one of 2-3 scum setups, leaving only the question of which town roles were chosen. This role-chart of Phil's could just as easily, and is more likely, scum-chart than town-chart. Being a town PR, you know nothing other than 1 or 2 of a certain letter was chosen. Being SCUM you know either 3, 4, or 5 town PRs exist, and then you can make a chart of each possible letter combination to figure out what they are.

[Lord Mhork]

Okay. All I've got is possible scum on a subset of Kondi, Maru and Fennin. Probably not Fennin, tbh, and Pizzadudes and IceGuy are on shaky ground until there's some actual content to work on. I'm less suspicious than I ordinarily would be about my wagon, given I did indeed look very scummy.

God you have the most wishy washy reads I have ever seen in my life.

I for one, won't unvote, as I am not so sure i totally believe you're claim. The breadcrumb was made way later than an average breadcrumb should be, and it is just as easy for scum to breadcrumb vig as it is for a vig. And vig is a safe role for scum to breadcrumb because they can "prove it"

Ok, I believe this is a somewhat scummy post. All Maruchan does here is through doubt on this claim, for rather small reasons too, such as that the breadcrumb was 'too late' and it's really easy for scum to breadcrumb vig. I disagree, by the way, Maruchan. I think serial killer is more likely to claim vigilante than scum. People get suspicious if there aren't enough deaths happening. My point is that you really didn't give any real reasoning as to why you think the claim is fake.

VOTE: Maruchan

Best wagon so far. And a serious vote. What does post count says? Nothing. You're a show off mate. Let's lynch this guys, one scum less and a hell of information, all these people saying Maru is obv town are not sane!

OHAI! Who are you again? Why is Maruchan scum to you? And was that post count thing directed at me? If so, I resent being called a show off! Also, why do you think everyone saying Maruchan is town are scummy?

VOTE: Maru onto L-4, and waiting for an explanation on both of Fennin's non-random votes. Until then,

FoS Fennin

. (Unrelated, your wording looks a little awkward. Is English your first language?)

Vote: Townie FoS: Scumpartner

Why is Maruchan obv-town to you? I do, however, agree that Fennin is a rather scummy fish. Why the scum read on Phillammon?

I have no clue why anyone is voting maru.

Here's a hint, he's acting kinda scummy.

So Phil and Fennin have moved up the scum ladder past Kondi for the time being.

VOTE: Fennin

Bigger wagon here.

The Maru wagon is SOOOO scummy. Everyone needs to get off.

Vehemently disagree with you here. Except for Fennin, I have a townish read on the entire Maruchan wagon. I definitely can see the merit in a Fennin wagon, though.

@Fennin

Any real opinions? Or are you like a parrot? *Squawk!!! Wagon! Squawk!!!*

[Chimera]

This is madness!

Phil is starting to look like he's walking on eggs, trying to meet demands and not step on anyone's toes.
As has been pointed out ad nauseum, Fennin has done nothing but throw votes and the popular target.
Maru isn't acting scummy. I fail to see how not believing a claim is scummy...and on that note I'm not a huge fan of breadcrumbing in general so I'm not sure of what I think about that claim. And Maru, why

did

you change back to CCV?
Malee is being unusually quiet...just as an observation.
CCV, how did I do that? At the time of my calling him town he looked pretty darn town. And then stuff happened. And then he stopped looking so townish and leaking scumminess everywhere. If you think reads shouldn't change during a game (which seems to be the source of your question) you're doing it wrong.
Glynman and Pizza, where are you guys?

I'm staying with phil for the time being, although I have no opposition whatsoever to a Fennin lynch. Just, as mhork said, we have two weeks here. Let's not be hasty.

[Maruchan]

Okay. All I've got is possible scum on a subset of Kondi, Maru and Fennin. Probably not Fennin, tbh, and Pizzadudes and IceGuy are on shaky ground until there's some actual content to work on. I'm less suspicious than I ordinarily would be about my wagon, given I did indeed look very scummy.

God you have the most wishy washy reads I have ever seen in my life.

I for one, won't unvote, as I am not so sure i totally believe you're claim. The breadcrumb was made way later than an average breadcrumb should be, and it is just as easy for scum to breadcrumb vig as it is for a vig. And vig is a safe role for scum to breadcrumb because they can "prove it"

Ok, I believe this is a somewhat scummy post. All Maruchan does here is through doubt on this claim, for rather small reasons too, such as that the breadcrumb was 'too late' and it's really easy for scum to breadcrumb vig. I disagree, by the way, Maruchan. I think serial killer is more likely to claim vigilante than scum. People get suspicious if there aren't enough deaths happening. My point is that you really didn't give any real reasoning as to why you think the claim is fake.

Your definition of scum is different then mine.

Mine is: scum= Not town
SK=scum by my definition.

And i obv think the claim is fake because i think he is scum, and that doesn't go away due to his claim. That should be rather self-obvious.

I have no clue why anyone is voting maru.

Here's a hint, he's acting kinda scummy.

Here's another hint: ZOMG MARU REFUSED TO UNVOTE BECAUSE SCUMMY GUY CLAIMED PR HE MUST BE SCUM CUZ PR CLAIM AUTO MAKES HIM INNOCENT NO MATTER THE PAST SCUMMIENESS.

thats why there is a wagon on me more like.

[Maruchan]

And Maru, why

did

you change back to CCV?

one of those "Ah fuck it, everyone else is unvoting so this phil wagon is unlikely to gain any more steam today, so why stick to a dead horse" and CCV was my only other scum-read (at the time)

[Candy Corn Vampire]

what happened to kondi, maru?

[Candy Corn Vampire]

If you think reads shouldn't change during a game (which seems to be the source of your question) you're doing it wrong.

readings change, but i rarely throw around the term "obvious townie" without sticking to it. I find it especially strange when your reasoning on voting him is suspect.

[Phillammon]

Maru, you have a point when you say that people shouldn't jump off a wagon just because there's a claim. Indeed, several people have stayed on specifically because they didn't believe me. The problem being, you are not one of them. You jumped off because I wasn't going anywhere, onto CCV, who so far has had very little put against them and no votes- ie going even less far than my wagon- then jumped back on to me, where there had been no new votes on me and the wagon was still at a standstill. On an unrelated point, you're right, he probably won't defend himself unless under pressure, so I'm upgrading my FoS to a "Vote if it gets big enough". This puts Fennin at L-3 with Chimera, Maru and myself (I think) all supporting the lynch without voting on it until it goes big.

[Malee]

Malee is being unusually quiet...just as an observation.

Used to see me posting a lot more than that isn't? Without telling the tale of my life, I just don't have the same amount of time to spend on mafiascum as I did before.

[Maruchan]

what happened to kondi, maru?

As I said to you earlier, which was my original reason for calling you scum, cases based on shit-all is what starts the game going. This game is going. The game was started out of RVS by a case on kondi. Kondi's case was shit-all RVS reasons that are but tiny blips on a scumdar, but when there is nothing yet, those tiny blips were all that could be seen at the time.

AKA: Kondi did a handful of things that were so minorly scummy that they don't really matter other than in RVS, when nobody else has done anything. He has since redeemed himself from those tiny things.

[Maruchan]

Maru, you have a point when you say that people shouldn't jump off a wagon just because there's a claim. Indeed, several people have stayed on specifically because they didn't believe me. The problem being, you are not one of them. You jumped off because I wasn't going anywhere, onto CCV, who so far has had very little put against them and no votes- ie going even less far than my wagon- then jumped back on to me, where there had been no new votes on me and the wagon was still at a standstill. On an unrelated point, you're right, he probably won't defend himself unless under pressure, so I'm upgrading my FoS to a "Vote if it gets big enough". This puts Fennin at L-3 with Chimera, Maru and myself (I think) all supporting the lynch without voting on it until it goes big.

less than 12 hours and you changed your FOS to an intent-to-vote to save your own ass.

How can you be any scummier?

[Maruchan]

Malee is being unusually quiet...just as an observation.

Used to see me posting a lot more than that isn't? Without telling the tale of my life, I just don't have the same amount of time to spend on mafiascum as I did before.

I know the feeling. Hope you come back to us soon <3

[Phillammon]

I fail to see how intent to vote on Fennin is saving my own ass- it was genuinely to put him under pressure to explain himself. It feels a little too much like a lurker lynch, albeit one with very scummy tendencies, is the only problem I see here.

[IceGuy]

I fail to see how intent to vote on Fennin is saving my own ass- it was genuinely to put him under pressure to explain himself. It feels a little too much like a lurker lynch, albeit one with very scummy tendencies, is the only problem I see here.

Don't you think the other votes are already enough?

[Lowell]

maru is a really stupid wagon.

In other news, I'll be out until Thursday. Apologies.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

As I said to you earlier, which was my original reason for calling you scum, cases based on shit-all is what starts the game going. This game is going. The game was started out of RVS by a case on kondi. Kondi's case was shit-all RVS reasons that are but tiny blips on a scumdar, but when there is nothing yet, those tiny blips were all that could be seen at the time.

AKA: Kondi did a handful of things that were so minorly scummy that they don't really matter other than in RVS, when nobody else has done anything. He has since redeemed himself from those tiny things.

I thought you said I was scum cause I was chainsawing for my scum pal kondi . I told you i play different don't hate on me.

phil fyi FOSing is stoopid and more common of scum than town.

lowell what are your thoughts on other people at this point (seeing as you are going to be v/la)?

[Phillammon]

I fail to see how intent to vote on Fennin is saving my own ass- it was genuinely to put him under pressure to explain himself. It feels a little too much like a lurker lynch, albeit one with very scummy tendencies, is the only problem I see here.

Don't you think the other votes are already enough?

Apparently not, given he's still not here. So I guess my ItV is/was useless.

[Maruchan]

As I said to you earlier, which was my original reason for calling you scum, cases based on shit-all is what starts the game going. This game is going. The game was started out of RVS by a case on kondi. Kondi's case was shit-all RVS reasons that are but tiny blips on a scumdar, but when there is nothing yet, those tiny blips were all that could be seen at the time.

AKA: Kondi did a handful of things that were so minorly scummy that they don't really matter other than in RVS, when nobody else has done anything. He has since redeemed himself from those tiny things.

I thought you said I was scum cause I was chainsawing for my scum pal kondi . I told you i play different don't hate on me.

phil fyi FOSing is stoopid and more common of scum than town.

lowell what are your thoughts on other people at this point (seeing as you are going to be v/la)?

No, I said you were chainsaw defending kondi, I never called him your partner. go re-read.

[Lowell]

Granted I didn't give the most thorough case ever, but I'm sort of surprised more people haven't joined the phillwagon on their own accord.