D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[PeregrineV]

@Shadow- I received notification that day 1 started.

[Foxace36]

Magna is either scum pushing too hard or a very deluded townie.



Ffs, I need to get to a PC to read the original thread.

[Andrius]

I figured out how to download the zip so I did that. I'll read and post tonight

since LoL will be down

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[SleepyKrew]

ANDY GAH I CANT USE YOUR NICKNAME BECAUSE YOU DIDNT REPLACE IN
who's scum Andy?

[DeathNote]

~I can confirm that not everyone received a prod.~

[Iecerint]

Iecerint would like people to comment on whether prods were received in spite of the mod confirmation.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@ANDY

– GOD DAMN IT STOP PLAYING FUCKING LOL AND POST UP IN THIS BITCH. I’M TIRED OF SLAPPING AROUND THE SCUM AND MORONS WITH ONLY SHADOW AS TOWN TO HELP ME!!!

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dear god
the cache is sucking my will to live

Either post content or eat Blasterfire Sleepy. My tolerance for 'Lulz, I'ma play like this cause I can" is at an all-time low.

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Magna is either scum pushing too hard or a very deluded townie.

Oh, so you know for certain that Slandaar is just a horrible player as opposed to scum? Hmmm … what alignment player would be in a position to know that for certain?

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I dont care about 1v1, SD is better vote than you...

So your 1v1 talk was all fluff after all. Not surprising.

You make it sound like I have not clearly stated I think SD is scum also

What is the issue with me voting SD a scum read and not you Magna? what is my scum motivation behind it?

Oh I’ve been waiting for this from you –

Prove I said that you didn’t think SD was scum and that I ever said I had a problem with you voting?

If you can’t prove it with quotes you are obviously scum lying and making crap up.

Seriously – prove it with direct quotes!

Of course you know very well that I have been demonstrating that all your 1v1 talk is just fluff that you hoped would distract people.

On another front – no response at all to the obvious Cognitive Dissonance you were showing in Post 116. Or just going to duck that like too?

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It's all WIFOM to me- or perhaps a better word/phrase would be 'irrelevant'.

Maybe when he first posted in this thread, is when he first checked up on the status of the game?

How am I to know this happened, or whether he in fact just lurked until he posted?

I'm not, and therefore it won't have any bearing on whether I think he is scum or not.

I'm kind of surprised that it seems that way for others though. It's baffling.

Oh, so someone not posting under pressure is irrelevant to their possible alignment?

What do you then think of Slandaar’s accusations against Fennin that I recovered from the archive at Post 116? Why didn’t you speak out about the irrelevancy of that accusation when it occurred?

[SleepyKrew]

Actually that was me saying that I'm still catching up. I don't think I've started playing yet.

[Kdub]

What are your thoughts on Slaandar Kdub?

I don't find Slandaar to be scummy. The "avoiding the thread" thing seems circumstantial, and I seem to remember his pre-crash reads being somewhat in agreement with my own. Do you have meta that suggests he lurks more as scum? If so, perhaps that could change my opinion, but I'm unconvinced at the moment.

I disagree wholeheartedly with your suggestion that Fennin voted Slan for anything other than Slan's bad vote on Malee for giving content. And also your stance that he admitted it wasn't content isn't valid - he says it was 'MORE' a summary. The important word is more.

I don't think the word "more" really matters. He was admitting that Malee's post was a summary rather than analysis, and whether it was "more" of her post as opposed to all of her post doesn't change the primary point of that sentence. Besides that, the fact that he was unwilling to address this issue afterwards and instead tried to focus on the breadcrumb thing suggests to me that he didn't have a good response to it. I mean, if his intent really was what you are suggesting, why wouldn't he just say that and be done with it?

OK, having read it all there's nothing more to add for now...

Just to every one not in {Iec, Slan, myself}: In case DN does not answer, please state whether you received a prod when this thread came back online.

No I did not receive a prod, but I had responded in the reboot signup thread and was following that.

[Slandaar]

Either post content or eat Blasterfire Sleepy. My tolerance for 'Lulz, I'ma play like this cause I can" is at an all-time low.

Ironic this is slot Malee isn't it?

Oh, so you know for certain that Slandaar is just a horrible player as opposed to scum? Hmmm … what alignment player would be in a position to know that for certain?

Im Neither

So your 1v1 talk was all fluff after all. Not surprising.

I have already said I wanted to see YOUR belief in YOUR read, you fell short.

Prove I said that you didn’t think SD was scum and that I ever said I had a problem with you voting?

If you can’t prove it with quotes you are obviously scum lying and making crap up.

Seriously – prove it with direct quotes!

I said 'it sounds like' prove where I said you said this

If you can’t prove it with quotes you are obviously scum lying and making crap up.

Seriously – prove it with direct quotes!

Of course you know very well that I have been demonstrating that all your 1v1 talk is just fluff that you hoped would distract people.

There was a purpose to it.

On another front – no response at all to the obvious Cognitive Dissonance you were showing in Post 116. Or just going to duck that like too?

Its not cognitive dissonance because the 2 situations are different.

The reason your accusations so ridiculous is because you think I think I would lurk

untill I am called out

then instantly reappear (which makes it look like I lurked - why would I do that as scum?). When there is no reason to believe that over any other version of events one of which is the truth (I didnt know thread existed)

Oh, so someone not posting under pressure is irrelevant to their possible alignment?

So heres where the post count comes in. I was under some pressure previous to crash and was posting the most in the game which completely contradicts the idea I as scum lurk out of suspicion. Now, taken into consideration why is my version of events (the truth) so unbelievable? why are you basically saying I am lying with no proof?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I have already said I wanted to see YOUR belief in YOUR read, you fell short.

And I’ve said you are scum fluffing a 1 v 1 who isn’t willing to commit to your fake-read on me as scum. So you fell short, as usual.

There was a purpose to it.

Yup. You were scum trying desperately to do anything to get the attention off yourself with fake fluff!

The reason your accusations so ridiculous is because you think I think I would lurk untill I am called out then instantly reappear (which makes it look like I lurked - why would I do that as scum?). When there is no reason to believe that over any other version of events one of which is the truth (I didnt know thread existed)

It burns when you get caught and can only keep repeating “I’m an incompetent moron who could not click the Theme Park link and see the thread or click the Reboot Queue thread I posted in for a status update. Yup, I can’t do something MoI’s 7 year old daughter can pull off” as your only defense, huh?

I said 'it sounds like' prove where I said you said this

If you can’t prove it with quotes you are obviously scum lying and making crap up.

Seriously – prove it with direct quotes!

So you admit you can’t back up your statement and admit to being a lying scum-bag with this dodge response when you accuse others of being scum for doing the same (as you did with Shadow in the first thread)? Cognitive Dissoance away!!!!

MORE SLANDAAR VOTES PLEASE – HE’S JUST DIRECTLY CLAIMED SCUM.

I was under some pressure previous to crash and was posting the most in the game which completely contradicts the idea I as scum lurk out of suspicion. Now, taken into consideration why is my version of events (the truth) so unbelievable? why are you basically saying I am lying with no proof?

No, it doesn’t contradict it at all. The break and resurrection in the thread allowed you an opportunity to do so. Your alternate suggestion is that you are completely incompetent and were unable to click on threads other than bookmarks / subscriptions for multiple days. You are the one who keeps making the argument that you aren’t an idiot but your explanation at how you possibly missed the thread revolves solely on you being one. See I’m giving you credit for being scum actively trying out a tactic as opposed to a derp. Maybe that's a mistake on my part.

[Slandaar]

Now onto why SD is scum

Whatever Malees alignment is taken into consideration with the fact I am town.
Where do scums view lie re my accusation vs Malee?
Team Malee.

So now we are getting somewhere, Scum are more likely to take her side because it is in principle the 'right' side. They are not going to go out on a limb on my side.

So who was on side Malee

SD/Fennin/Magna... maybe someone im forgetting

Then we get the lurking accusation... SD thinks I lied about my pm but fails to vote me. Now, its very black and white, either he thinks I lied meaning I HAVE to be scum therefore he should vote me or I am telling the truth and its all null.... Strange.

The lurking accusation at first glace looks ok, I know this, but if you think about it, its actually ridiculous, which shows SD didnt think about it.

If we look back early on we can see he is pretty meh about his vote on me, he then makes a weak vote in context on NC? hes basically moving the game backwards by doing so. Was his vote on me initially not very serious? what was he doing during this time then?

So we get the conclusion he doesn't really think about his 'scumhunting' (noone would ever lie about the pm thing as its mod confirmable) he failed to check his pm to see if im telling the truth (he didnt really care) hes taking the sides scum would in arguments and finally he started the initial Slandaar lurk stuff but has completely tailed off since Magna appeared in thread.

Vote SD

hes not town.

anyone who doesnt think SD is scum can explain why, yes I didnt use quotes here I am lazy, but this is why SD is pretty obvscum.

[Slandaar]

So you admit you can’t back up your statement and admit to being a lying scum-bag with this dodge response when you accuse others of being scum for doing the same (as you did with Shadow in the first thread)? Cognitive Dissoance away!!!!

MORE SLANDAAR VOTES PLEASE – HE’S JUST DIRECTLY CLAIMED SCUM.

lol

You are being so ridiculous... you are tunneling so hard... You are not reading things correctly.

I have started to think you are town.

[Slandaar]

Magna Read and stop being so ludicrous. Vote SD.

I don't think you are scum? I'm voting you and holding your feet to the fire.

But Shadow is a better vote than me when you think I'm scum? One of us is afraid to support their position that the other is scum. It's not me.

You make it sound like I have not clearly stated I think SD is scum also

What is the issue with me voting SD a scum read and not you Magna? what is my scum motivation behind it?

Prove I said that you didn’t think SD was scum

I said 'it sounds like'

What did I say...

You make it sound like I have not clearly stated I think SD is scum also

Magna says:

So you admit you can’t back up your statement and admit to being a lying scum-bag with this dodge response when you accuse others of being scum for doing the same (as you did with Shadow in the first thread)? Cognitive Dissoance away!!!!

MORE SLANDAAR VOTES PLEASE – HE’S JUST DIRECTLY CLAIMED SCUM.

ps, you never did tell me why I should be voting you over SD???

[ooba]

Sorry, I got addicted to boardgamegeek during the site break and forgot about this for the last two days - I'm back to my usual posting self (I hope) …

Things of note in new thread:

I did not receive a prod for the game.

Shadow

+: Calling out Nero for vote on Iece
-: Reducing Fennin's case to "breadcrumb=scummy"

Slandaar

Seems different somehow. I'll attribute it to the fact that "loss of thread"+"posting gap" is disorienting.
Slandaar vs SD reminds me of this exchange:
- Elmo votes me for not posting
- I post soon thereafter (coincidence)
- He says it is indicative of scum
- My thoughts at that time were "Rotten Logic. I would have never done that as scum (i.e the timing of it all)"

Nero:

-: Has mentioned his vote in this thread was RVS or non serious. But then calls out SD for "chainsawing" implying SD and Iece are partners and he called Iece as scum.
Addn: Shifting this to neutral because his definition of chainsaw is different from mine: "A chainsaw is player C attacks player B for attacking player A.

A and C are scumbuddies

". Will have to check if Nero sticks to this definition of "chainsaw" in other games.

- WC's 75 reminds me of LC's post in Battle for Olympus. A small post damaging the credibility of one player while seemingly looking "active".

Foxace

(who replaced Vincent):
-: Attacking Iece for post-restriction slippage
-: Reading the gist and calling Magna vs Slandaar TvT (or TvsScumTryingTooHard)

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@Magna:
- Fennin was (is) no where to be seen. WC's notes were interesting but I wanted to see it's conclusion (i.e his scum list) before I open up the zip.
- I also think you're wrong about Slaandar. I'd like to point out the logical vs emotional theory I had earlier. Can see parallels with respect to Chess and Gandalf in BoM. (I'm not sure if I responded to SD's statement about chess being a "troll" that game; I thought he wasn't trolling and was trying hard to scumhunt until called out)

Unvote.Vote: WC

on account of being my #2 suspect in the earlier thread and post 75 in this one. I also have my reservations against post 21 in this thread but I'll wait till you finish and reply to it en masse.

[Slandaar]

I like a WC vote btw

He was clearly just parroting what Magna said earlier.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Wrath

– what happened to that analysis you were going to do?

Elmo needs to post in thread or get prodded ASAP since he is likewise posting all over the site while not posting here.

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Slandaar vs SD reminds me of this exchange:

So ooba – are you saying you have never seen scum dodge posting in a thread under pressure? I just want to be clear because you are bending over backwards to make an excuse for every stance and action Slandaar takes.

Also – why is it SD versus Slandaar on this issue when I was the player who originated the observation?

Also – why is Nero’s re-RVS vote scummy but Peregrine’s not?

- I also think you're wrong about Slaandar. I'd like to point out the logical vs emotional theory I had earlier. Can see parallels with respect to Chess and Gandalf in BoM. (I'm not sure if I responded to SD's statement about chess being a "troll" that game; I thought he wasn't trolling and was trying hard to scumhunt until called out)

And I’ve said my piece on this – you can’t have it both ways. You can’t dismiss my issues with Slandaar as playstyle differences and thus not valid while you simultatneosly had suspicion on Malee who was a logical style player and not consider your problem with her to be a similar playstyle difference. If you can read Emotional players better than Logical players can it stands to reason that Logical players can read other logical players better than you can, does it not?

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You are being so ridiculous... you are tunneling so hard... You are not reading things correctly.

I have started to think you are town.

Wait, whut?

I was obv-scum who couldn’t possibly be a Townie because I voted obv-Town you and kept calling your Malee vote absurd.

Now because I’m on to you and not letting up you think I’m possibly Town? Backing away from the scum read on me in hopes that I will lower my scum read on you?

Here is what you said in Post 113 –

You make it sound like I have not clearly stated I think SD is scum also

What is the issue with me voting SD a scum read and not you Magna? what is my scum motivation behind it?

You are claiming that I suggested you didn’t make your scum-read on Shadow clear. You have no backed up where I suggested this.

I’ve also clearly discussed my problem with your vote for Shadow and not me – you proffered an empty 1v1 when you refused to vote me even when I am voting you. So clearly my problem with your Shadow vote (other than it is on a Town player) is that you are using it as a crutch to defend your faked 1v1 call where you refuse to vote me. Now you are claiming I failed some ‘Grand Tarp’ reaction test when you’ve yet to explain my scum motivation for any of the above.

This game is a two-way street for Town players. You don’t get the luxury of asking for motivations from everyone else but never providing them yourself. In fact your insistence on doing so combined with your inability to provide support for your attacks while banging others for not doing the same (which I can reference in the initial thread if you want) screams Cognitive Dissonance which is a reliable scum-tell.

Now in Post 138 you are using weasel-wording (“I said it ‘sounds like’”) in an attempt to back away from my accusations.

I like a WC vote btw

He was clearly just parroting what Magna said earlier.

So aside from the fact that you once again are just throwing out accusations with no support –

You are making a parroting accusation. Is Wrath scum parroting the person you are also calling scum and thus directly parroting his partner?

Do you think my votes and accusations against Wrath (in both the first and second thread) are bussing then?

Buddying to ooba in this noted also.

[Foxace36]

It really looks like you are trying too hard to incriminate Slandaar.

I am however in no way saying is innocent though.

I don't have access to the zip file right now so I will be thoroughly looking through his posts in this thread when i get the chance,

[Foxace36]

I'm gonna go ahead and "Chainsaw" here (I think that's what it's called) and VOTE: MaguaofIllusion.

I will put up a quote wall for my reasonings tonight when I get to a PC. It revolves around his attacking of Slandaar though. It's just too all over the place and half the things he is accusing him of hold no base and are just illogical.

I believe he is a scum who is pushing way too hard. There is another possibilty though which I think is far more likely as I have done it before....

And that is that they are

both

scum. The reasoning for this is that Magua seems so set on Slandaar being scum to the point where he is pulling things out of thin air and making mountains out of molehills to incriminate him. It's almost as if he

knows

he is scum and that after Slandaar is lynched and flips scum, he will have gained immense town credit and will, in theory, be safe.

[Iecerint]

Iecerint wanted people to claim prodding under the hypothesis that the scumteam may have been prodded via their QT. However, it appears that that was probably not the case, unless Kdub, Ooba, and Slandaar are all scum.

Unvote; Vote: WrathChild

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm gonna go ahead and "Chainsaw" here (I think that's what it's called) and VOTE: MaguaofIllusion.

I will put up a quote wall for my reasonings tonight when I get to a PC. It revolves around his attacking of Slandaar though. It's just too all over the place and half the things he is accusing him of hold no base and are just illogical.

I believe he is a scum who is pushing way too hard. There is another possibilty though which I think is far more likely as I have done it before....

And that is that they are

both

scum. The reasoning for this is that Magua seems so set on Slandaar being scum to the point where he is pulling things out of thin air and making mountains out of molehills to incriminate him. It's almost as if he

knows

he is scum and that after Slandaar is lynched and flips scum, he will have gained immense town credit and will, in theory, be safe.

Nice juicy post right here -

1. Actively chooses to 'joke' about being scum (via the Chainsawing reference).
2. I can't wait to see your wall. I look forward to you supporting your accusations.
3. I'm scum bussing my partner Slandaar because you like to bus as scum?
4. I'm chuckling since you can't even get my user-name correct ...

[Foxace36]

1. What do you mean? The "Chainsawing" term this site holds means the act of accusing someone for attacking another player right?
2. I can't wait to post it.
3. Kinda new to this site. What is bussing? >.<
4. Im playing with Magua in another game and I keep getting your names confused >.<

[MagnaofIllusion]

1. What do you mean? The "Chainsawing" term this site holds means the act of accusing someone for attacking another player right?

On MS Chainsawing is when one scum attacks another player who is attacking their partner. In this case - I'm attacking Slandaar and you are now attacking me. You get the added scummy bonus of establishing in your post that we are both scum that way regardless of what either of us eventually flips you have the added bonus of being able to attack the other.

I'm smelling the ozone of PEW PEW PEW here ...

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOD - Can we please have a Vote-Count?

[Foxace36]

Ah, I see.


Does this site have a page for all these terms? I feel oh so very ignorant when I read people's posts here and I can't understand half of the acronyms or terms.