D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[MagnaofIllusion]

The Wiki has all the answers you seek!

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yeah, upon review of meta I don't see moving my Slandaar vote anytime soon.

[Slandaar]

Explain this meta read Magna

[MagnaofIllusion]

Explain this meta read Magna

Nope. I'm going to play just like you and not give answers while demanding them from others.

[Foxace36]

This sucks reading on my phone FFS.

If it's not too much to ask....

Can you just offer some bullet points as to why you believe Slandaar is scum Magna? And vice versa. (If you believe he is scum slandaar.)

It would sure save a hell of a lot of time from flipping around through pages and having to read your guys' massive WoTs.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Can you just offer some bullet points as to why you believe Slandaar is scum Magna? And vice versa. (If you believe he is scum slandaar.).

So let me get this straight. I'm scum who is pushing my scum partner and now you are asking us to both bullet-point the case on the other? Just want to be clear.

Reading isn't a hardship Princess.

[Slandaar]

Just vote SD

hes scum

[Foxace36]

Can you just offer some bullet points as to why you believe Slandaar is scum Magna? And vice versa. (If you believe he is scum slandaar.).

So let me get this straight. I'm scum who is pushing my scum partner and now you are asking us to both bullet-point the case on the other? Just want to be clear.

Reading isn't a hardship Princess.

I stated that it was a possibility (Which is waht my WoT tonight will provide reasons why), I never said that that's what is actually going on.

Aso, it seems like you're being a bit dodgy here.

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

WrathChild

- Iecerint, Ooba

Fennin

- Kdub

Kurtis

- Midnight's Sorrow

Slandaar

- MagnaofIllusion

Iecerint

- Nero Cain

NeroCain

- ShadowDancer

ShadowDancer

- PeregrineV, Slandaar

MagnaofIllusion

- Foxace

With 20 alive, its 11 to lynch

[Shadow Dancer]

Generic prod dodge...

Seriously. I have no time today.

But I'll have the more time tomorrow. That means I may finally come to reread the cached stuff. I'l definitely do an up to date review of the Slan case.

[Andrius]

Ok apparently the posts that I remember existing in the game don't exist.
This makes me frustrated.
I'm reading over these 7 and moving on with my life.
Though this still needs to happen:

Vote: Slandaar

[Andrius]

We're back!
I'm sad we lost Malee and Kise though.

Vote: Fennin

This.
Iecerint breaking PR and recovering without a word was interesting. Don't really care about PRs since its not debiliating.

Hey, I have scum day? I have scum day!!!! I therfore officially survived two years of mindless lynchmobs! YAY!

Spoiler:

Happy Scumday SD!



I'm somewhat impressed because WrathChild's thing is thorough. Though it has no actual accusations.

WC: List of reads please?

This game will not die even if I have to replace all seven inactives. Just play the game normally for now and the replacements will start flowing in soon.

Try LordChronos? He's the only other Olympian who's still onsite. :/

Slandaar is still scum. Still reaching. I had a good word in the post I can't find in the archive but its lost so. :/

also anyone accusing me in any suspicous light of avoiding a thread is prob scum

I had highest post count in thread before crash taken into consideration why would I avoid the thread purposefully? answer I wouldnt whatever alignment based on my previous post count

So magnas just being ridiculous again.

The Benmage defense is not flying. Sorry.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SD

Why would I lie?

You are saying you think I am lying well I can only do that as scum. But why? why would I lie? why would I avoid thread when I was highest post count previously? what do I as scum have to gain from it? (nothing)

sorry doesnt make sense

you are scum

Was flailing the word?
Regardless, it fits.

Ello, catching up.

Hi you're town.
Find scum please?

Yeah, any info we should know before reading?

You're town.
Iece has a PR.
Slandaar is scum.

Iecerint’s fence-sitting on Slaandar at Post 57 is noted.

Ooba lurking does not give me happy thoughts. Low content ooba is generally scum ooba. I need to review his activity in the archive …

ooba has also disappeared from the site twice in the past year. I'm not really surprised at his low activity.
Also the only games I remember seeing him in before this, Encore and Picto_Andy_Failed_Hard_III, he flaked out of both but was town. :/


Magna is super coherent and much more articulate than I on Slandaar_scum.
ITS K IM SKARNER WE GOT THIS

Iecerint has built many relational tells around the premise that Slandaar is

town

.

Fix'd.

Explain please.



SLEEPYKREW I WAS UNAWARE YOU HAD A NICKNAME FOR ME
WAS IT THE MOTHERFUCKING IRON LEGION?

So I'm limiting my exposure to LoL, Magna. As I said inthread I was V/LA through the weekend so Monday was the first day I really had to read. I TRY MY MASTER.

boardgamegeek

<333

I'm gonna go ahead and "Chainsaw" here (I think that's what it's called) and VOTE: MaguaofIllusion.

Admits to scumtell.
DERP
This one's scum too?
Probably not with Sland, but he is relatively new so[?]
Not sure what to think of this one really.

Fox then plays the newb card very quickly.
Magna eats that up too well.
:/

Anywho we really need replacements and stuff to get this back on track. I'll do my best to be here, but we really need a full game to get rolling. No lynches until we're back at full strength. (Or close enough.)

[Foxace36]

UNVOTE:

I did more reading into MoI's posts and I'm just going to post my comments on all of his posts.

Mssive

WoT incoming.

Be prepared in T minus..... Unknown seconds.

Seriously, this being one of my first real seirous mafia games, it may be a while. I wan to make sure I have everything that I want to comment on.

[Foxace36]

Massive

*

[SleepyKrew]

ANDY I USED IT ONCE BUT NO ONE NOTICED AND I CAN ONLY USE IT WHEN YOU REPLACE IN

VOTE: Slandaar
expect my thoughts tomorrow/day after

[Foxace36]

FUCK this is taking forever. I have to go look through even Fennins posts now. Screw it, I'm just going to go ahead and post what I have so far. I'll finish it up later......

Where were we?

Oh yes,

VOTE: WrathChild

I'll have to review who else is scummy besides WC, Slaandar and Kdub.

Do you mind elaborating on why WC and Kdub are scummy?

You seem to have forgotten your 'post restriction' also ....

Iecerint fixedhis errors.

So despite the fact that your role PM was NOT deleted by the crash and you had multiple problems with your claimed post restriction before the fact that you actually had one escaped you at the start of the day?

At what point do you get penalized in a way that we can actually see with your continued ‘errors’?

My point was to say that Shadow's point was a sound point (i.e. responding to hypothesizedTown-Slandaar's perceived misread). I think and have always thought Slandaar is town, annoyance at recent behavior notwithstanding.

Oh look yet another example of a blown post restriction ....

Ok, so you think Slaandar is Town. Is he VI-Town then? Because his tendancy to call everyone who suspects him confirmed scum immediately is a sign he's a pretty bad player then.

So, I am not the only one suspicious of iecerint. I honestly believe his post restriction to be bullshit myself.

Iecerint’s fence-sitting on Slaandar at Post 57 is noted.

Fence sitting..... Couldn''t find this one in the Wiki. Please elaborate.
(My next wall is concerning Iecerint)

Iecerint’s fence-sitting on Slaandar at Post 57 is noted.

Ooba lurking does not give me happy thoughts. Low content ooba is generally scum ooba. I need to review his activity in the archive …

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Doesn't require them to all be scum, just SD. A chainsaw is player C attacks player B for attacking player A.

I know what a chainsaw is. You need to explain how Shadow pointing out terrible logic / attacks makes him scummy and not scum-hunting – ie you need to explain why is attacks are scummy.

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cos I didnt know this game had started again?

link to archive and also magna can explain why hes accusing me of avoiding a thread I had no way of knowing existed would be great.

Oh really? You didn’t know the game had started? Yet in the next post after I call you out for avoiding the thread (12 hours later) you suddenly have found the thread? It's just luck that you happened to 'find' the thread right after I called out you for avoiding it. Lulz, no.

Since you’ve made it an issue I’m about to turn this explanation into charcoal –

March 8th – DN posts his Reboot sign-up thread..

On March 9th you posted in that thread saying you were “confirmed to go again!”. So clearly as of March 9th you knew that the game was restarting. Did you just 'forget' to keep reading this reboot thread where he directly posted that the game was up? Strike 1.

Deathnote opens the game thread again on March 14th at 7:05pm EDT. You don’t post here until Sunday the 18th at 11:50am EDT after I call you out.

What is your on-site activity between those points? 8 posts on site including a post in an ended game here in Theme Park. Are you saying you are so incompetent you couldn’t see that this game restarted despite you posting in the Reboot thread and posting in Theme Park WHILE THE GAME WAS GOING? Strike 2 and 3. You are out scum.

Yeah, your explanation doesn’t hold water. The scum-tell of ‘showing up only when called out while being active elsewhere on site’ applies right here.

UNVOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: Slaandar

Malee is scum probably too... her replacing out is a scumtell from her. She made all that effort in those posts and then gives up? really? no. Thats not town.

So giving effort is a scum-tell and replacing out is a scum-tell? Yeah, you need rope.

also anyone accusing me in any suspicous light of avoiding a thread is prob scum

I had highest post count in thread before crash taken into consideration why would I avoid the thread purposefully? answer I wouldnt whatever alignment based on my previous post count

Oh look how cute … flailing scum!

Why are you avoiding the thread so far? Perhaps because, pre-crash, Town MoI, Shadow and Andrius all found you totes scummy and were moving to have you hung / blasterized?

And the “I have a high post count I can’t be scum” is so funny …

Why would I lie?

Because you are scum, right? Do I win a prize for being correct?

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But that's not why Fennin voted Slandaar. He admits that Malee just provided a summary and not analysis, but his claimed reason for voting Slandaar was that he somehow inferred that Slandaar was afraid Malee's play would develop into something useful. If he suspected Slandaar for the reason you claim, why didn't he just say that?

Sorry, not buying it. Malee’s posts did have analysis and clearly Fennin had to have voiced that reason at some point for you to give it as here. Seems to me the crux of your vote on Fennin is that he ignored your questions which is personally motivated IMO.

What are your thoughts on Slaandar Kdub?

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I'm torn on this post. You honestly brought up some valid points against Slandaar here.


But then again, if there were other people that found him scummy (And if he really is scum) and they wanted him lynched, wouldn't it be in his best interest as "mafia" to post in the thread as fast as possible so that he may defend himself?

Magna Explain why I as scum would not post WHILE KNOWING THE THREAD EXISTS untill you call me out? and then I think OMG BETTER POST!!! seems pretty terrible play as scum dont you think? What benefits do I get as scum for doing such a play? why did I suddenly decide to megalurk when previously I posted so much? I could have lurked before the crash but it coincided with it. And oh look im back posting after I find thread??? strange.

I don't know why you didn't post here while posting all over site ... again perhaps the fact you were getting some significant scrutiny before the game crashed. You tell me - why were you avoiding the thread? I see in this post you don't address the timeline work or dispute it in any way.

What were going to do after I called you out? Not post at all? That's not viable given your activity on site. So you put yourself in a bad position by dodging the thread and are now scrambling. It's not like you would have been in a better position by continuing to avoid posting here.

Your reaction (OMGUSing everyone who points out that your activity is scummy and popping up the second you were called out) certainly doesn't come from a Townie perspective.

What does Town gain from not actively posting in thread while posting all over site and having acknowledged the existence of the Reboot thread? Why don't you explain that for us?

Again, sure, town does not gain anything if he were to lurk BUT at the same time... With the position he is in.... WIf he were a mafia member, not only would it not be beneficial to lurk, but it would be costly.

I have told you. I did not know the thread existed.Now you admit there is no scum motivation/benefit to it... You dont know. So why are you voting me?What does your timeline prove? that I didnt post here because I didnt know the thread existed?One thing to note this 'ended game in themepark' was subscribed to as it had been going for 4 months or so... go check. Meaning I never saw the list of games.I received no PMI did not know thread was here untill I checked on Sunday and oh I found it and ... posted.

Did you or did you not post in the Queue Reboot thread?
Did you stop looking at that thread the second you posted in it?
Are you suggesting you never ONCE looked at any other threads other than the ones you had been posting in every time you came to MS between Wednesday and Sunday?

Since I've now told you twice a viable reason why you as scum would lurk why do you keep repeating that there is no scum motivation? That's a clear lie.

At this point of the game, I don't think you even once pointed out how lurking would be beneficial to scum...

Again since you are incapable of reading –

You had picked up significant pressure pre-crash for your scummy play. Andrius, Shadow and myself all were pushing you. Thus laying low would allow your scum-buddies to get the Fennin alternate wagon going strong again.

Hey look ... a Fennin wagon immediately exploded as the thread opened. Imagine that.

You seem to be presenting the situation in a way to suggest that scum (aka yourself) always play completely optimally. This is not the case as slips and scummy play are how scum get caught and lynched. DERP.

*Goes to read through Fennin's Posts before commenting*

[Foxace36]

MY GOD those tags are a MESS.

I hope you all can decipher who is who. >.<

[Andrius]

Look at that foxace, turning the chainsaw the other direction. LOL

K WELL ILL HAVE TO GO LOOK IN I.I. TO FIND IT THEN?
BUT YOU WERE DEAD BEFORE I CAME IN SO IDK WHERE TO LOOK

[WrathChild]

Ok, like I mentioned I'm on the road right now, but I'm taking some time tonight to finish my previous thread re-read and then I'll post my impressions from that I promised, but kind of a lot has happened since then, mainly the Slandaar thing. I don't like the 1 v 1 challenge he threw out there because I don't think 1 v 1s ever are protown. They're a bunch of chest thumping and muscle flexing but its never a good thing to turbo lynch anyone day 2.

[Andrius]

1v1's are pro-town when I'm in them...

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Andy

- Don't worry ... I'm not buying anything Foxace is selling at this juncture ...

[Foxace36]

I'm not done just yet...

I'll post more tomorrow.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Given Post 165 is completely unreadable without serious Mod intervention I'm not sure I want to see more like that from you ...

[SleepyKrew]

WELL ANDY THE POST WAS MADE IN A DISCUSSION THREAD BUT IM NOT TELL WHICH ONE BUT I THINK IT WAS DESTROYED BUT IM NOT SURE BUT IM TOO LAZY TO MOTHERFUCKING STARFLEET RAWR

[Kdub]

Mod, can you indicate in the first post who is getting replaced?

Even if Fennin is getting replaced, I still find his earlier play suspicious. I could probably get behind a WC lynch because I do remember finding him scummy pre-crash, but Fennin or his replacement is still on my list in future days. For people who jumped off the Fennin wagon, why did you change your vote and do you still suspect him?

I don't see what Iec would have to gain as scum by faking the post restriction he is claiming to have. There are some post restrictions I could see scum faking as an excuse to either lurk or not provide content, but Iec's apparent restriction does not seem to accomplish that.

Foxace's "chainsaw" thing actually strikes me as a legitimate newb-town tell. He also wasn't afraid to go against the leading wagon and attack a strong player like Magna. I can't really decipher his big quote post, but his play before that looks town to me.

Andy, do you suspect Slandaar because of the "avoiding the thread" thing and his response, or did you already suspect him? If the latter, what were your reasons for that?