D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[WrathChild]

Fast Re-Read through the game:
#3-23: RVS
#24 Ooba: First real vote of the game on Fenin for what he sees as an insincere post
#25-29: RVS
#30 Andrius: Mentions the possibility of a Kise-Scum Slip for mentioning Imperial Scum in #3
#31 Shadow: Recap with questions directed at 8 different players. Not much else to see here.
#32 Andrius: Defends against Wall accusation in #31
#33 Kise: Implies his Darth Maul claim in the RVS was not necessarily true
#34 Slandaar: Votes Fennin for being wishy washy
#35-49: RVS
#50 Kdub: Says that he thought it was forbidden for Jedi to love regarding Nero Cain and Kdub's lovers claim/joke. However at no point did Nero Cain claim Jedi.
#51 Death Note: VC
#52-55: RVS
#56 Kurtis: Votes Channe Delibird and nothing else
#57 Nexus: Votes Kurtis for #56 not commenting on anything else
#58: RVS
#59 Ooba: Directs questions/comments at 4 other players, overall no real content
#60 Shadow: Joke Post
#61 MoI: Agrees with Ooba #24 vs. Fennin. Calls Peregrine out for posting fluff. Asks Elmo why he votes Malee. Calls Kise out for voting Malee while calling Fennin scum. Implies he thinks Kdub is town for Imperial Scum comment.
#62 Nero Cain: Joke Post
#63: RVS
#64 Kdub: Votes Iec for being too quiet.
#65 Kise: Insists that Malee is scum and will park her vote until there's a good wagon to join.
#66 Nero: Votes Elmo giving no reason
#67 Malee: Says that her vote on Fennin was not based on scumminess but him being a smartass instead.
#68 Slandaar: Votes Kise giving no reason
#69 Fennin: Asks why everyone is picking on him then votes Kise giving no reason.
#70 Slandaar: Asks why Fennin is voting Kise for no reason like he did.
#71 Andrius: Wall post with little actual content
#72 Elmo: Says he has his reasoning for voting Malee, but then says it was a joke.
#73 Shadow: Calls Andrius out again for answering for Kise
#74 Peregrine: Responds to MoI calling him a fluffer by saying he was only following rules and questioning why he ignored the Lovers claim from Nero and Kdub, which was obviously a joke. Other than that just more fluff.
#75 Nexus: Responds to #74 punt waffle question
#76 Kurtis: Accuses Nexus and CDB of scumbuddy insulting each other.
#77 Shadow: Asks Peregrine why it is his job to enforce joke rules.
#78 WC: Responds to Peregrine #74 and calls stupid joke rule stupid.
#79 Malee: Asks why Kurtis declared RVS over in #76
#80 Kurtis: Answers #79 with "Because I'm the Law"
#81 Iec: Catchup post. Calls Elmo scum for #52 and Slandaar town for no reason.
#82 Malee: Calls Kurtis out on #80 pointing out the hypocrisy of it
#83 Nexus: Calls Kurtis Scum but no vote
#84 DN: VC
#85 Shadow: Says Kurtis is BSing but no vote
#86 Shadow: Says Vincent's inactivity and failure to contribute content is scummy. Points out Iec using 3rd person.
#87 Iec: Admits to using 3rd person
#88 Malee: Points out that she's seen breadcrumbs and asks the reasoning for it and a posting restriction for Iec
#89 Ooba: Says Slandaar and Iec are town for no reason
#90 Malee: Responds to joke in #89
#91 Shadow: Advises Malee not to point out breadcrumbs
#92 Slandaar: Goes along with #89
#93 Kise: Clarifies how Fennin screwed up with the awesome abillity
#94 Kdub: Asks Malee about Elmo OMGUS comment and Iec about Slandaar town. Votes Kurtis for his nexus attack and fluff
#95 Midnight: Votes Kurtis and agrees with #94
#96-97: Jokes
#98 MoI: Tells Iec to stop faking Post Restriction, Calls Malee cute and demands the top 3 scum picks right away, calls Kurtis a bad player, says Kise was more interested in distancing than scum, says we should shoot Slandaar for #70, says Kise dodged questions because Andy answered for him, calls Peregrine a fluffer again, calls Ooba's random town claims scummy
#99 Kise: Responds to MoI constant search for scum motivation by saying that sometimes scum don't always have motivation and react on whims. Doesn't like the 1-2 vote on Kurtis by Kdub and Midnight, says shadows questions are transparent
#100-25: Missing
#125 Malee: First half of #126, see below
#126 Malee: Last half of a player by player analysis, Leaning scum : Kurtis, Wrathchild, Fennin, Kise
Leaning town : MagnaOfIllusion, Andrius, Otto Von Clark
Null : everyone else.
#127 Slandaar: Calls Malee's #125-126 hollow and pointless at this stage of the game. Calls it a Town-Looking analysis
#128 Malee: Responds to #127 saying that it was not intended to "look town" but instead was a response to MoI's request in #98
#129 Slandaar: Says hes town for posting more than most. Calls Malee scum, no vote
#130 Malee: Responds to #129 saying quantity doesn't mean quality and calls Slandaar out for wanting to blaster Vince
#131 Slandaar: Says its funny Malee didn't mention the blaster comment before
#132 Malee: Says that she was mid-post when it happened
#133 Slandaar: Asks why its a scummy comment to want to blaster vince
#134 Slandaar: Builds case on Malee based on #127, also mentions how the reads on Vince, Nero and Fennin don't match up
#135 Malee: Explains why it is scummy to want to Blaster Vince but not vote him
#136 Slandaar: "hes had 3 posts at various points to show any kind of scumhunting intent
he has failed to do so
the vote thing ties into this
hes scummy
he needs to die and is an easy vote for scum if hes town so we blaster him... seems pretty obvious to me"
-This reads to me like Slandaar is implying that he knows Vince is town.
#137 Malee: Defends against #134 and #136 (well in my opinion)
#138 Nero: Continues to suspect the Elmo slot but admits he can't convince people, didn't like the WC vote on kdub for calling Nero a Jedi, accuses Malee of fear mongering.
#139 WC: Explains how he felt the Kdub-Nero-Jedi-Lovers thing was a slip and how he chose to pursue it. Addresses Otto's suspicion on him further by explaining how his case was being taken out of context.
#140 MoI: Further questions WC's slip case and chides him for thinking he got a RVS vote regardless of the position of the game, explains to Malee why a Lurker Blasting would benefit town, says that Vincent and Kurtis are front-runners for blasting, agrees with NC's fear mongering comment against Malee in #138, jumps on Slandaar for calling Malee scummy
#141 Kdub: Responds to my slip accusation (well in my opinion) and suggests a consensus on the Blaster Target
#142 Malee: Apologizes for using spoiler tags
#143 Malee: Agrees that we should coordinate blaster attacks
#144 Kdub: Responds to Malees concern about town consensus conflicting with personal opinion
#145 Slandaar: Still pushing that Malee's post was worthless, directed at MoI
#146 Malee: Responds to #144
#147 Ooba: Catchup post, ties Nexus to Vincent, calls WC's slip-case paranoia scum hunting, thinks Slandaar and Iec are town for posts #122 and #127, which happened to be after he randomly declared Slandaar and Iec town in #89 (this is a red flag to me), thinks Malee is scum for poor read-reasoning, thinks Vincent is scum for vibes, thinks WC is scummy for pushing the Jedi-Slip, which is odd because he thought Malee was scummy for making a bad case on WC (Definately take the time to read this post yourself people)
#148 MoI: Calls Kdub scum for pushing Blaster Consensus and discussed his town read on Malee
#149 Curtis: Votes Malee for annoying walls. WHAT!? Curtis is scum
#150-174: Missing
#175 Peregrine: Asks WC to show him Midnight's fluff
#176 Shadow: Basically asks Malee to point out breadcrumbs she found
#177 Shadow: Asks Slandaar to back up his accusations against Malee
#178 Shadow: Reiterates #177
#179 Shadow: Calls Slandaar hypocritical for demanding MoI post insights gained from Malee's #125-126
#180 WC: Answers Kdubs tunneling question with a post link to Otto #118
#181 WC: Points out Midnight's Fluff posts as requested in Peregrine #175
#182 WC: Clarifies what #181 was in response to
#183 Shadow: Is unsure is Curtis is scum or dumb
#184 Shadow: Argues against coordinated blaster shots
#185 Peregrine: Responds to WC's #181.
#186 Shadow: Votes Slandaar for his attack on Malee
#187 Kise: Gives a gut-scum read on Kdub, accuses MoI of playing the stumped card
#188 Nero: Still is pushing the Elmo-Scum theory and then accuses shadow of buddy-protecting Malee from Slandaar attack
#189 Elmo: Gives Nero scum-meta data
#190 Slandaar: Asks Elmo why he thinks he is town
#191 Andrius: Promises catchup
#192 Slandaar: Basically blows off all the questions and accusations directed at him claims town and tells everyone to go away so he can scum hunt. I don't like this post
#193 Vince: Requests /out
#194 Fennin: Votes Slandaar for attacking Malee
#195 Slandaar: Demands shadow show proof of his accusations of content
#196 Slandaar: Calls Fennin out for ingenuously scumhunting then basically goes Piano Key Neck Tie on Fennin (I invented the Piano Key Neck Tie! What have you done!? NOTHING! NOOOOTTTTHHHING!). Basically I don't like how Slandaar gets defensive against Fennin here. Slandaar basically implies that he's the king of scumhunting Fennin is faking when in reality I don't see any particular difference between the quality of each of their scumhunting efforts.
#197 Slandaar: Continues his attack on Malee and Fennin. Accuses Fennin of not reading.
#198 Slandaar: Demands Fennin answer his question about voting Kise
#199 Slandaar: Points out how Fennin acted fake excited and proceeded not to post content. I'm actually starting to like Slandaar's case more once he expanded on it.
#200 Malee: Accuses Nero of fluffing and being single sighted on Elmo, basically says Elmo is doing the same, then defends against Slandaar. I'm starting to see something come together here. Slandaar and Malee both have scum-reads on Fennin but Slandaar seems to think Malee's are insufficient or faked.
#201 Slandaar: Asks for clarification on why Fennin was scummy for his Shadow vote and following post #23
#202 Malee: Tells Slandaar to go read it again
#203 Slandaar: Still doesn't get it
#204 Ooba: Answers Nexus' question on being scum by association with Vincent or Curtis (missing relevant link), asks Malee for more clarification that Andrius is town, says MoI and SD are attacking a painfully obvious town (Elmo I assume), dislikes Fennin's vote on Slandaar, but no vote
#205 WC: Asks Ooba to clarify on his above post
#206 Kdub: Attacks Fennin for voting Slandaar
#207 WC: Calls Vincent slot town for replacing out
#208 WC: Wants to work things out with Kdub and unvotes him
#209 Slandaar: Asks WC how its not pro-scum for scum to replace out
#210 WC: Answers Slandaar about scum not feeling as intimidated as town
#211 Malee: Backs off WC's scum read, says she's leaning town on Andrius cause of gut, and responds to Slandaars bait to reveal more breadcrumbs
#212 Kdub: Says WC is playing Peregrine and Otto against each other because peregrine accused him of backpedaling after Otto said WC was tunneling
#213 Slandaar: Asks Malee to reveal why breadcrumbing yoda is scummy
#214 Slandaar: Apologizes for revealing Yoda
#215 NEro: Annoyed with Malee and Slandaar's breadcrumb talk, can't tell if theya re dumb or scum
#216 Malee: Explains why the particular crumb was so scummy
#217 WC: Explains his view of Kdub's slip, and Kdubs #212 about backpedaling/tunneling and shows Peregrine using posts predating Otto's
#218 WC: Points out that one of Fennins crumbs could point out Jar Jar (pretty stupid upon re-read, oh well)
#219 Kdub: Accepts that WC may have been reaction testing
#220 Peregrine: Asks Kise for reads on WC and Midnight
#221 Slandaar: Responds to WC #218 with a picture (yes I realize my post was stupid)
#222 WC: Wonders why Fennin would crumb a powerful role if they were town
#223 Peregrine: Disagrees with WC's stance on the Vincent /out and implies that WC knew scum had day-talk by saying that they could get their hands held, asks what WC thinks of Midnight
#224 Malee: Agrees with WCs #222
#225 Ooba: Clarifies his #204 in response to WC's #205 and agrees that Fennin's crumb was scummy
#226 WC: Responds to Peregrine's accusation of supposed day talk scum slip
#227 Ooba: Gets on the Fennin Wagon
#228 WC: Asks Ooba if MoI, Slandaar and Shadow are town
#229 Ooba: Answers Yes, Yes, No. Says Shadow was on bad-wagons Kise and Slandaar
#230 Curtis: Asks why Malee thinks crumbers are scum and that everyone that's voting Fennin for crumbing are scum
#231 WC: Explains why crumbing Yoda is scummy
#232 DN: Vote Count
#233 Slandaar: Understands why Malee had the the scum read on Fennin now and double questions why Fennin did not catch this himself
#234 WC: Says that Midnight is blaster bait because he doesn't really play mafia by the unsaid rules making it hard for town. Asks about a Blaster Pool
#235 WC: Points out VC error
#236 Malee: Says WC summed up the Crumb-Scum theory well and points out that her scum reads haven't all crumbed, just Fennin and Curtis
#237 WC: Votes Fennin and checks his vote effectiveness
#238 Malee: Thinks a blaster pool is good
#239 Malee: Answers #237 for him
#240 WC: Explains why, he wasn't in no vote either
#241 Malee: Hug and make up with Slandaar
#242 Slandaar: Doesn't think crumbing is scummy
#243 DN: Correct VC, uberninja replaces vincent
#244 Malee: Welcomes Uber
#245 Shadow: Disagrees with a Fennin Crumb wagon, asks why ooba thinks the Kise and slandar wagons were bad, has a gut feeling the Vincent replace was town
#246 Slandaar: Asks Shadow for quotes
#247 Midnight: Responds to various accusation and basically jokes and blows them all off
#248 Malee: Responds to Shadow #245 and agrees on vincent replace theory
#249 Elmo: Promise Post
#250 Kdub: Not convinced on th crumb-scum theory but wants slandaar and fennin to discuss it more
#251 MoI: Questions Elmo's town read of Curtis, suspects that the VT role was replaced by the blaster role and accuses kdub of being scum for ignorance of blaster mechanics, says Slandaar's attack on Malee was weak, , accuses Peregrine of soft attacking WC, disagrees with the vincent/out theory, and disagrees with the Blaster Pool idea, votes WC
#252 Peregrine: Presses WC issues
#253 Peregrine: Accuses Midnight of no scum hunting
#254 Shadow: Says no need for walls
#255 Peregrine: Suspicious of Fennin claim

#256-324: I need a break. Will finish this later

#325 Slandaar: thinks MoI is distracting from Fennin/Malee lynch efforts, implying that Slandaar thinks MoI is scum with Fennin/Malee
#326 MoI: Attacks Malee for yelling BREADCRUMB!
#327 MoI: Attacks Slandaar for ducking questions.

#256 Shadow: Addresses Malee #248, and questions how reserved she was with her votes and points out some suspicious posts/actions by Kurtis, Slan, Kise, and says they are more suspicious than a Fennin breadcrumb
#257 Elmo: Really derps the claim and thinks A) Fennin could be a storm trooper and B) Stormtroopers are bad mmmkay?
#258 DN: Armored saint replaces Uberninja
#259 Elmo: More jibberish
#260 Saint: Promise Post
#261 WC: Responds to MoI's accusations in #251
#262 WC: Stands by the feeling that the replace out = town for now
#263 Slandaar: Asks MoI what the problem with #190 & 192 was
#264 Slandaar: Says shadow is scum for not backing up what he says about voting Slandaar for his attack on Malee
#265 Slandaar: Articulates #264
#266 Saint: Says WC replace out read is scummy
#267 Malee: Asks if Saint is a hydra
#268 Malee: Responds to Shadow #256 and says she has scum reads on Fennin and Kurtis, but not together
#269 Saint: Asks what a hydra is
#270 Malee: Answers #269 and points out that the difference in posting styles of #269 and #266
#271 Saint: Asks if Malee thinks Saint is mafia
#272 Malee: Tells Saint he never said any such thing and not to get worked up about it
#273 Shadow: Accuses Slandaar of an OMGUS
#274 Ooba: Promise post
#275 Slandaar: Responds to #273 with some quotes that don't really prove his point. His move against Shadow seems like a fail case to me.
#276 MoI: Accuses Peregrine of vote hoping, accuses WC of using charged language, using personal experience for bad logic, role fishing with an open ended statement, argues against a blaster pool, points out the contradiction of Slandaar 190/192 and also points out Slandaar fail-casing Shadow
#277 Nexus: Declares VLA
#278 DN: VC
#279 Slandaar: Says Fenin knew that Malee fluff walled and didn't attack her therefore Fenin is scum. This is kind of a stretch IMO
#280 MoI: Disagrees with above and says there have been many more fluff-posters than Malee, continues to attack Slandaar
#281 Slandaar: Really starts flaing here and basically says "No! You More!" at MoI. Feels like a restrained OMGUS at MoI.
#282 Iec: Promise post (breaks posting restriction)
#283 Iec: Fixes above
#284 Iec: Votes WC for his replace out town read, says Otto #118 is scummy, Malee scummy for 130, Ooba town (no reasoning), Nero-Town for 138, Kurtis-Scum for 149, Midnight-Town (no reasoning), votes Fennin, says Shadow and Peregrine suck, Ooba town (2nd time), says MoI is scum if Fennin is scum and then WC is Town.
#285 Iec: Points out mod-anger for failure of posting restriction
#286 Elmo: Points out Iec is Jar Jar, thanks Elmo
#287 Iec: Expands on restriction details
#288 Midnight: Promise post
#289 Saint: Vote Malee says die scum die
#290 Midnight: Says saint is stupid
#291 Fennin: Promise post and claims Yoda, doesn't get whats wrong with that
#292 Malee: Says saint is stupid and explains whats scummy about Fennin's claim
#293 Slandaar: Posting restriction joke
#294 Malee: Says Saint is bullying
#295 Slandaar: Asks Malee for her read on Slandaar
#296 Nero: Promise post, says he has gut scum read on Elmo
#297 Kdub: Reiterates the Fennin case and clarifies it was not just a bread crumb thing, points out WC-Peregrine slip accusations back and forth.
#298 Saint: Trollo
#299 Otto: Says saint is stupid
#300 Nexus: Calls saint a troll
#301 Slandaar: Supports Saint-Troll because he's voting Malee
#302 Midnight: Calls saint a troll
#303 MoI: Calls saint a troll
#304 DN: Promises saint ban
#305 Malee: Responds to Slandaar and says slandaar is slightly scum and that Saint is stupid
#306 WC: Retracts town read due to Troll attack in that slot
#307 Peregrine: Responds to Elmo #259 and says no flavor specing here. Seems odd to focus on this out of everything that happened between then and this point
#308 Malee: Accuses WC on using the convenience of Saint-Troll to retract his town read on the slot based on Replace out
#309 Peregrine: Says Midnight has posted low quality and quantity
#310 WC: Responds to MoI #276
#311 WC: Explains to Malee #308 the difference between the circumstances and why the Vincent slot can no longer be considered town
#312 Peregrine: Attacks the Fennin crumb
#313 Malee: Responds to #312
#314 WC: Expands on why the Fennin crumb was scummy, but can't decide if its scum or dumb play
#315 Iec: Explains his midnight-town read, but basically boils it down to gut. Breaks posting restriction
#316 IEc: Claims scolding by Mod
#317 Shadow: Calls the Fennin case nonsense
#318 Iec: Explains crumb-scum and says Fennin is scummy on top of the crumbing
#319 Kise: Promise Post
#320 MoI: Asks Ooba to clarify his stance on Slandaar-Town, asks Otto for top 3 scum, doesnt like Kise empty promise #319, accuses IEc of chainsaw defense for Slandaar, attacks slandaar more, threatens to blast slandaar tonight, responds to WC #310
#321 Iec: Lols at MoI
#322 Iec: Claims relevant content
#323 MoI: Lols at Iec's Lols
#324 Malee: Responds to crumbing case, says Fennin and Kurtis appear to be distancing.
#325-327: See original post
#328: Accuses MoI of Hero-Syndrome
#329: Kurtis: VLA
#330 Iec: Points out that he was actually accusing MoI of being scummy, not Ooba
#331 Iec: Clarifies #330
#332 Iec: Top 3 scums WC, Fennin and MoI, but says they all can't be scum together, but maybe Fennin and MoI can be together. Advocates blastering MoI.
#333 Ooba: Explains his town read on Slandaar for "mirroring his thoughts", questions WC's trolling = scum stance (incorrect), says Iec is town (no reasoning)
#334 Iec: Fixes posting restriction fail
#335 Slandaar: Accuses MoI of distracting from Fennin and Malee lynches
#336 Iec: Agrees with #335
#337 Fennin: Claims special jedi powers, thinks Slandaar is town and votes Nero for focusing on inactive Elmo
#338 Nero: Still says Elmo is scummy and aggrees with WC that it is generally believed replace outs are often more town
#339 Nero: Tag fix
#340 Nero: Supports the lynch of Malee, Elmo, WC or Fennin
#341 DN: Vote Count
#342 Channel Delibird: Promise Post
#343 DN: Fox replaces Saint

[WrathChild]

Ok thank god that's done. I'm dead tired now and about shit a brick when I hit submit and it sent me to the log in screen for taking too long. Thank god it cached when I went back. I can't possibly post my reads right now (2am, must sleep), but have notes on paper, so when I get a chance to summarize tomorrow I will.

[Slandaar]

Sleepy voting me isnt surprising

Andrius is voting me for posts which dont exist

Magna thinks I lurked ... lol.
Sums up my wagon... its terrible.

WC is going to vote me and then get lynched today (surprise me WC)

SD is scum my case was rock solid not one person has debated it or even shown where I am wrong yet its ignored... oh I wonder why.

SD/WC/Malee(sleepy)/Fennin
Thats team scum.

If theres more scum its in the lurkers 4 seems about right though.

[ooba]

@Andy
Any particular reason for calling SK town? I have my theory since it was something I also thought about, but would like to hear yours (if any).
Just to correct the info, I was NK'd in Picto Mafia III during N1 for my reads - didn't flake.
Also I have something you might like in the next post.

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@Kdub

"For people who jumped off the Fennin wagon, why did you change your vote and do you still suspect him?"

Still suspicious and it was a wasted vote since he wasn't here. Plus the fact that WC scumminess has increased in this thread.

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@Magna
Regarding Slandaar:
Since I myself post less as scum when under pressure, that is not the point I'm trying to make:
- I dispute this statement: "He's not posting here while posting everywhere else on site = scum". If I want to avoid posting in a particular game as scum, I tend to avoid posting on the site altogether (barring circumstances where I'm modding). Selectively ignoring one game is a surefire way of drawing attention to yourself - which is exactly what you don't want to be doing as scum.
While I wouldn't go as far as to call it a towntell (I've been surprised before), I put this behavior under null tell.
- Even though it falls squarely in the WIFOM category and I'm projecting here (used it a lot of times in Battle of Olympus for example), the reaction "what do I as scum have to gain from it? (nothing)" is a strong town tell for me. I called it "Slandaar vs SD" because SD's 53 was the trigger that reminded me of Elmo's "worked like a charm" post.

Nero vs Per Votes:
I didn't say the RVS-vote was scummy. The contradictory part was calling it a RV but then accusing SD of chainsawing -implying he thought Iece was scum when he made that vote.

Regarding Malee:
Well, if you notice my suspicion of Malee reduces towards the end of thread one - in fact, the more she posted towards the end, the more townie she appeared. One of the reasons I was disappointed at her replacing out since I thought I was improving at reading that slot.

So, yeah, that's my way of admitting my initial vote may have been due to a difference in playstyle and probably wrong.

Your turn to unvote Slan and join me on the WC wagon; Slan is not a good lynch; Forget "Back to the Future Mafia" and think more "Battle For Olympus" - should make it easier.

[ooba]

Ok apparently the posts that I remember existing in the game don't exist.

Here are the missing posts from 344-360. I added a zip in the fallout shelter but wasn't updated.
Had to manually format the posts (quotes and all) - I remember giving SD grief about multiple short posts in Olympus but I'd take an entire page of SD's posts than one wall of Andy's.

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Spoiler: 344\Andy

@Andrius: That still does not explain why you answered for Kise. Why would you try to find townie motivations for his actions and then openly speculate about them? Granted, he could in deed have townie motivations for it, but he should be well able to explain himself anyway.

I didn't answer for him.
I named a reasonable town-motivation for doing so (and screwing around earlygame ofc).
Answering for him would be more of a "this why he did" whereas I simply went "this is (really) the only townmotivation for doing that". Besides earlygame shenanigans ofc.

Not got anything else to comment on?

CDB and I tend to just insult each other for a while.

Protecting your scumbuddy while trying to distance yourself from him by insulhing him? ("for a while", otherwise it's too obvious)

I hereby announce that the RvS is over!

Because I'm the law!

You're wrong, and you're scum.

Why not give it up already and tell me who your scumbuddies are?

Aaaaaand he's scum why?

Iecerint has a post restriction me thinks :p.

By the way, I've at least seen 2 or 3 character breadcrumbs. What's the point of doing that since alignments are random and not based on the show?

Whatever you do don't point them out.
Some of us make a living on bread...
Furthermore I'm not quite sure why you said this- as breadcrumbing doesn't necessarily argue for one alignment or the other here as character does not guarantee alignment.

@Iecerint

– if you are faking a Post restriction drop it in your next post and never let it return. Very anti-Town to fake regardless of how great you think a play it is.

:approval:

Not really since it allowed Kise to dodge answering directly (which he did).

Well it certainly wasn't my intent to let him dodge.

Yep I'll stop bs around and get to work really soon, I thought it would be useful for later but it seems it's only going to give me a bad image.

How is BS useful later?
All it does is stink and clutter the thread.

Vince seems like scum

Well.
Seems like scum is cool and all but is that a "seems like scum (and that's that)" or do you plan on doing anything with it?

@Vincnet- Did you ignore the rule about congratulating on purpose to piss off the mod?

Where did I break the congratulating rule anyways?

Nothing else to comment on? +1 scum

Agreed.

Unvote, Vote: Vincent####

Second off:

HOLY CRAP! STOP THE CRUMBING! This game claims to have no alignment bearing flavor, BUT this may not apply to role abilities.

One does not simply tell The Baker to stop breadcrumbing.
Yes you're right about the latter so stop talking about it[?]

Is this where he was scum in

the last game

your game?

Yep

Me and kdub...kdub and I....

*breaks under pressure*

ARE LOVERS!!!!

...are you allowed to love? I thought that was forbidden for a Jedi.

fuck the council and the dewback they rode in on.

Here's the problem, Nero never claimed to be a Jedi. Why would Kdub imply that love was forbidden for a JEDI, when there are obviously non-Jedi Characters in this game?

Kdub KNEW Nero was a Jedi. I think real-claiming lovers is about as dumb as it gets and I don't think Nero and Kdub are dumb. So that being said I am going to assume that they have an outside means of communication, which I am going to assume is a scum-QT. I'm going to:

UN-RVS-VOTE: Kdub and REAL-Vote: Kdub

Let's assume they actually ARE lovers.
And one of them is a Jedi.
Like, OH I DON'T KNOW, ANAKIN/PADME.
They would naturally know who each other are character-wise.
So Kdub knowing Nero was a Jedi is not a stretch.
Furthermore their "outside communication" is the Lover QT.

Uh, that was a continuation of the lovers thing. It was a direct quote from Episode 2 because I was playing along.

And suddenly that makes a bit more sense.



Malee is town for the massive wall thing.
Also has a point that WrathChild though they were scum despite thinking the lovers thing was a joke.
Though I will tell you now a shitload of "Null Reads" will soon be :notacceptable:.

Malee please view the activity overview

Now

If you can explain why you felt the need to make some huge town looking analysis which says very little when the game has only been out of RVS for about 3 pages that would be great.

STOP
HATIN IS BAD
If she wants to put in :crazyeffort: that's fine.
You're basically accusing her of trying while not actually calling it scum/town-motivated.
I'm sorry but that just doesn't float, and does much better than the guy not caring to follow rules.

Unvote, Vote: Slandaar

post count thing was me saying I have posted more than most.

Malee is prob scum

Because post count clearly justifies being tow- oh wait it does if you're Benmage right?

<spoilertag>OH WAIT NO IT DOESN'T</spoilertag>

Too bad you're not Benmage eh?

as town you would not care because you didnt post for towncred

Ummmmmmmmm I post for towncred as town.
Its a whole lot easier to get what you want when you're obvtown.

Though at the same time Slandaar does make a good point on the "OMGUS because you didn't think that was town" and he did a good job shaking my read. :/
No wait Malee didn't vote you or call you scum, Slandaar.
All she did was say "thats a scummy comment".

Nero Cain's fearmongering point on Malee is valid.

@Malee – I appreaciate the large content drop. One question – why did you actively spoiler your reads on players in that series of posts? I see no reason to do that.

Yeah me having to click all of those was a pain. :/

It also reduces the “I’m a hero” syndrome that single player Vigs tend to fall into – hitting their scum reads early as opposed to hitting lurkers

Some of us just happen to be really awesome Vigs.

If you are trying to say providing mass quantities of reads and content is scummy then prepare to eat blaster-fire. There is not one reason to take such a stance at this stage of the game.

DING DING DING

No, it's not a contradiction. Town decides who to shoot. If you are town and personally disagree with the target, it is still anti-town to break rank and shoot someone else because you are decreasing the town's influence.

Yes but the blindly-follow-the-leader without vigilante is what got the Republic turned into the EMPIRE.

Also don't understand the "Leaning Town" on Andrius at all. You think Fennin is prob. scum but Andrius not jumping on Fennin is a town tell? And he knows a good vote from a bad one?
-- Andrius: Scum by association if Malee is scum.

[crying] oobakin, you're breaking my heart! You're going down a path I cannot follow!
But seriously.
How am I scum if Malee is scum?
Do you not think I am town?
DONT MAKE ME ISO YOU YOU SITH CAT.

Also my vote was perfectly fine on multiple levels.
First off not voting whilst entering the game is bad. ---> Voteworthy.
Secondly if he is indeed Darth Maul there is perfectly good reason for me to be voting that Sith Scumbucket of Sithy Slime.
Try again SithCat.

@Malee – Are you an Alt? Don’t lie to me about it I will find out if you are.

The avatar makes me think LLD
And that makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

annoying walls of posts to justify activity and scum hunting, I have scum vibes ...

Vote: Malee

So Slandaar I didn't realize you had an alt in the game.
Scum vibes are fun and all but WHY is she scum for
1) being active
2) giving reads
3) not posting BS like another person we know...

My impression from the OP is that not everyone has guns. I suspect that people that don't have some awesome power probably have a blaster (i.e. VTs). I think it would be wise if we didn't discuss blaster plans too openly.

In general its 'k to be PEW PEW PEW from this list.
Its not 'k to go "ok who has a PEW PEW PEW and who has a BZZZT", etc.

annoying walls of posts to justify activity and scum hunting, I have scum vibes ...

Vote: Malee

Holy shit.

This guy, guys. This guy.

LETS GO RYZE ILL TANK TURRETFIRE FOR YOU PEW PEW PEW
But Slandaar first?

Are you an Alt? Don't lie to me about it I will find out if you are.

No, why do you ask? Maybe you have a déja-vu about the formatting of my reads, since I 'borrowed' it from Robotnick2, another player I played with in another game.

Anime avatar? Check.
Female? Check.
Tryharding? Check.
We found us a live one, guys.
You don't happen to be a fan of Umineko no naku koro ni would you?

Too many questions being directed at me not enough time to answer

I am town.

so no more suspicions need to come my way.

OK? OK!

Now let me scumhunt without being asked tons of useless questions.

You're shitting me.

Right?

As much as I am a diehard Star Wars fan I don't feel that I have the capability to keep up with this game and its many players. I think it might be better if I replaced out and let someone else more capable to play in stead of me.

@Mod: Replacing out, requesting replacement.

At least you realized this early-on.

Ooba : I have a leaning town read on Andrius, yes. It's my first impression, but he didn't post much. Leaning town doesn't mean strong town read.

ITS K IM HERE NOW
DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
*spins*


Oh wait.
WHY ON EARTH DID YOU POINT OUT SOMEONE ELSE'S BREADCRUMBS?

*sigh* this is slightly annoying. Not sure if the reason that Malee and Slandaar can't/didn't read is b/f thier newbyness or what.

Malee = New, prob. Alt

Slandaar =/= New

That is kind of scummy in my opinion. Why would someone playing a potentially powerful role like yoda want to crumb it?

Absolutely!!

Clearly you don't know the various joys, tastes, and flavors of breadcrumbing.
I would strongly advocate having a cursory knowledge of this art.

So wait, you are saying that MoI and SD attacking a painfully obvious townie is in their town meta? Or that Slandaar is town?

I didn't say they attack people who THEY consider to be painfully obvious. Slaandar's play is very similar to chesskid\gandalf in Battle for Olympus -very opinionated intuitive scumhunters. MoI\SD are pure logical players who will rip apart any logical mistakes made by scum. And since intuitive players make jumps that sometimes defy logic, they tend to appear scum-like to them.
I tend to do better at spotting townies in the intuitive category since I scumhunt by "vibe" and "feel" too.

CHESSKID is just lazy and while correct, doesn't actually do anything with reads besides HEY GUYS I FOUND SCUM.
I think its a bit early to be comparing him to chesskid methinks.

Man, I wish you guys wouldn't point out those crumbs!!

THIS THIS THIS

Replacing out when overwhelmed is not strictly a towntell.
Scum can do it too.

Welcome UberNinja. Please don't crumb, post fluff or vote against me and I'll be very happy :p

Crumbing can be very town.
Your hatred against MY PROFESSION is noted.
Hating OMGUS is also bad. :/

I also find the Fennin claim suspect. Why breadcrumb a character unless you are going to refer back to it. The role could be breadcrumbed by either, and be null. But purposefully crumbing a character generally thought of as good seems suspicious, since alignment is not based on characters
But people will react with prejudice that Yoda is good even though that may not be his alignment this game. You know, since it's Yoda.

If he isn't Yoda then he's insta-scum.
Only scum have reason to breadcrumb things that are not their role.
Open 239 anyone?

You say I am mafia?!!

No I was just curious, something struck me as very odd. Where did I say you were scum? Keep your shirt on!

Please do- let's not get the lil' lady all hot and bothered now.

ArmoredSaint, are you a native English speaker?

Every time I see someone do this I think of Vas in Greek Mythos. (And I sigh and wish he were here.)
But what do you hope to gain from this?

vote:male you die now mafia

"Read: What the- ARE U SRS!?"

/MS wins the thread

well hes voting malee so hes ok for now

Trolling games is not ok.

Ok let me make this abundantly clear:
I don't care if you can find breadcrumbs.
There is no town-motivation for outing them.
Period.

- The Baker

Spoiler: 345\Iecerint

Every time I see someone do this I think of Vas in Greek Mythos. (And I sigh and wish he were here.)
But what do you hope to gain from this?

Iecerint hopes the gain the same thing Iecerint hoped to gain when Iecerint asked this question in Greek Mythology. ArmoredSaint could be tone-misinterpreted due to English issues.
Iecerint thinks this should not be a difficult connection to make, especially since Andy already got the Greek Mythology connection?

Andy sees the game differently from Iecerint. (This last is Iecerint's comment on Andy's post as a whole.)

Spoiler: 346\Andy

Andy remembers the Greek Mythos connection but doesn't really remember what happened because of it. He remembers using it to beat people over the head and do the WHY ARE WE WASTING TIME thing but. :/

Spoiler: 347\MS

I really really REALLY need to give this game a once over- but I've been preoccupied with other things lately, so it might have to wait a little longer. /shrug

/shameless prod dodge is shameless

Spoiler: 348\Slandaar

What rule did I break Andrius?

also if you could explain why my accusation on Malee is more likely from scum me than town me?
Magna you can answer that also.

Spoiler: 349\Iece

Andy remembers the Greek Mythos connection but doesn't really remember what happened because of it. He remembers using it to beat people over the head and do the WHY ARE WE WASTING TIME thing but. :/

Iecerint reminds you that your scummate Jack started attacking Vasu because of a misinterpretation of his use of English. Iecerint was ambivalent about whether it was innocent, and Iecerint asked Vasu said question to make the misinterpretation clear.

/drunkpost

Spoiler: 350\Kdub

Sorry for the lack of activity lately, the next week or so is going to be a bit busy for me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fennin

Refusal to address anything other than his breadcrumb when the case on him encompasses more than that. I've asked Fennin twice about his stance on Slandaar/Malee, and he has ignored it both times.

Kurtis and WC are still suspicious.

Even though I have tended to agree with Slandaar's reads, I don't like how he bailed on his argument to accuse Magna of deflecting. If the argument against you is flawed, then address it directly.

Spoiler: 351\Magna

Yay, Andy is Town also. Please don’t pull another LoL-fueled absence like you did in Feast Andy.

I find it fascinating the number of “WrathChild is scummy and vote-worthy” comments that are being made all of which aren’t accompanied with votes towards WrathChild. If WrathChild does flip scum I’m guessing at least one of his partners is in the group that as of this post is doing what I see as possible soft-distancing.

And Kdub is still scum for his parked vote on Kurtis (which he made in Post 94 and did nothing with after that point), his "let's direct Blaster fire it's totesTown' post and his soft distancing from WrathChild.

--

He's extremely active on the rest of the site but is inactive here which I find to be a fairly good indication of scum.

You do understand this tell only works if said player is under significant pressure, right?

For the record – my limited experience with Elmo is “scatterbrained pre-VI Newb” so don’t expect support for his wagon at this stage with more active scummy players around. He’s always a possible PEW PEW as needed.

--

Trying to be a hero Magna?

Interesting.

Your continued inability to respond to my points and using deflection is noted.

also if you could explain why my accusation on Malee is more likely from scum me than town me?

Well Town doesn’t tend to fabricate “Posting like that is totally more likely to come from scum than Town” tells like you did at that stage. So by default it tends to come from scum.

But since you are in the mood –

Please explain why my play regarding calling you scum is more likely to come from scum than Town. I’m very much awaiting that insight. That is if you don't drop it like a hot-cake like you did every other point you don't want to refute.

--

I don't think it's me - equating playstyle with scumminess. I try to spot people who don't sound genuine and are opportunistic. Malee's hop on WC at that particular moment felt opportunistic to me.

Well I disagree. I don’t see that vote as opportunistic in the usual sense of scum attacking Town that made a dumb move. If anything it at most is a sign of possible early distancing (since Wrath has disappeared from Malee’s radar despite being very scummy) but that is dependant on Wrath’s flip.

And your including both on your early Post 147 list strikes me as odd given that the main lynchpin of your suspicion on Malee there is based on Wrath being Town.

@MoI: Why is Shadow obv-town though?

Much for the same reason you find Slaandar Town (god knows why, I might add) I find Shadow obv-Town. He’s approaching the game from a logical and Townie centered thought process.

His questions to Andrius around Post 73 follow my line of thinking – wanting to know why Andy short-circuited some Kise inquiry.

I feel similar to him regarding Slaandar’s poor early attack on Malee (which, as a side-note is another reason your Slaandar read is odd given you liked her string of reads per Post 147 ).

Post 317 oozes Town – he correctly identifies the portion of the Fennin pressure related to crumbing as crap (which it is) and correctly states that Fennin needs to provide actual readable content.

--

Iecerint thinks there is a difference between disagreeing with accompanying counter-reasoning (what Ooba did) and questioning someone's competence (what you did). Iecerint thinks this is why it is scummy in your case, but not Ooba's.

Well given that isn’t even close to what actually occurred I’m just going to lay it out since you have this ‘post restriction’.

Ooba suggests that I can’t read ‘intuitive players’ and that he is much better at that. His assertion is that my read on Slaandar is incorrect.

I suggest that he can’t read ‘logical players’ and that I am much better at that. I assert his read on Malee is incorrect (or was at the stage where he was calling her a top scum suspect since she's dropped down the list since then).

Your attempt to portray our statements as anything other than directly analogous is at best incorrect factually.

Spoiler: 352\Andy

I'm sorry but that just doesn't float, and does much better than the guy not caring to follow rules.

This was not in reference to you, Slandaar.
Didn't I make it quite clear in my post why you're scum?
If not feel free to let me know and I'll take a more chesskid Magna-esque approach to case-building on you.

Iece - Yeah, that seems about right. And you and Jack were 1v1ing for awhile and everyone was like TOWN V TOWN.
Then Vas died and ooba got confirmed.

Yay, Andy is Town also. Please don’t pull another LoL-fueled absence like you did in Feast Andy.

Its funny because I called LoL the "Bane of my MS existance" while playing the other day.
But yeah, as long as I'm caught up I do fine. (But really Magna, I don't know why you are complaining about my AFFC play. )

Slandaar and his alt are first for the ropes Magna.
Inquiries can be refered to the Jedi Temple.
I don't remember your stance on him off the top of my head but that push on

the LLD alt

Malee was very Sith-like.

Spoiler: 353\Andy

Much for the same reason you find Slaandar Town (god knows why, I might add)

NM I found it.

Spoiler: 354\Magna

Slandaar and his alt are first for the ropes Magna.

Andy - if WrathChild's wagon doesn't gain the steam necessary in the next few days I will join you.

What do you think of Wrath and Kdub?

Spoiler: 355\Iece

Iecerint thinks that it is pretty much always technically valid to reframe "questioning competence" as "asserting superior competence." Iecerint does not think that this is anything other than reframing the phenomenon.

Spoiler: 356\Nero

He's extremely active on the rest of the site but is inactive here which I find to be a fairly good indication of scum.

You do understand this tell only works if said player is under significant pressure, right?

For the record – my limited experience with Elmo is “scatterbrained pre-VI Newb” so don’t expect support for his wagon at this stage with more active scummy players around. He’s always a possible PEW PEW as needed.

no? I think it works just fine with lurk lurk lurk without pressure. If Elmo is scum then he'd have no reason to stop lurking unless he comes under significant pressure. Though our vig is like a second lynch so if he gets vigged here soon then I'll be happy.

vote:wrathchild

Spoiler: 357\Slan

Well Town doesn’t tend to fabricate “Posting like that is totally more likely to come from scum than Town” tells like you did at that stage. So by default it tends to come from scum.

But since you are in the mood –

Please explain why my play regarding calling you scum is more likely to come from scum than Town. I’m very much awaiting that insight. That is if you don't drop it like a hot-cake like you did every other point you don't want to refute.

Prove it

Show me another game where someone has posted so much content on page 6.

Or are you making things up to defend your accusation?

More likely to come from scum because;

Scum Magna - Town Malee (if Malee scum its obvious why)
'town effort posted and is being attacked by town, easy opportunity for meeee + buddy points with Malee bonus'

Then we have Town Magna - Malee???
'Malee effort walled and is being attacked wtf?'
Which implies the accusation on Malee I made is completely valid because the effect as scum she would be looking for worked.

If we look through the actual content of the walls... well there isnt much is there?

You cant see this though which is ridiculously scummy... You cannot get off thinking on L0, which indicates scum generally.

Thats why anyone looking at me is likely scum, because the thought process behind the attack is too low a level from town or they are really bad. you do not seem really bad therefore I come to scum.

Spoiler: 358\Malee

Save your breath Slandaar, I'm town no matter what the others alignments are.

Also no I didn't distance from Slandaar, but Slandaar is town for his actively contributions.

Weird post by Fennin since I pointed out a link between him and Kurtis in #324, not you. Why did you ignore his post?

Anime avatar? Check.
Female? Check.
Tryharding? Check.

We found us a live one, guys.

You don't happen to be a fan of Umineko no naku koro ni would you?

I already told MoI that I wasn't anyone's avatar, feel free to check out if you want. And I don't know a lot of Anime stuff besides some classics I grew up with. Besides, what has this to do with this game?

About revealing crumbs, I only revealed a really obvious one, and that's because Slandaar didn't get it. If it was right or wrong to do it is another story, it's not like I revealed some some ubber town PR ready to get killed by scum, we don't know anything about Yoda's abilities. But I get it and I won't do it again, promise!

Spoiler: 359\Slan

I know he didnt distance from me...

Spoiler: 360\Kurtis

No I didn't it was an obvious mistake I was in a hurry I meant Fennin not Slandaar stop trying to make me appears as scum I'm not

Vote: Malee

[Shadow Dancer]

I'm gonna go ahead and "Chainsaw" here (I think that's what it's called) and VOTE: MaguaofIllusion.

OK, you are an absolute newb, so I'll give you a free pass for this. This is not what chainsaw means, nor what you should do as town anyway. Please do not try to "act pro" by throwing some lingo around, just be honest and patient and you'll learn the important things eventually. Being inexperienced is not a shame, but acting like a jerk in a futile attempt to appear expert is.

And please, refrain from quoting other people'w walls in full length. You can reference them with a link and metaphrase important parts you want to comment on, but most people don't like to read those kind of posts and will loathe any one who forces them to wallow through them twice. The more your posts stand and are comprehensible for themselves the better.

[Foxace36]

I didn't intend to act like a jerk. Sorry if I appeared that way >.< . Still leanrning a lot.

[Slandaar]

Fox can we expect your next wall today? also hit preview this time before hitting post.

[Slandaar]

Also dont listen to SD hes being ridiculous because hes scum.

[Foxace36]

Maybe, after that huge fail, I'm pretty dam unmotivated. Might be a while.


Hmm, how do I link things to a specific post?

[Slandaar]

copy link location of the post then use the url tab thingy.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Or if you are in the same thread use [p@st=185][/post] with the @ replaced with an o.

Example - Post 185

[Foxace36]

Alright, thanks guys ^_^

[Slandaar]

Magna

I am town

Who is scum?

[MagnaofIllusion]

ooba has also disappeared from the site twice in the past year. I'm not really surprised at his low activity.

I know this to be true but when he does he disappears completely. Scum ooba does tend to post in a very different way than Town ooba. Look at Back to the Future Mafia (if it still exists) or Atomic Mafia as examples.

Now that he’s here and posting I think I’ll be able to get a good read on him.

So I'm limiting my exposure to LoL, Magna. As I said inthread I was V/LA through the weekend so Monday was the first day I really had to read. I TRY MY MASTER.

I keep on top of you because I care Andy. I had no reason to keep you motivated in AFFC because it suited my purposes to have disintested Andy around for possible mislynch. Here I don’t want you sliding into disintrest. Town needs all the voices it can get active given we have so many missing players currently.

--

I appreciate that Kdub continues to soft-sell his interest on Wrathchild in Post 174.

--

- I dispute this statement: "He's not posting here while posting everywhere else on site = scum". If I want to avoid posting in a particular game as scum, I tend to avoid posting on the site altogether (barring circumstances where I'm modding). Selectively ignoring one game is a surefire way of drawing attention to yourself - which is exactly what you don't want to be doing as scum.

Yes, I agree that doing it in the manner described is not a smart move. The kicker for me (and why I’m not letting Slandaar go yet) is two-fold

1. The timing of his return is just after I called out his absence. Possibly coincidence, but then …
2. He actively posted in the Reboot Queue thread once and NEVER checked back in to look at the status. I can’t reconcile that behavior with anything other than sheer incompetence and I’m trying hard to not assume people are morons.

Yes, at the end of the Day it’s not the flaming dagger of scum-tell on it’s own. But I had a scum-read on Slandaar before “Post-gate”.

I didn't say the RVS-vote was scummy. The contradictory part was calling it a RV but then accusing SD of chainsawing -implying he thought Iece was scum when he made that vote.

That makes sense then, thanks.

So, yeah, that's my way of admitting my initial vote may have been due to a difference in playstyle and probably wrong.

Ok, that makes sense.

Your turn to unvote Slan and join me on the WC wagon; Slan is not a good lynch; Forget "Back to the Future Mafia" and think more "Battle For Olympus" - should make it easier.

But Back to the Future was so much more recent …

I’m not removing my scum read on Slandaar but I will work with you on Wrath since I have a scum read on him also.

UNVOTE: Slandaar
VOTE: WrathChild

--

Magna

I am town

Who is scum?

I’ll tell you who else are my scum reads --

WrathChild – I will codify my prior thread suspicion into a case.

Kdub – Blaster direction stance + lack of understanding of the process (Kdub is not a dummy and clearly is familiar with nuanced and complex mechanics), stance on Fennin, and distancing links to WrathChild.

Those are my strongerst reads outside yourself. There are undoubtedly scum in the lurkers / non-returing slots just based on the massive amount we have.

But here's a question to you - why do you suspect Wrath?

[Slandaar]

I caught a glimpse of his true self around post 80

Spoiler:

Might go into detail later dont feel like it right now.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Might go into detail later dont feel like it right now.

Put it this way - if you don't go into detail about it within 24 hours I stop listening to ooba, move my vote back to you, and campaign for your lynch the rest of the day.

[Slandaar]

Explain why I should? what does it matter if I do or dont post it? I have locked myself into the reasoning and the posts from which the reasoning stems... yet you suggest I have no reasoning? or what? why are you trying to make me post a case on WC when I want the SD lynch?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Explain why I should? what does it matter if I do or dont post it? I have locked myself into the reasoning and the posts from which the reasoning stems... yet you suggest I have no reasoning? or what? why are you trying to make me post a case on WC when I want the SD lynch?

Well because if you want me to take you seriously with there being any possibility of you NOT being Mafia this game you need to start somewhere.

You want to play the "I'm not going to give reasons because I'm totes cool" game feel free to continue.

Posting a general post number and a stupid picture isn't reasoning. Sorry ... it's not. Be explicit as to what specifically you see as scummy behavior and why you think it is such.

Or don't and get wagon / Blasterized. I'm not too particular at this point.

@ooba

- Please either get your Town read to not play like Sammy Scumbag or stop trying to convince me he's a bad lynch.

[Slandaar]

What is scummy about not posting it in the next 24 hours?

Also why are you not voting SD? I see you reply to nearly all my posts but not my case on SD, couldnt find a fault? strange... so you must think hes scum?

[MagnaofIllusion]

What is scummy about not posting it in the next 24 hours?

Also why are you not voting SD? I see you reply to nearly all my posts but not my case on SD, couldnt find a fault? strange... so you must think hes scum?

I’m going to address this post in relation to the two halves.

On Part 1 –

There is nothing scummy about 24 hours. That’s an arbitrary deadline I have established. What’s scummy is saying “I think WC scum”, being asked why, and responding with a vague reference, a picture of a bird, and the phrase “I’m not motivated, maybe later”. The deadline is to induce motivation.

On Part 2 –

1. The cheeky stance that “I’ve read your case and couldn’t find fault with it so I must agree” just absolutely oozes as "Look at me I'm scum". It couldn’t be farther from the truth. I read your case. It was as non-compelling to me as I’m guessing it has been to everyone else given that it has generated no support. Whatever your personal delusion about it being “rock-solid” stems from it’s completely misplaced.

2. Shadow is Town. I’ve gone so far as to call him obv-Town. I didn’t like him in my recent run-down of scum. Your inference here is that I’m scum because I’m not acting logically for reasons A and B when both are fabriactions on your part.

[Shadow Dancer]

Meh... Things got stretched out a bit for, me it's late now, I am tired and got somewhat of a headache... Looks I won't manage to do the extensive posting I want to do before the weekend after all... I just hope some of the lurkers/replacements have joined by then.

Maybe, after that huge fail, I'm pretty dam unmotivated. Might be a while.
Hmm, how do I link things to a specific post?

Don't feel low. Just don't try to pretend to be some one you aren't or know something you don't... If it cheers you up: Honestly trying newbies are among my favourite players to play with. They are generally easy to read and being inexperienced does in no way suggest being incapable in any way. This thread needs quality posters more than anything right now.

[Shadow Dancer]

Magna, could you please manage to just ignore Slan for some time. It's going nowhere where it has not been already...

Slan, if you have a case on Wrath, present it, hand out a FoS, pretend he's my scum buddy or whatever you like. But if you are just trolling I'll not even care for your alignment any more and lynch you no matter what...

[WrathChild]

Impressions from Re-Read:

1. Kurtis' participation has been minimal. What posts he has are contentless or scummy. Look at #56, #76 and #230.
2. Peregrine has been posting fluff and has yet to do any real scum hunting. #74 in particular, Peregrine basically said "Yeah I am posting fluff, here's more fluff". The only real attacks Peregrine has made have been on the coatails of others versus my self and Fennin. In post #253 he accuses Midnight of no scum hunting (constantly asks for other peoples reads on midnight as well and attacks him in #309 as well, which is ironic because in post #175 he asks me to point out Midnight's "Fluff posting" implying that I was defacing Midnight's good name by saying something he says 75 posts later. Peregrine has really pushed the lynch to land on me, but what really stands out to me about Peregrine is that in post #307, Peregrine comes back and responds to single Derp post by elmo 50 posts earlier, ignoring several important issues that arose during that time including but not limited to Vincent Out Saint Troll in, Fennin Yoda claim, Iec Jar Jar claim and restriction reveal, Slandaar's attack on shadow. When I read the Elmo post (#259) I felt it was jibber jabber and did not warrant any other response than a head slap. I just feels weird that's what he'd come in and focus on first thing. Also, following the rebirth of the thread Peregrine has made no effort.
3. Generally I get a sincere feeling from Malee's posts (maybe some ignorance on the issues with pointing out breadcrumbs) and felt that the Slandaar attack against her was a fail case and was pushed way too long. However, I felt that Slandaar's case against Fennin was better constructed. Later though Fennin votes Slandaar for attacking Malee, something about this seems important to me but I can't put my finger on it. The problem with Slandaar is that he seems to be over-aggressive and defensive at the same time. I need to meta him to see if this is normal. I do take it as a good sign that he was willing to back off Malee eventually.
4. Nexus has been near useless/scummy
5. Kdub makes a good case against Fennin pre-crumbgate. I get a protown feeling from Kdub.
6. Ooba's posts seem a bit hollow. #89 he declares Slandaar and Iec are town for no reason. #149 he echoes his comments in #89 but he also attacks me for pushing the jed-slip case but also attacks Malee for a bad case on me. In #204 and #205 he chides Fennin for voting Slandaar but does not move his vote. He doesn't finally reveal his reasoning for thinking Slandaar is town until post #333 in which he says it for mirroring his thoughts. Again he declares Iec town for no reason. Finally he misreps me by saying that I said Trolls = Scum, when in fact I said Trolls don't get replace out town-cred. I have a bad feeling about Ooba.
7. The Fennin issues have been beat to death, but they're issues non-the-less. I don't think I need to recap them all here. Malee, Kdub and Slandaar have all made initial attacks on Fennin, so I'd keep them in the clear if Fennin flips scum.
8. I think MoI has been pro-town and don't like the Slandaar lashes at him lately. I don't know MoI's meta totally but I played on the scum team with him in one of my first games here and he's playing very different this game.
9. Midnight has contributed nearly nothing and post #247 really rubs me the wrong way, where after a long posting gap he basically comes in and jokes and leaves commenting on none of the content. Peregrine has been pushing Midnight suspicions (not in the best way), so if Midnight flips scum I may give Peregrine a pass. It troubles me that Iec declared Midnight town in post #284 and #315 basically boiling it down to a gut read.
10. I don't think Iec is faking the posting restriction, I don't think scum would be given that post restriction, which is why I was troubled by what I wrote in the point above.
11. Channel Delibird, Elmo, Kurtis, Midnight, Andy and Nexus have all been pretty worthless this game. I need to double check who's replacing out.

So those are my feelings from the re-read. Now I need to look at current events more closely.

[WrathChild]

Sorry, I got addicted to boardgamegeek during the site break and forgot about this for the last two days - I'm back to my usual posting self (I hope) …

Things of note in new thread:

I did not receive a prod for the game.

Shadow

+: Calling out Nero for vote on Iece
-: Reducing Fennin's case to "breadcrumb=scummy"

Slandaar

Seems different somehow. I'll attribute it to the fact that "loss of thread"+"posting gap" is disorienting.
Slandaar vs SD reminds me of this exchange:
- Elmo votes me for not posting
- I post soon thereafter (coincidence)
- He says it is indicative of scum
- My thoughts at that time were "Rotten Logic. I would have never done that as scum (i.e the timing of it all)"

Nero:

-: Has mentioned his vote in this thread was RVS or non serious. But then calls out SD for "chainsawing" implying SD and Iece are partners and he called Iece as scum.
Addn: Shifting this to neutral because his definition of chainsaw is different from mine: "A chainsaw is player C attacks player B for attacking player A.

A and C are scumbuddies

". Will have to check if Nero sticks to this definition of "chainsaw" in other games.

- WC's 75 reminds me of LC's post in Battle for Olympus. A small post damaging the credibility of one player while seemingly looking "active".

Foxace

(who replaced Vincent):
-: Attacking Iece for post-restriction slippage
-: Reading the gist and calling Magna vs Slandaar TvT (or TvsScumTryingTooHard)

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@Magna:
- Fennin was (is) no where to be seen. WC's notes were interesting but I wanted to see it's conclusion (i.e his scum list) before I open up the zip.
- I also think you're wrong about Slaandar. I'd like to point out the logical vs emotional theory I had earlier. Can see parallels with respect to Chess and Gandalf in BoM. (I'm not sure if I responded to SD's statement about chess being a "troll" that game; I thought he wasn't trolling and was trying hard to scumhunt until called out)

Unvote.Vote: WC

on account of being my #2 suspect in the earlier thread and post 75 in this one. I also have my reservations against post 21 in this thread but I'll wait till you finish and reply to it en masse.

So you're not the only one calling #75 scummy, however I fail to see what was scummy about it. Please expand.