Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia (Game Over!)

[vijay2vasandani]

Before I go and play Ping-Pong with たかひろ, I just want to say: isn't all cops investigating the same person a severe waste of resources? (We lose less entropy, etc) I'm almost wary of IceGuy/v2v just for supporting it, but I may be overlooking some deeper motivation.

Until Thursday, I won't have time for analysis of anyone in particular. Sorry.

Also, why did you leave Glass out? He also agrees with the idea.

[BBmolla]

Hi guis

I'm exhausted from work, I'll try to get to this tomorrow.

[Voidedmafia]

Question answered. ActionDan can stay. Still need one for Otto and iStark now, though.

EDIT: also, DeltaWave and Malthusis have been prodded.

EDIT2:

Votecount 1.2:

DeltaWave - IceGuy, kondi2424, iStark
Glass - ActionDan
IceGuy - vijay2vasandani
Rylai Crestfall - Malthusis
vijay2vasandani - Rylai Crestfall
kondi2424 - Luckyjt
ActionDan - Glass

Not Voting: BBmolla, Lopsy, Otto von Clark

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-04-05 15:06:38)

Lopsy is V/LA until Thursday

[DeltaWave]

Ow, I've been prodded. Okay. I'll catch up.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: actiondan

Yes, you did:

Similarly, I can't reconcile how you are ok with Otto since "his vote is in the right place" but are not willing to reach out and do the same for Rylai.

I meant if you are ok with Otto's vote, why not be ok with Rylai's?

That is not at all why I am (was) voting rylai...

Deltawave's claim is starting to sound bullshit. However, I am not willing to lynch him today. Why?
1) This is a closed set up. We have no idea what the set up is. Sure, there may be cops because of the theme, but I'm not gonna believe it without a claim or some flips. Same thing with a miller.
2) What if he flips town who doesn't know how to deal with a miller claim? Where do we go from his flip? His ISO is so bare, there's really nothing to go on that. We'd basically be in the same position on D2 because of lack of connections from our lynch target.
3) He claimed miller. He's basically set up for a policy lynch before Lylo. I do not that want day to be D1.
4) I saw someone else do this kind of weird miller claim in another game.

God. Another scummy person. So you don't want to lynch someone who you think is lying about being miller because...
1. He miggghhttt be miller
2. We wouldn't have anything to go on for D2. BS. We have the same amount of info as if anyone else was lynched, looking over what dead people said isnt very productive, its better to look at how people attacked the dead-town and the wagon. Also, people have (or at least should have) suspicions regardless of the flip.
3. You dont want to policy lynch someone d1? You want to policy lynch them later? wtf?
4. There was a miller claim in another game.

This is the main reason I am (was) voting for him. There were a few minor other scummy things though.

But regarding actiondan: his whiteknighting of rylai is ridiculous, and since they know each other I think it is more likely that actiondan is scum and trying to buddy up to rylai than anything else. His chainsaw defense ultimatum doesn't help his case either.

That was me wondering why you were ok with Otto VOTING vijay but not ok with rylai VOTING vijay. I never implied that you thought or should have thought that Otto was scum. Seriously, read that sentence twice .

You said much eariler that you agreed with Vijay's case against Rylai, so don't give me that BS that you are voting Rylai because of the above paragraph. (Which incidentally is :bad logic: on Rlai's part, but since no vote was attached, it isn't particulary scummy)

However you still haven't said why your suspcion of Vijay vanished into thin air.

Your vote on me is absurb. I will defend my town reads vigorously from being mislynched. Suddenly I'm buddying the guy you think is scum, is that right? (btw, Lopsy is more of a town read than Rylai, by the slightest bit)


My activity will be sparse for the week, but hopefully monday I'll be getting in a one post/day routine again.

[Glass]

Also, why did you leave Glass out? He also agrees with the idea.

Because Im obv-town.

That was me wondering why you were ok with Otto VOTING vijay but not ok with rylai VOTING vijay. I never implied that you thought or should have thought that Otto was scum. Seriously, read that sentence twice .

Where did I say I was not okay with rylai voting vijay?

You said much eariler that you agreed with Vijay's case against Rylai, so don't give me that BS that you are voting Rylai because of the above paragraph.

I am pretty sure I know the reason for my rylai vote better than you. It doesn't even make sense that that is the reason I am voting rylai, if that were the case I would have voted for him when I agreed with the case, no?
It is only after rylai made that post that I felt that he was potentially scummier than vijay, hence why I unvoted in my post addressing it.

(Which incidentally is :bad logic: on Rlai's part, but since no vote was attached, it isn't particulary scummy)

However you still haven't said why your suspcion of Vijay vanished into thin air.

Because it hasn't. It is just that my suspicion of you+rylai+malth is now greater than vijay, and nothing new has come out of vijay for me to question.

Your vote on me is absurb. I will defend my town reads vigorously from being mislynched. Suddenly I'm buddying the guy you think is scum, is that right? (btw, Lopsy is more of a town read than Rylai, by the slightest bit)

Defending your town read is one thing, attacking an attacker simply because he is an attacker (AKA chainsaw defense) is something completely different.

@Malth
Do you still think that delta's claim is fake?

[Voidedmafia]

And iStark replied before being replaced, so he's back.

Still looking for an Otto replacement.

[malthusis]

@Malth
Do you still think that delta's claim is fake?

Something still rubs me the wrong way about that claim, but I'm more willing to lynch Rylai at this point in the game.

Here's a question to you:

But regarding actiondan:

his whiteknighting of rylai is ridiculous,

and since they know each other I think it is more likely that actiondan is scum and trying to buddy up to rylai than anything else.

His chainsaw defense ultimatum doesn't help his case either.

I agree with you on the bolded points, but what things have AD and Rylai done to make you think that Dan is just buddying up to a weak townie instead of them being scumbuddies?

I'll be V/LA tomorrow, it's Hunger Games premiere and I'm psyched to check it out.

[malthusis]

Also, digging up in the old thread revealed this gem:
(ActionDan)

Vijay when I have a bit more time, you're going to burn.

All your shit about the fake hammer was one big farce which includes a variety of lies.

I took the time to search all your current games, and in only 1/5 has there been a "fake" hammer which has to be the one you are referencing. Reading how it came about combined with what you have spouted off this game, it makes it obvious you are just stringing us along.

You go on for several wall posts about Vijay's guilt, with supporting arguments and evidence to back it up.Why are you voting Glass if you seriously thing that Vijay is scum that badly? Seems a bit petty to vote Glass to protect Rylai, don't you think?

[iStark]

Sup.

Sounds like you're just looking for an easy out bro.

Rofl
Trying to form wagon on player slot with controversial claim is easy way out? Nice.

What has everyone else done to indicate they are town?

Certainly more then this.

iStark gained scumpoints for Post 19.

I agree with lopsy on this one though.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3924063

@Void: Thanks for understanding situation and letting me continue

[iStark]

Actiondan wrote:I will defend my town reads vigorously from being mislynched. Suddenly I'm buddying the guy you think is scum, is that right? (btw, Lopsy is more of a town read than Rylai, by the slightest bit)

All I've to say on this Rylai thing is, he hasn't actually posted at all to defend himself nor his vote, I don't know why it's town behavior for you.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3917308

Ok, acceptable, every one had that problem.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3924370

That not so ''half ass'' post is yet to come.

Rylai's game play doesn't look like anything more then opportunistic scum play to me

Actiondan, My town read on you is being effected in bad way due to you defending Rylai so much.

[Voidedmafia]

IceGuy and kondi have been prodded

[IceGuy]

Nothing going on, waiting for replacements.

[kondi2424]

Nothing going on, waiting for replacements.

[Voidedmafia]

And Korlash replaces Otto von Clark immediately, FINALLY giving us the full playerlist. *victory fanfare from one of the FF's*

[ActionDan]

Dodging. I don't have the time I need. waiting for glorious Monday!

[Korlash]

Oh my God no, not Korlash... Everybody run...

Oh wait...

Um, ignore all that... >.>

So Hi. I'm currently in the phase of being depressed and non-jubilant but I assure you as soon as that passes (maybe in about an hour or so) I will crack open that file link and proceed to download the game... Then give up, cursing, and fall back into depression once I realize how inept I am at such tasks... then, mere moments later as I sit in my bathtub shoveling down spoonfuls of cookie dough ice cream with the shower running I'll remember that I'm Korlash and I'll just play the game anyways cause, fuck yeah, I'm Korlash... It's a viable reason, I assure you.

And now that I've sufficiently wasted a good portion of each of your lives I once again warn you to run away screaming.

Dodging. I don't have the time I need. waiting for glorious Monday!

We're all waiting for Glorious Funday Monday sir... The jubilation and exuberant fanfare... A day when we shelve our goals and tediousness in favor of just simply dicking around... Sigh, happy days are soon to come...

So yeah... gimmie about an hour or so people...

[vijay2vasandani]

^ no. Why you no post nao?

P.S. IceGuy is probably scum. With Rylai.

[vijay2vasandani]

That's a joke by the way Korlash

[Korlash]

It's pronounced: Kor-lash... Say it with me... Core... Layisha... So, "Why you no post

Korlash

?" =D

P.S. IceGuy is probably scum. With Rylai.

Hmmm... Clever use of logic sir, I cannot disagree with you... However, I like to make my own wild accusations before I let others talk me into things. So now that I'm in a slightly better mood, time to read up on all you lot's dirty skeletons in the toilet... or however that saying goes.

-edit-

That's a joke by the way Korlash

Everything about Korlash is a joke... And very little of it turns out to be funny I'm afraid.

[Korlash]

*yawn* I'm not really a fast reader when I replace into games, but I lose even more speed trying to read without avatars to use as guidance. I'm saddened to see my top scum pick without a current vote. Wonder what happens in the second half that changes things... Hmmm. *scratches chin* hmmm indeed...

[Korlash]

*Even more yawn* Almost done. I'm thinking Kondi, V2v, and someone on his wagon... Maybe Glass or Rylai... Unelss something changes in the last couple of pages...

Can anyone give me a run down of 'current cases' for instance why people are voting Delta. Lastly, if there is any reason to think the above four are town let me know eh. Thanks...

[kondi2424]

You're kidding, right?

[Korlash]

Blah, ok so I saw Delta's claim.... Eh, I could go either way but I'd prefer leaving him be for the time being.

You're kidding, right?

... I never kid, you're incapable of understanding my bland sense of humor anyway so there isn't a point. At this point I'm most confident about V2V and you fall... oh... a few pegs lower. I'll leave the third alone for now since it won't do me any real good.

Vote: vijay2vasandani

I expect my views to change as I actually start playing. I'm not going to force myself to have to live by what I gathered from the restored pages. it's too much to ask really, that was after all another game. Still it's a starting place so unsarcastic wooooo!

Oh right... Damn my own rules... I guess I have to have some reasoning behind it.

Mostly I feel the push on Ice and the resulting wagon on DW were scum oriented means to reduce pressure on V2V's wagon. (hence why Kondi falls in as number 2) I don't put a lot of weight into his fake hammer since I've done gambit moves as both alignments before but I also don't like the extent of his explanation. it falls into the same trap that Delta's Claim did. i.e. he spread it out too far and thus created reasonable doubt as to his alignment.

For instance, if V2V's fake hammer was in fact a gambit, then his reasoning should have been crystal clear beforehand. Thus, when it (failed?) and he was forced to explain it, it should have gone something like "I did this for blank with intentions of blank." instead, he merely said "he saw it once" and then due to his lack of clarity met with ill fortune later. Doesn't actually feel like a planned 'gambit' and sounds more like a failed cover up. still, I'm not holding it to the highest of standards but I can't simply ignore it either.

[vijay2vasandani]

Wait, so are you saying I thought I was actually hammering?

I saw the fakehammer in the other game, (which due to rollback has dissolved, and you'll be interested to know that the guy we all had as conftown was actually scum X.X) and decided to use it in this one but for a different reason. I don't know how I wasn't clear about my reasoning to you tbh.