Open 382: Friends and Enemies in MSPaint! (Game Over)

[Slandaar]

You still have not said anything about it

Why did you bring the vote to our attention?

is it scummy? then why didnt you vote him? otherwise why did you point it out like that?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I don't know what to think of it aside the fact that your avy is creeping me out from Game Of Thrones. /topic


Back on topic looking at it I think its too hard to tell. But for now it looks town because he should have known he would bring attention to himself by doing it. Maybe he's trying to play a gambit in the 1st page of the game to say "hey Im here and Im going to do some crazy things."

[Slandaar]

If its too hard to tell (I agree it means nothing imo except basically what you said re crazy things) then you know why people did not pay attention to it.

Conclusion;
Your post was pointless and contradicts the idea of trying to push the game forward while complaining of a slow game.
If you wanted to move the game forward you could have easily voted Pizza... easily. Or just joined wagon Rainbow.

I probably would have voted you... but I like my rainbow vote

[Elmo TeH AzN]

You can say the same thing though about joining the Rainbow wagon, knowing fully well that Rainbow is V/LA
Your right I should put my vote on Pizza and I will. Lately Ive been lax with my votes. Dunno why.
VOTE: Pizza

[Alicewondering]

Hmm, okay, Slan. I'm glad to see your creepy baby face back though. Interesting point about Pizza, but I don't see the scum-motivation.

VOTE: Elmo

[Furcolow]

VOTE: Pizza teh azn

[Furcolow]

EBWOP: i mean elmo

[Furcolow]

Also, I'd like to get some general feelers out
What do you all see as being a good method of scumhunting?
I personally find gimmicks to be very underrated. For example, reaction testing, or meta, can actually be very beneficial. Who can decipher honesty in a game of mafia, though? Easy. Someone who is good at reading meta. Reactions are also the key to some people slipping up, that can't be argued.

What do you all imagine will be the methods with which we will use to catch scum this game?

I'm going to put my money on voting analysis. I enjoy seeing which players bounce around more, seeing who is on what wagon, and analyzing the voting versus peoples words. It's fun!

[Blueberry]

VOTE: Pizzadudes
For not making a move yet in Munchkin.

You can say the same thing though about joining the Rainbow wagon, knowing fully well that Rainbow is V/LA
Your right I should put my vote on Pizza and I will. Lately Ive been lax with my votes. Dunno why.
VOTE: Pizza

How can one vote someone twice anyway?

What do you all see as being a good method of scumhunting?

I usually prefer watching people's posts together (through ISOlations) - voting patterns, how one's thoughts and actions change and do they contradict each other. (For example, Elmo voting a person twice)

What do you all imagine will be the methods with which we will use to catch scum this game?

I can imagine people doing that reaction test thing.

VOTE: Kamikrazy for not posting yet despite posting somewhere else after the topic was opened.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

How can one vote someone twice anyway?

This is the 2nd game this week I've done this in.
/facepalm

[Haze]

back from v/la

Will read rvs soon~

[Slandaar]

Meta isnt a gimmick.
Reaction testing/fishing is absolutely awful most of the time because people dont understand it.
Elmo forgetting who he voted... hmmmmmmm.

Alice... I do make interesting points sometimes!

[Pizzadudes7]

VOTE: Pizza teh azn

Elmo, was that you ast that party I fucked? This must be our kid, so. DIBS ON DUDE IN RELATIONSHIP!!!

[Hoopla]

ManiacalLemon

has requested replacement.

Hylian

is taking that slot.

Rang Tangler

still hasn't confirmed, so I'll be finding a replacement for him shortly as well.

Day 1, Vote Count #2

With thirteen alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch. Deadline is schedueled for 10:00 GMT, April 4th <Countdown>.

Elmo TeH AzN -

3

(Rainbowdash, Alicewondering, Furcolow)

Rainbowdash -

2

(Kassadin, Slandaar)

Pizzadudes7 -

1

(Elmo TeH AzN)

kondi2424 -

1

(kondi2424)

Kassadin -

1

(Hylian)

Alicewondering -

1

(Pizzadudes7)

Kamikrazy -

1

(Blueberry)

Not voting -

3

(Rang Tangler*, Kamikrazy, Haze)

*Asterix denotes unconfirmed players

[Rainbowdash]

No pony answer any of Furcolows questions.

Time to lay ground rules for this one now that I have the time to spell them out, also because in the original draw I got Mason so these were discussed a bit in the QT although I was iffy about how to introduce them without looking like mason a bit. Now I can just say is because it was in my first draw

1) This is a 13 player game. If it reaches a F3 it means that scum had five kills. There are three ponies that scum are 100% forced to kill, so they have two free kills. This means we play it conservatively around lynches and leads me to the rule

Rule #1

- You do not lynch without a claim. Period. If we accidently lynch a mason, it gives scum a free kill. This is something we dont risk leading me to

Rule #2

- If you are putting somepony at L-1, argueably L-2, say so. In VERY VERY OBVIOUS words. This eliminates scum trying to circumvent Rule #1 by saying they didnt know the votecount, or inobservant town accidently hammering.

2) The rest of the rules revolve around claiming since that can be tricky as well. They are:

Rule #3

- Dont fakeclaim. If you are VT you are claiming VT and not trying to "draw the kill" by claiming mason. If you are a mason you arent trying to be clever by claiming VT. Ive lost enough games by somepony thinking they are smart and lying about their role.

Rule #4

- No lynching a mason without a counter. Obvious but needs to be said.

Rule #5

- Masons should counter a fakeclaim. It should be countered by the mason who is in the worst position gamewise, meaning the one who is most likely to be lynched if the fakeclaimant is viewed as town. From the counter we have

Rule #6

- Town WITHOUT VOTING decides who is scum, and EVERYPONY must vote in this (masons vote so your partner is town). At that point, they must have a partner claim with them or be lynched. If they have a partner claim with them, the other must have a partner meaning two scum would need to be caught.

So thats how we play this strategy wise.

@Slandaar - Would you consider Kadassin a below or above average strength player?

unvote
Vote Pizza

[Slandaar]

Why do you ask?

unrelated;
Have you played with Elmo or Pizza before?

[Rainbowdash]

Why do you ask?

Because its useful for my reads.

unrelated;
Have you played with Elmo or Pizza before?

Dont think I ever have.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So Rainbow is town. Nice rules btw. And I've neverplayed with Rainbow before. Almost joined a couple of his games but never did.

[Pizzadudes7]

Why do you ask?

unrelated;
Have you played with Elmo or Pizza before?

Never played with me. Also, Slandaar, I will be making a far larger effort here than in other games.

[Alicewondering]

I like Rainbow's rules, but I'd like to add one--I don't think masons should claim until absolutely necessary. Having a 3 person conf-town bloc could be really useful when there aren't a lot of people yet.

[Pizzadudes7]

I like Rainbow's rules, but I'd like to add one--I don't think masons should claim until absolutely necessary. Having a 3 person conf-town bloc could be really useful when there aren't a lot of people yet.

That

SHOULD

go without saying, but people can be stupid.

[Rainbowdash]

So Rainbow is town.

Was there ever any doubt? Im almost happy this reset because now I can say all my mason stuff publically since I was nervous saying that last run would make me obviously a mason. Now I can just point to "mason run one" and not worry about what I look like.

Also we can really get a pizza wagon here. He has made all fluff comments but still managed to random vote outside of his first post, and is trying to appeal to Slandaar who apart from me seems to be the only one really pushing the game along at this point.

@Alice - Thats like saying "no claiming scum to reaction test" since I dont think anypony is derpy enough to actually try something like that. Then again we do have kondi self-voting so maybe it needs to be said. That said kondi-scum means elmo-town. Just saying.

But really, we can end RVS here with pizza wagon.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Was there ever any doubt? Im almost happy this reset because now I can say all my mason stuff publically since I was nervous saying that last run would make me obviously a mason. Now I can just point to "mason run one" and not worry about what I look like.Also we can really get a pizza wagon here. He has made all fluff comments but still managed to random vote outside of his first post, and is trying to appeal to Slandaar who apart from me seems to be the only one really pushing the game along at this point.

No there really wasn't. But I didn't do much to move the game along then I take it

[Kassadin]

No pony answer any of Furcolows questions.

Time to lay ground rules for this one now that I have the time to spell them out, also because in the original draw I got Mason so these were discussed a bit in the QT although I was iffy about how to introduce them without looking like mason a bit. Now I can just say is because it was in my first draw

1) This is a 13 player game. If it reaches a F3 it means that scum had five kills. There are three ponies that scum are 100% forced to kill, so they have two free kills. This means we play it conservatively around lynches and leads me to the rule

Rule #1

- You do not lynch without a claim. Period. If we accidently lynch a mason, it gives scum a free kill. This is something we dont risk leading me to

Rule #2

- If you are putting somepony at L-1, argueably L-2, say so. In VERY VERY OBVIOUS words. This eliminates scum trying to circumvent Rule #1 by saying they didnt know the votecount, or inobservant town accidently hammering.

2) The rest of the rules revolve around claiming since that can be tricky as well. They are:

Rule #3

- Dont fakeclaim. If you are VT you are claiming VT and not trying to "draw the kill" by claiming mason. If you are a mason you arent trying to be clever by claiming VT. Ive lost enough games by somepony thinking they are smart and lying about their role.

Rule #4

- No lynching a mason without a counter. Obvious but needs to be said.

Rule #5

- Masons should counter a fakeclaim. It should be countered by the mason who is in the worst position gamewise, meaning the one who is most likely to be lynched if the fakeclaimant is viewed as town. From the counter we have

Rule #6

- Town WITHOUT VOTING decides who is scum, and EVERYPONY must vote in this (masons vote so your partner is town). At that point, they must have a partner claim with them or be lynched. If they have a partner claim with them, the other must have a partner meaning two scum would need to be caught.

So thats how we play this strategy wise.

@Slandaar - Would you consider Kadassin a below or above average strength player?

unvote
Vote Pizza

Agree with this rules

[Slandaar]

Elmo, why do you think rainbow is town? mechanics = town to you?

Anyways I am going to vote someone else...

Ya I got reasons and no its not really for above post (although that was a nice useless post)
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kass

Kass have you played with Rainbow before?