Open 379: JK9++ (Game Over)

[Phillammon]

In reaction to Maru, 50/50 is a bit harsh, but I agree mostly. Also, interesting take on Kondi's play. I feel, according to what I know of WIFOM, that you are pulling it really quite hard in your last paragraph. As such, I'm going to basically ignore it. Sorry.

In reaction to his pushing scum, and my reads yesterday, I realize that what you are saying does make sense. I'll admit I was slightly biased in both of these due to the massive push at me being made by the people who I ended up identifying as scummy, so I'll reset my reads for now. I'm going to reread the kondi almost-lynch, to get a good look at the reasons from a fresh perspective, and at the Fennin lynch concerning your pushing too. While you claim it would be stupid to überpush a town lynch as scum... he was doing it too.

[Lowell]

417 might be the worst post I've ever read. To review:

1. Skel wouldn't be opposed to lynching Lowell (note: I wouldn't be opposed to skel having a real opinion).
2. Skel thinks Lowell is scum.
3. Skel doesn't think lynching scum is all that useful.

[Phillammon]

And for reference, skel,

I

Initiated the vig vote to prove my killing-ness.

[The Mini-Librarian]

Phil is confirmed killing PR TML.
Do not mix the two up. He could just as well be a SK, so until we have an SK flip/Vig flip we have to assume that Phil has a 50/50 chance of being EITHER.

Until someone can give me a good reason why any vig worth their salt would shoot Iceguy or CCV and not shoot Phil (hint, there is none), I am going to assume Phil is town.

[Phillammon]

Well, maybe one of those was a vengeful kill or me getting bus swapped with someone?

Although I'm not helping my own case by saying this, I acknowledge these are possibilities, hence disputing 50-50. I'm not all the way confirmed, but I'm about as close as I could be to it. Also, if there were 2 vigs + me being an sk, which I am not (I keep saying this because of the "slip" I made earlier, just to say), then I might be NK immune, which might also explain it.

[Maruchan]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, given my last post, but still, good to know. That also means I'm pretty much a confirmed fatality for tomorrow, but oh well.

Confirmed fatality not quite. SK won't target you, and if you express interest in towns being scummy, scum won't target you, IF you're the vig.

You'll only die if you express interest in scum.

[Silverlands]

*glasses* As I said. Fatality. *unglasses*

In all seriousness, though, we can now do some more setup speculation. 3 kills means a minimum of 3 killing roles. One V puts me on the map, a second would be a vengeful, and then a third would be needed for another vigilante. Alternatively, there may be an odd number of Ts, which would give a serial killer. In addition to this, we have at least one I, given a full time tracker flipped. So so far we have:

V
I
((VV)or(TxOdd))

This doesn't help much, but it means we have ruled out the possibility of any 5xAnything that isn't V I or T, When searching out fakeclaims.

[Phillammon]

Damnit. Again?

Mod, delete above post and this line, please.

*glasses* As I said. Fatality. *unglasses*

In all seriousness, though, we can now do some more setup speculation. 3 kills means a minimum of 3 killing roles. One V puts me on the map, a second would be a vengeful, and then a third would be needed for another vigilante. Alternatively, there may be an odd number of Ts, which would give a serial killer. In addition to this, we have at least one I, given a full time tracker flipped. So so far we have:

V
I
((VV)or(TxOdd))

This doesn't help much, but it means we have ruled out the possibility of any 5xAnything that isn't V I or T, When searching out fakeclaims.

[kondi2424]

Hey Maru you're stretching it. I wanted Fennin lynched ASAP because 1. He was fucking scummy, 2. He was useless, and 3. Getting a wagon on you would just mean another claim, and we don't really WANT scum to know everyone's roles.

VOTE: Maruchan

By the way, Phil is most definitely a legit Vig.

[Phillammon]

Right. Maru and Kondi. I sincerely hope that this is not infighting in the townies, as a result of my proposed solution to the impasse here. If one of you two gets lynched, the other gets vigged.

Almost

regardless of flips. Right now, this applies to you two only. Any thoughts?

[Chevre]

Vote Count 2-1

(2) Maruchan (Phillammon, kondi2424)
(1) Lowell (The Mini-Librarian)

(8) Not Voting (Chimera, Kurtis, Lord Mhork, Lowell, Maruchan, Skeletor)

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

votes to lynch.
The deadline for Day 2 is

13 April 2012 @ 11:10pm U.S. Central Standard Time

.

Lord Mhork is V/LA until Thursday.
Phillammon is Silverlands. I don't want to delete any posts made though.

[Chimera]

What? Why, Phil? You say you hope it's not fighting between townies...and then say you're willing to vig the non-lynched "almost" regardless of flips. Doesn't make sense. And we're not even 24 hours into the day and barely half of the players have said anything. You seem awfully eager to discuss who your next vig shot is...

[Phillammon]

Apologies. THis was more a continuation of yesterday's arguing between the two. For now, you're right, I need more info. I retract that statement, but my vote stays where it is for now.

[Maruchan]

3. Getting a wagon on you would just mean another claim, and we don't really WANT scum to know everyone's roles.

Scumslip.

If I claimed, scum wouldn't know any townie's roles by your hypothesizing.

VOTE: kondi

[Maruchan]

(in case i was to vague for you guys:

HE JUST SAID SCUM WOULD LEARN MY ROLE BUT HE ALSO SAYS I AM SCUM

A AND B DO NOT ADD UP)

[Phillammon]

...wow. Now that is a good point. Kondi, defend yourself. I'm probably gonna follow Maru if there's no defence there.

[kondi2424]

I don't know you're scum. If you're town, scum would learn your role.

[Maruchan]

worse

rebuttal

evurrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[kondi2424]

Good reasoning!

[Maruchan]

Yeah, thats what I was implying your rebuttal was. "good" reasoning.

[The Mini-Librarian]

@Kondi: How confident are you that Maru is scum?

[Maruchan]

@Kondi: How confident are you that Maru is scum?

I don't know you're scum. If you're town, scum would learn your role.

obv not very confident if he is town (which i don't think he is. unless he is derpTown -.-)

[kondi2424]

About 80%.

[The Mini-Librarian]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kondi

What Maru says is the truth. That statement makes no sense coming from a townie. Especially when they are are supposedly 80% sure.

[Phillammon]

And the balances turn once more. I now agree, this is to many pseudoslips to be co-incidental now. VOTE: Kondi2424