Open 382: Friends and Enemies in MSPaint! (Game Over)

[Kamikrazy]

What is the point of making 14 different posts in the span of 30 minutes?

2) I have claimed townie. Deal with my claim now, or give me extra credit in LYLOn the span of 30 minutes?

Why in the world are you even saying things like this when no one is even pressuring you? You don't have a single vote on you and you seem overly concerned about making sure that everyone knows that you are town...

[Rainbowdash]

Yay one of biggest site VIs is voting me for... apparently no reason?

Seriously we can policy lynch Furcolow if you ponies want to.

[Kamikrazy]

I'm comfortable with a Furcolow wagon after his last series of posts.

Vote: Furcolow

[Alicewondering]

So vote.

No.

Your case on Alice is bad to put it bluntly.

ok now they've mutually chainsawed
this is interesting
im all for either of these wagons

Do you know what chainsawing is? It's voting for the person who votes your scumbuddy. Making reasoned arguments is not chainsawing. And if you really wanted to see what I would do, maybe you shouldn't have posted it so blatantly.

Voting Kondi would be silly to say the least. Let the guy speak first at least.

You claiming townie has nothing to do with your actual alignment. -facepalm-

I don't think you should unvote rainbow. Do what you want with your vote, but I'm certainly not going to sheep you on a poorly made case.

How does an RVS vote get a towntell? Your reasoning makes no sense. And can you also condense your posts into a single post?

[Alicewondering]

I'm comfortable with a Furcolow wagon after his last series of posts.

Vote: Furcolow

I'd rather not. But he is really derpy, but he's likely to be town from his posting.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Im just going to say this. This last page was nothing more then a derpfest in my eyes

[Slandaar]

Furcolow trolling

Alice is still scum

Kass is scum

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kass

for obv reasons

[Haze]

2) I have claimed townie. Deal with my claim now, or give me extra credit in LYLO

lol why do you know you'll make it to Lylo? Slip much?
And if you do, doesn't that really just derail the credibility of your claim rather than give you extra credit?

Furcolow trolling

Alice is still scum

Kass is scum

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kass

for obv reasons

Sorry but since your first vote against alice I actually see no reasons at all.

[Slandaar]

Slandaar, u say everyones scum. even in our last game we played. u said i was scum but wat did it turn out? i wasnt scum troll

Scum posting

His rvs vote was also horrible/scum

+other minor things including not answering questions/not reading thread

hes scum.

[Hoopla]

Six

days until deadline.

Day 1, Vote Count #6

With thirteen alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch. Deadline is schedueled for 10:00 GMT, April 4th <Countdown>.

Rainbowdash -

3

(Kassadin, TraceyLyn11, Furcolow)

Alicewondering -

2

(Pizzadudes7, Elmo TeH AzN)

Pizzadudes7 -

2

(Rainbowdash, Rhinox)

Elmo TeH AzN -

1

(Alicewondering)

kondi2424 -

1

(kondi2424)

Kamikrazy -

1

(Blueberry)

Furcolow -

1

(Kamikrazy)

Kassadin -

1

(Slandaar)

Not voting -

1

(Haze)

[Kamikrazy]

I'm comfortable with a Furcolow wagon after his last series of posts.

Vote: Furcolow

I'd rather not. But he is really derpy, but he's likely to be town from his posting.

I'm not sure if a Furcolow lynch is the way to go right now, but seeing how eager he is to make himself see townie before anyone has pressured him I think we could get some decent information when we see how he reacts when he's actually under pressure.

However, saying all of that out loud kind of defeats the purpose now so I guess we won't be going that route then.

[Slandaar]

lol

[Rhinox]

Oh I should let you guys know - I'm on v/la starting tonight until monday morning. I let Hoopla know when I replaced in. I might be able to phone post tm, and I might be able to get on a laptop on saturday evening, but sunday is pretty much shot.

Regarding Rainbowdash rules:
Specifically 5 and 6 - I thought of a better idea. If there is a mason claim at L-1, the player who is forced to claim has to name one of their mason partners. If the claimed partner confirms, then its still 2 masons outed like the current rule 6 and no masons are outed. If the claimed partner does not confirm they are partners, then the player claiming is proven scum and it does not out a single mason in the process (since the claimed partner only has to confirm that they are not partners with the fake-claiming scum). Much better than the current rule 5.

I dont want a mason to claim with a partner because rues 5/6 only are going to come into effect if scum counters a real mason, or scum fakeclaims mason, which there is no guarantee that they will. If the do counter then we can start having partners back up claims, untill then there is no point to give scum names of two masons without a for sure scum lynch.

Oh maybe I'm confused yet, because I read rules 5 and 6 as basically meaning if there is ever a mason claim, a real mason should counter claim a fake claim (rule 5), or confirm a real claim (rule 6). I was thinking that if a real mason had to claim in either case, it would be better for the player claiming to name a partner since that means in the case of rule 5 (scum fake claiming), no real mason would be outed.

I don't agree with Slandaar's scum read on alice. I read Alice's posts as leaning town. However I think he's on the right track with Kass. Kass's iso is horrible.

Furcow raped page 6 gawd. Most of which looks like nonsense. People are calling furcow a VI - I have no meta of him, so if I'm not supposed to take him seriously, let me know. I will say that I disagree with his Rainbow scum read. For anyone not paying attention, Rainbow became prob-town for pointing out Tracy is almost certainly town in this post - it was a very good catch, could have been very easily missed. I think scum-rainbow doesn't dig that deep to draw attention to that. Sure, there's always the possibility of doing it for town-cred, but up until then Tracy was pretty juicy lynchbait, and taking her lynch off the table like that hurts scum more than getting rainbow town cred helps. Scum only point out things like that that are already obvious for towncred, not things that make winning for them harder.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

VOTE: Kass Bad iso is bad theres nothing there.


Rhinox - Thats how I viewed it and why I said the last page was full of derp. And about the post from Tracey you get townish vibes but I would ask you the question whats more dangerous to scum though? Conftown or Active players. And I really didn't see Tracey as juicy lynchbait either. But maybe Im just misreading a lot of things as I have been as of late.

[Rainbowdash]

@Rhinox - Rules 5/6 are essentially how to deal with a counterclaim/fakeclaim to prevent basing reads on somepony who is scum being read as confirmed town. If scum fakes mason we need one, but if we run up a mason and scum doesnt want to risk going 1v1 (or more) then we just let it go. No need to back up a real claim is needed unless scum attempts to counter a real one.

Kass wagon is decent, Pizza one is better.

[Rhinox]

And about the post from Tracey you get townish vibes but I would ask you the question whats more dangerous to scum though? Conftown or Active players. And I really didn't see Tracey as juicy lynchbait either. But maybe Im just misreading a lot of things as I have been as of late.

I don't thing those are mutually exclusive options in this case. Tracey was scum the first draw, so she must be town now if she does not know the role were re-randomized. I think you're incinuating that rainbow pointing that out doesn't hurt scum because Tracy is less active and useless to town anyways and now a more active town player could maybe get mislynched (from some hyposcum Rainbow POV), but there's no reason scumRainbow couldn't have tried to get moreactivetownie mslynched anyways and left Tracy alone without pointing out her prob-townie-ness.

As for Tracy being lynchbait, meh when I first read the thread I saw she got a lot of suspicion and didn't seem to handle it that well so she kinda came across as an easy lynch regardless of alignment. I could see scum viewing her as a possible mislynch at some point in the game, which is no longer possible due to rainbow.

To directly answer your conftown vs active players question, active players aren't dangerous to scum if they're wrong, and sometimes active town lead the town to their demise. a group of conf-town is dangerous to scum regarless of how active they are. Eventually POE finds the scum.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

That's what I thought as well and everyone was telling me poe doesn't work. :/
And even then wasn't Tracey part of a hydra before though?

Either way our vote count is a mess. More people need opinions and remember we have the awesome Hoopla as our mod with bankable deadlines.

[TraceyLyn11]

-Prod dodge-

I apologize. I'm keeping up reading-wise, but I've been having trouble finding a good amount of time to apply to writing posts. Tomorrow I am having a birthday party, but before it starts, I should have plenty of time.

Also, just to clarify, my name is spelled T-r-a-c-*E*-y.

IMPORTANT

Also, I thought I already posted this, but maybe I'm wrong and it's in my saved draft. In the original game, I was a hydra. I was scum. Then everything crashed. I checked up on this game and discovered I was no longer on the playerlist. I shot Hoopla a PM. I asked her why I wasn't on the playerlist and if I could be added. She said that half the playerlist was lost in the crash. I could join the game as a replacement if someone flaked. Soon after I got a PM saying I could replace. I asked to replace as my actual account. But, I no longer have Hylian's (my hydra account) original slot in this game. Someone else who was not an original player got it. I got ManiacalLemon's spot when they asked to replace. So even if roles were left unchanged, I had no way of knowing. Okay? A lot of people seem to be saying I'm definitely town since I would know from my original playing in the game whether roles were randomized. Though I am town, this is not a reason I should be seen as town.

[Alicewondering]

Lol, Tracey.

I read Kass's ISO, and it actually doesn't strike me as so much scummy as derpy. Has anyone played with Kass before? (Slan, did he post like this in his previous game too?)

Elmo, I see that you have sheeped Slan yet again. I believe you still haven't answered my question about why you originally voted me? Are you planning to answer it? Are you paying attention?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Yeah I'll answer it. I wouldnt really call it sheeping but glad that's all you see me as.
I forget things sometimes mind you. My fault

[Rainbowdash]

Wow Tracey is painfully obvious town here.

@Tracey - Why are you voting me? Also read on Furc?
@Kami - Can you actually explain your read on Furc?
@Rhinox - Furcolow is a VI by most definitons of the term, last time I saw him play a somewhat decent game was

WAY

the buck back in American Gods (late 2010?) and it was him in a hydra with somepony (Vi?). Think I have seen him get policy lynched once or twice even.
@Haze - Who is scum?

Im actually sitting here wondering if Furc is town almost at this point. I think he is a complete derp either way and really am not happy with him doing anything but sheeping somepony I trust or myself, but I have to weigh it against odds of him being town and whatnot.

Keep tuned for an EoH power move coming up here. This is just about the perfect game to unleash one.

[Slandaar]

I read Kass's ISO, and it actually doesn't strike me as so much scummy as derpy. Has anyone played with Kass before? (Slan, did he post like this in his previous game too?)

Elmo, I see that you have sheeped Slan yet again. I believe you still haven't answered my question about why you originally voted me? Are you planning to answer it? Are you paying attention?

[Blueberry]

Hello to everyone, I'm back from the V/LA (a little bit earlier)! I don't have a LOT of free time, though, so excuse me. I have read through the thread (not SUPAH cautiously or anything though) and this sums it up for me --

Rainbow

is the supporter and the starter of the Pizza wagon, while claiming to be „obviously“ town due to posting the rules; protects Alice from Slandaar with good points. Leaning town.

Slandaar

is mindlessly attacking Alice and Kass and tries to make others vote them too. In #124, he basically says that he will only post to join a wagon (or try to make the wagoners change their vote to Alice or something, not sure what he means) or protect himself from the and argue with the "false" statements of him being scum and not do more scumhunting. It's like his mind is made up to lynch either Alice or Kass. My gut says scum, but I'm not sure.

Alice

has more than once posted conflicted statements, but has also made good points; voting Elmo for sheeping Slandaar.

Kass

is a VI, but not necessarily scum; hasn't changed the RVS Rainbow vote since putting it in his first post.

Furcolow

excessively tries to make sure that everyone knows that he's townie (even "claims") and then votes Rainbow for no real reason, while telling that he's ready switch his vote to other top wagons. Leaning scum.

Elmo

seems to be a little bit dizzy in the head, forgetting who he voted and what has been asked from him; sheeping Slandaar.

Tracey

is most likely town; voting Rainbow.

Rhinox

has made informative text walls; voting Pizza.

Kamikrazy

is policy voting Furcolow.

Kondi

is "practicing suicide" as I would say. Gone since promising to make an interesting post. Extremely unactive.

Haze

has made a few good points. The only one not voting anyone. Also, @ #51: Lol, you haven't voted anyone yet.

Pizza

is keeping his RVS vote on Alice. Due to points in #111 and #118 probably scum. My vote.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pizza

[Slandaar]

Scum #1

Note the sheer number of posts in multiple games while none here...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kondi

[kondi2424]

Hey Slaandar, how exactly is that scummy at all, much less making me the #1 pick for scum? I post in my free time, and out of the, I don't know, maybe thirteen games I'm participating in right now, I'm more likely to add to discussion that I'm already in than start new discussion.

Too bad that post makes you town. Rereading now.