Mini 1313: Blood Bowl Mafia (Game over)

[inte]

he just . . . let himself die without doing much
it just feels too easy . . .

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch)

(6) Slandaar – pizzadudes7, Glork, GreyICE, Tierce, BBmolla, inte

(1) GreyICE – Slandaar
(1) PeregrineV – Ghostlin
(1) Glork – PeregrineV

Not voting

: Dazzy

Deadline

: Saturday 7 April 20:00 CET

[Glork]

Bleh, I actually was not hoping for a hammer in the time between when I posted from phone and when I drove home.


On the drive home, it did occur to me that there is a VERY SLIM possibility that one of the "voting bloc" is the SK (if we assume that pappums' death was due to an SK). I could even see a "Disgruntled/Benched Gobbo's Gangsta" being techincally on the team and allowed to nominate, while secretly trying to kill everyone off.
However, I think that's rather unlikely.


Also, a brief history of my thoughts on Tierce throughout the game:
During D1, I actually suspected her slightly. I forget for what exactly, but there was a "nagging feeling." It might've nothing more than bad memories from MLP. I honestly don't know. I do know there was one line she said about "if I get killed" which I had recalled seeing in MLP that triggered a reaction in me.
After the fake vengekill, I felt a lot better about her.
After the double-death, I had to deal with the possibility of her being an SK, although I felt that Ghostlin was more likely to be an SK at the time. I was also disgruntled with Tierce's unnatural flip-flop on Ghostlin, and the paranoid part of me wanted to say "scum gambit."


Ultimately, though, like I said... her manner of play is very consistent with the one game I played where she was town, and very different from the one game I played where she was scum.

Unless she's giving herself FAR less credit than she deserves, I think that meta's enough to clear Tierce at this point.




I'm going to go through with my dice roll plan. 1-8, I protect myself. 9, I vig elsewhere. 10, I save my SPP.

[Tierce]

._. Seriously this is the second game in a row where people posit me as an SK.

Whyyy.

How/why on earth

would I attempt to play as SK as I play town, considering how often my meta gets me nightkilled before D3? You're giving me far, far too much credit, Glork. I may not act much like a newbie, but my first game was the same as inte's, last November, and I have no idea how I would

even

play SK. O_o An obvtown SK eventually gets NK'd, no matter how X-shot BP he is.

(As a note, the "If I get (night) killed" line is originally from my town meta and I stole it for MLP, so you have your twinge in reverse. )

Anyway--is there something to be weighed on before night? I might have missed something in rushed catch up.

[Glork]

I said I dismissed it since then. -.-


But Dazzy had asked about my feelings towards you, and well....

[GreyICE]

There's two scum kills and neither of them shoot Glork?

My head, it asploded.

[Glork]

There's two scum kills and neither of them shoot Glork?

My head, it asploded.

That happened for two nights in MLP Mafia, too.

Kill Glork N1 hasn't been site meta for ages now. Get with the times!

[GreyICE]

I'm sorry, I must be the world's most conservative scum player. I kill the really townie people, the really dangerous and the people who suspect me

I don't shoot random derp bystanders for derp value

[Tierce]

There's two scum kills and neither of them shoot Glork?

My head, it asploded.

Glork is town, etc.

This playerlist doesn't know Glork too well and he wasn't paraded as the Paragon in the game other than through his Scummy banner. I was obvtowning it up in D1 and didn't get shot at either. Scum probably went for the 1-shot vig, which as Glork said before, likely tells quite a bit of how the scumteam feels about their odds of survival and their knowledge of the players in the game.

...in fact, if Ghostlin was mafia, I would expect either Glork or I to be dead by now. Ghostlin knows Glork, and he has seen me both from a mod and a player perspective, so I really doubt he'd allow his hypoteam to go for a vig instead of playing the odds of a doc being on me/Glork.


We don't know that it's a second scum kill, though it does seem likely (SK, not second mafia team).

[Tierce]

There's two scum kills and neither of them shoot Glork?

My head, it asploded.

That happened for two nights in MLP Mafia, too.

Kill Glork N1 hasn't been site meta for ages now. Get with the times!

We liked you! Applecave was nice and cozy and the Apples look out for each other! Then that nasty Trixie came into town and zapped you. D: Of course we had to launch a revenge against her!

[Glork]

Meh.


I'm anxious to see this flip. I mean, it's excdedingly likely that Slanddar (who never DID tell us his ROLE NAME) is scum, but it doesn't stop the second-guessing and "what-if" scenarios ricocheting around my head.

[Tierce]

Well im a VT lineman

Just hammer and be done

Get Grey tomorrow he literally has to be scum.

im just a gobbo, vt...rookie

I dont see what the point is in claiming that though not goign to do anything my flip will hopefully enlighten town

Scumbag didn't even bother giving us his rolename when the character name is perfectly clear on the town PMs. Yep, he will flip scum.


BB, reads, etc. INPUT, dammit.


PEdit: Heh. Thinking in tandem.

[BBmolla]

Well im a VT lineman

Just hammer and be done

Get Grey tomorrow he literally has to be scum.

im just a gobbo, vt...rookie

I dont see what the point is in claiming that though not goign to do anything my flip will hopefully enlighten town

Scumbag didn't even bother giving us his rolename when the character name is perfectly clear on the town PMs. Yep, he will flip scum.


BB, reads, etc. INPUT, dammit.


PEdit: Heh. Thinking in tandem.

Yup on it.

[BBmolla]

PV tunnels Ghostlin all early day today, then suddenly votes Slandaar out of nowhere.

I'm voting you because I suspect you are scum with inte and Ghostlin.

Oh rly, is that the only reason? Why did you vote him over the other two?

Then he does nothing.

Oh apparently Glork noticed he has zero reasoning too.

OH LOL HE OMGUSES GLORK

That's god damned hilarious.

And then he isn't here for the Slan wagon.

And then he was pretty much inactive all d1.



PV is probably scum.

[Tierce]

@BBmolla, Glork

- How do you reconcile the PV scumread with the fact that he flipped town in our finished game?

[BBmolla]

Tierce's little "vengekill" frenzy is something I haven't decided on the legitimacy of. Could be real, and that's where I'm leaning now.

In a way I'm sad malee is gone, I think she would have been much easier to read than GreyIce has she posted more

^These two quotes by Dazzy are a bit unnerving just because the first one seems like something I'd say as scum, and the second one is just wierd.

Overall Dazzy looks better than PV at the moment. I don't like how he suddenly hopped on the "oh yeah slan is scummy" wagon.

Also he seems to be subtley attempting to discredit the obvious towns.

Also wtf is with his Inte vote.

[Glork]

Donno. Really didn't pay attention to MwtK after I died N1.

[BBmolla]

@BBmolla, Glork

- How do you reconcile the PV scumread with the fact that he flipped town in our finished game?

Going back to look one sec.

[BBmolla]

Okay yeah, this ISO looks completely different than the PV we have in this game. It's possible it's because it was the only game being played at that time. *shrug* Mainly it looks far more in depth, the one here looks lackluster in explanations.

[Tierce]

While I liked #594 in general, there was something that came out in particular. I don't know if it's just Dazzy's general playstyle, but it does give off a weird scummy vibe:

Is it really impossible for

[Tierce]

to be scum, despite her apparently pro-town appearance? What are your thoughts on this town bloc that you are suddenly a part of?

This is layering soft suspicion on me, a player she has been calling town; and why is she asking Glork's opinion on the town bloc since he has already expressed it a few times, with or without reasoning?

She is not sure how she feels about the town bloc, but... what exactly is her problem with the town bloc, again?

[BBmolla]

Also he seems to be subtley attempting to discredit the obvious towns.

^That's what I was referring to.

It's kind of like the whole "They're probably town... BUT COULD BE SCUM!" sort of thing.

[GreyICE]

While I liked #594 in general, there was something that came out in particular. I don't know if it's just Dazzy's general playstyle, but it does give off a weird scummy vibe:

Is it really impossible for

[Tierce]

to be scum, despite her apparently pro-town appearance? What are your thoughts on this town bloc that you are suddenly a part of?

This is layering soft suspicion on me, a player she has been calling town; and why is she asking Glork's opinion on the town bloc since he has already expressed it a few times, with or without reasoning?

She is not sure how she feels about the town bloc, but... what exactly is her problem with the town bloc, again?

Paranoia is typically a town tell

[Tierce]

Ew, scratch that, further look makes me hate this post.

Last night I nominated Tierce because I did see her as most pro-town. Use that how you will.

He (sorry, got your gender wrong earlier) thought I was town N1. Apparent conclusion that I'm town for my reaction to the fake vengekill.

Tierce, there are better targets than me and I think you know that.

Addressing me as if I am town. This post shows belief/knowledge I am town.

Feel free to ask me questions because it's much easier for me to solidify my thoughts if you do, but don't make my lynch a foregone conclusion just because I flaked for a bit (namely since I'm not the only one).

"Don't look at me! Look at the other flakers/lurkers!"

What makes me hesitate is this "town bloc".

Never expresses why.

As unlikely as inte's proposition is, something similar to it is still possible, and I'm hesitant to vote with such a group even though it mostly lines up with my own reads, as I don't trust some of the members.

Never expresses why. He has mostly townreads on the town bloc, but... who doesn't he have a townread on?

@Glork, Please expand on your claim that Tierce is guaranteed not scum. I haven't really seen you come out and say so to that degree before your post 569. Is it really impossible for her to be scum, despite her apparently pro-town appearance? What are your thoughts on this town bloc that you are suddenly a part of?

Now... I am suddenly possible not-town? The way this is being put doesn't look like it's a question for Glork's opinion on me, because he has already said what his opinion is on the whole bloc with me included. It's soft suspicion, trying to break townreads.

@Tierce: Assume for one second that you hadn't seen the timestamps on Grey's post/Mod's login. Is Grey still town?

Soft suspicion on Grey, trying to break townreads.

My gut was yelling at me though, and who knows what will happen tonight?.

WOOOO NIGHT WIFOM!


Heads. will. roll.


PEdit: This doesn't sound like paranoia, though, Grey. It's more like "oh, don't

you

think X could be scum? It's not that Dazzy thinks that any of the bloc players are scum, it's that he is trying to break townreads by layering soft suspicion on players that are ridiculously protown.

[Tierce]

Today:

Last night I nominated Tierce because I did see her as most pro-town. Use that how you will.

Earlier today:

Tierce's little "vengekill" frenzy is something I haven't decided on the legitimacy of.

Could be real, and that's where I'm leaning now.

Glork is an early town read.

As of end of D1, I was reading inte and

[Tierce]

as weakTown

and majiffy as weakScum.

Yeah calling bullshit on that MVP vote for me.

[GreyICE]

Hmmm

A problem for tomorrow. Slandaar needs death, and Inte is upgrading himself rapidly.

[Glork]

Good catch, Tierce.

Awaiting Dazzy's explanation.