Open 386 - Lovers Mafia - Game Over

[Kassadin]

Saul himself couldve just hammered himself but he was so cautious he didnt do so.
Now he's trying to give himself town credit

[kondi2424]

Kassadin, unvote.

[saulres]

Vote: Kondi

Haven't finished reading -- fucking unvote! We're in LyLo!

[drmyshotgun]

Finish reading man. I unvoted long time.

[drmyshotgun]

kami. you are here but you are not HERE. say something?

[drmyshotgun]

But I must say, by being silent, Kami is being the most Town to me. Kass's latest series is putting me into doubt.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 2.1

AKA The "Replacement Stirs Activity" Votecount

saulres (1) - Kassadin
Kassadin (0) -
Kamikrazy (0) -
drmyshotgun (0) -
kondi2424 (0) -

Not Voting: saulres, Kamikrazy, kondi2424, drmyshotgun

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is Thursday, April 19, 2012 at 07:45pm PDT or in (expired on 2012-04-19 19:45:00)

[saulres]

Man you nearly gave me a heart attack.

Anyone else read where I said I could only come on for quick votes? And after this I'm going to be offline until tomorrow.

Let me clear some things up.

1) I said I

suspect

a shotgun - Kondi scumteam, not that I'm convinced.
2) I said I need to reread the thread looking for possible connections before I even consider laying down a vote.
3) I said I'd make a case sometime over the weekend or on Monday.

Saul himself couldve just hammered himself

WTF? I'm not a double-voter, I couldn't hammer anyone by myself when there was only 1 vote on 1 person and 1 vote on another.

pedit: Yeah, I saw, I just freaked out when I saw that and used Quick Reply to tell you to undo it.

And oh fuck Kassadin unvote!

[saulres]

Oh look both Kondi and shotgun posted when there's a vote on me. That ends the "kondi-shotgun" team theory right there.

Doesn't mean neither of them is scum. Just means they aren't scum together.

[Kamikrazy]

Okay, so Vincent has been replaced. The new guy looks definite scum. Kass, I know you are on Town side.
Kondi, I believe you are on our side too.
We should have gone with Kami lynch. Fuck.

What about Saulres makes him definite scum? If he's definite scum, why not put a vote on him and why did you drop this case so quickly?

Apologies Helio, but We will win this game. The Town WILL prevail.

This post is really scummy to me. There is no reason to ever say anything like this unless you're trying to buy town cred.

No this DOES NOT clear you guys. Why would you want to hammer an innocent Townie and then get questioned and attention to yourself on Day 2??

Kondi hammered Helio, an innocent Townie, and no one is questioning his decision there. I don't see your point here.

And yes i totally agree with this post.. Seems like Sauleris wanted to lynch someone ASAP

Sauleris specifically said that he didn't want to lynch anyone quickly and he's holding off his vote now. How in the world could you interpret him as wanting to push a quick lynch? Alternatively, if you're looking at someone for pushing a quick lynch as being scummy there are plenty of other fish out there to fry for that reason.

@Saulres: If you think I'm scum team with Kondi, vote Kondi instead. What's the difference?

Seriously? This post was just so...dumb...I can't understand it unless its you flailing. There's a MASSIVE difference and i'm amazed that you can't see the difference. Just because you're a potential scum pair doesn't mean that one player is leaning to be scummier than another. Why would you not place your vote on the scummier of the two players on the off chance that you actually got them paired wrong?

You said I'm the most Town among the players left. Why go for another person? Shouldn't Town unite?

...Just because a player seems like he's town doesn't mean that he has the best course of action.

[Kamikrazy]

The only viable scum team I can find right now is a Kass/Saul...I'll try to break down the game and see if I can actually find something scummy between the two other than PoE.

[drmyshotgun]

If I'm scum Kami, who's my pair?

[drmyshotgun]

i voted on Kondi. Everybody was online.
Kass goes off to someone else.
Kondi cannot be pair with Kass.

[drmyshotgun]

Another experiment

Vote: Drmyshotgun

[drmyshotgun]

Let's see who takes the bait.

[drmyshotgun]

Unvote

Too risky.

[Kamikrazy]

If I'm scum Kami, who's my pair?

Read the end of my post. I honestly can't find a partner which is why i'm not voting you. The only person I could conceivably see would be Saulres, but I don't think he would open the day off being so aggressive if he was your partner. That just wouldn't make sense coming from a player who is offering a fresh perspective into the game.

Potential Vincent/Kassadin:

Vincent is extremely passive D1. In fact, he almost ignores Kassadin entirely and the wagon on Kassadin. He questions him once and outside of that completely ignores him. It seems to me like he was just letting me defend his buddy because he gained nothing from trying to defend him as well.

There doesn't seem to be anything substantial between Kassadin and Saulren though. The only thing worth mentioning is Kassadin voting Saulren, which honestly given Kassadin's play could just be an extremely poor attempt at busing.

[Kamikrazy]

Another experiment

Vote: Drmyshotgun

Who was online when you did this?

[Kassadin]

If u say Kondis hammer was a town move. Y did u hammer Helio yourself then? hmmm?

[Kassadin]

wait actually. Nvm. read it wrong

[Kassadin]

i can only see scum out of Kondi/Kami/Saul at the moment

[drmyshotgun]

Kassadin and Kami was online.

[drmyshotgun]

Kassadin is voting for Saulres (Vincent) at the moment, Kami. Do you still think they can be a pair?

[kondi2424]

All right, lets see what we've got here.

If both Kassadin and saulres are town, then the scumteam would have to be me/Kami, the only two not to be online at the same time. So, unless either of them believes Kami and I are a team, they are confirmed scum to each other.

So lets go through all possible teams.

drmyshotgun-kondi2424
drmyshotgun-saulres
drmyshotgun-Kassadin
drmyshotgun-Kamikrazy

kondi2424-saulres
kondi2424-Kassadin
kondi2424-Kamikrazy

saulres-Kassadin
saulres-Kamikrazy

Kassadin-Kamikrazy


Now, when we take out all impossible teams:

drmyshotgun-saulres
drmyshotgun-Kassadin
kondi2424-saulres
kondi2424-Kassadin
kondi2424-Kamikrazy
saulres-Kamikrazy
Kassadin-Kamikrazy

These are the only seven teams that are possible at this point. (I took out saulres-Kassadin because we already won if that's the case.)

Now I'm going to go through and see which of these are unlikely, from my POV.

[Kamikrazy]

Kassadin is voting for Saulres (Vincent) at the moment, Kami. Do you still think they can be a pair?

Yes, I do and here's why. Here are the list of players that have been on at the same time since Kassadin has put in that vote:

Me/You
Kondi/You
Me/Kass
Me/Kondi

All of us have been on simultaneously to quick hammer that and no one ever capitalized on it which means one thing: I think Kass is almost definite scum.

There are therefore only two possibilities:

1) Kass/Saul is scum team, which is why there hasn't been a hammer
2) Saul is town, Kass is scum. Scum buddy #2 obviously can't quick hammer.