Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia (Game Over!)

[Rainbowdash]

I would prefer not to link the game because its on a differet account and really (three years maybe?) old either way. Basically scum had a slightly modified win condition where they needed X ammount of each color which each townie held a few, my role had no colors and through PM wording I figured out that ment miller as there was a role that was a color checker and claimed it during twilight.

Here im saying that my role is not "miller" its something else that makes me investigate as "mafia goon". What my role is though explicitly says what my other abilites if any are.

Everypony not on the list im more null on. There are ones I like more or less than others, but more conflicted on the rest.

[iStark]

I would prefer not to link the game because its on a differet account and really (three years maybe?) old either way. Basically scum had a slightly modified win condition where they needed X ammount of each color which each townie held a few, my role had no colors and through PM wording I figured out that ment miller as there was a role that was a color checker and claimed it during twilight.

Here im saying that my role is not "miller" its something else that makes me investigate as "mafia goon". What my role is though explicitly says what my other abilites if any are.

Everypony not on the list im more null on. There are ones I like more or less than others, but more conflicted on the rest.

So, you're basically claiming you might be useful for townies in some ways in nights other then wasting possible investigation on you?

At least that's what I got.

UNVOTE:

[Rainbowdash]

I'm more confident in Lucky scum.

K'
Any idea's on his possible scum buddies?
I can't seem to figure out any tbh.

I am claiming exactly what I said I am claiming. I am not "miller" but investigate as mafia goon to investigative roles, my full role name says what power, if others, I have so im not going to claim it.

[iStark]

k'
Funny but Delta never mentioned it.
But I got your point, it would be pointless to dig around more.

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 2.0:

RainbowDash - IceGuy, Malthusis
Om of the Nom - ActionDan
IceGuy - vijay2vasandani
vijay2vasandani - Korlash, BBmolla
Amrun - Luckyjt
Korlash - Lopsy
Luckyjt - Om of the Nom, CSL, Amrun
CSL - RainbowDash

Not Voting: iStark

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-04-05 15:06:38)

[IceGuy]

inability(not that harsh, but I can't think of any other word)

It's not inability. There can be reasons why you don't want to say everything.

Think he is stupid for claiming miller, but DW is a bit of a derp to start. One of those who is just useful enough to stop everypony from policy lynching him.

No, claiming miller on D1 is actually the optimal strategy.

Please claim your exact role including flavor.

[vijay2vasandani]

Seriously Korlash? come on mate. IceGuy wants to push through with the lynch, and when DW flips town he's gonna go "oh it was a shoddy claim, and millers suck anyway". Also you say that DW isn't scum so shouldn't you be concerned with the fact that one of your townreads is wasting his vote on another one of yours?

Regarding that comment to BB, it's funny because 20 seconds would be a stretch considering.how each of his posts have been so short.

Hi RD. I think I remember playing with you XD you were awesome, but scum XD

[Om of the Nom]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more v2v seems town.

I'm not willing to lynch v2v anymore. Tomorrow I'd be fine with a NiceGuy lynch (Geddit?).

[Korlash]

Seriously Korlash? come on mate. IceGuy wants to push through with the lynch, and when DW flips town he's gonna go "oh it was a shoddy claim, and millers suck anyway". Also you say that DW isn't scum so shouldn't you be concerned with the fact that one of your townreads is wasting his vote on another one of yours?

Regarding that comment to BB, it's funny because 20 seconds would be a stretch considering.how each of his posts have been so short.

How do you know what he is going to do? You want to lynch him based on something that hasn't happened? Such a townie move mate. Can I lynch you for all those mislynches I'm sure you'll push the next couple of days? No? That's seems like an unfair double standard. :'(

And I do hate that Iceguy is voting for Delta, hence why I asked Delta to repeat his claim. I was trying to specifically tailor it so I could talk Iceguy out of his vote, but Delta didn't say what I needed him to say. I tried to do this again with Mal, by continuously asking specifically what part of Delta's claim was 'BS' but he has yet to answer me. So yeah, I've very concerned about the votes on DW but people continuously ignore me or let me down and I'm not about to go around sticking my neck out to outright defend someone who's role PM I don't have, regardless of how much I think they are town.

Now that Color man is here... maybe I can get some real answers.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more v2v seems town.

lolololol... At least try to hide it Mr. Scummy, McJoseph Scum! The "I'm not going to do anything and let the day ride out' post followed by the "I'll just slander both people voting me without basis or reason' post leads you to think he's more town. Ha ha ha... I might not even have to actually post the scum Glass case if you keep this up mate. Don't make it so easy on me, okay?

[Korlash]

*sigh* Looking over Rainbow's claim posts I don't see what I was looking for... Maybe a new tact...

@ Iceguy: What part specifically of Delta's claim is causing you this uproar?

[IceGuy]

I was already suspicious when he first claimed miller, his later claim confirmed my suspicions.

[Luckyjt]

Alright, if you are looking for possible scum buddies of mine you wont find any since I am town. But if we are getting close to lynch day and we have no definite target you guys can lynch me and then you guys will look more into the people I suspected and those who tried start the bandwagon on me.

[Korlash]

I was already suspicious when he first claimed miller, his later claim confirmed my suspicions.

*head in hands* ... Why... what specifically confirmed your suspicions...

[IceGuy]

His exact claim.

[Korlash]

...

There has to be something about his claim that makes you question it... Why are you avoiding telling me what it is?

[IceGuy]

Because you're rolefishing.

[Korlash]

No, and you're an idiot for immediately jumping to that 'defense'...

You've demanded Rainbow post everything about her role so you should at least do me the honors of pointing out which part of Delta's claim you have a problem with so I can argue why you're wrong.

[IceGuy]

Still rolefishing.

[Korlash]

Still inept at playing the game, and now I'm annoyed at you. I'll take a brief moment to remind you that you already admitted to fucking yourself in the old thread, so rolefishing you is a moot point. Once you've shot yourself in the foot you can't hide behind the 'omg, you're rolefishing' excuse without looking dumb.

Ok, since Iceguy lacks the skills to actually play the game I'll take over for him.

"My Korlash, what an excellent question. And might I add you are looking exceedingly handsome today."

Why thank you Iceguy look-alike man, I have been using this great new moisturizer and-

"Seriously, shut up. Your voice is annoying. So my problem is that he says he would come up as "mafia goon" when investigated. Logically speaking, and in no way indicating my own role at all, what type of cop would get a guilty investigation of 'mafia goon'? are you telling me he is only a miller for role cops? What kind of stupid role is that?"

Wow, Iceguy Look-alike man, you are very skillful to answer my question in such a vague and non-implying way. I am impressed at your clearly above Bronze league skills.

>.> (Annoyed face)

Alright, all sarcasm aside, isn't it the "mafia goon" part that is making everyone suspicious? Yes? Yes? I'm hearing a lot of yes's...

Does everyone remember when Delta posted this:

P-Edit: To go one step further, my role PM doesn't just specify that I would turn up guilty to cops. I'll turn up guilty to anyone who can investigate. I don't know if that's a red herring or not.

Everyone knows it was

before

the whole 'mafia goon' part right? And everyone knows that it accounts for the whole 'mafia goon' thing right? And no one is stupid enough to let his own role slip before factoring this into his suspicions right? >.> (annoyed face)

Let's assume player A is a sane cop. He investigates Delta and sees a "mafia goon". Since "mafia goons" would come up as guilty, he probably gets a game vernacular version of 'guilty. bam, covered. BUT BUT BUT, Player B is an assumed role cop... Uh oh mod, role cop investigated Delta... Tsk tsk, didn't account for this possibility did you OH WAIT! He sees a "mafia goon" And gets a game vernacular version of that role! WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!?!?!

A miller role, actually covering all cop version bases? No wai... Can't be done... Of course, this would also imply an insane cop would also net a guilty result since 'all investigation roles would see him as guilty'. I'd be interested to find out if that is the truth or not after the game is over but for now it's simply irrelevant trivia! (play at home people, fun for all ages)

In a cop themed game that 'likely' has multiple variations of the cop role it makes sense that a miller would have to account for all of them. If the 'I come up as Mafia Goon' part is the thing you all have a problem with, I don't think you've actually thought it all out.

[Rainbowdash]

No, claiming miller on D1 is actually the optimal strategy.

Claiming miller is only optimal strategy for weak players who tend to get investigated a lot. In four years I have been investigated... two times I think? No way I would have claimed if DW didnt to start.

Please claim your exact role including flavor.

No. I already said my role name reveals what, if any, other abilites I have. Flavor is weak, but is worded in such a way that makes it likely the "mafia goon" aspect may be important. Im not going to claim for you so stop asking. If anypony is role fishing its you.

[Korlash]

Can you clarify if your role does specify that 'all investigations against you' would turn up guilty? Also, exactly what sort of investigations would that imply?

[Rainbowdash]

Can you clarify if your role does specify that 'all investigations against you' would turn up guilty? Also, exactly what sort of investigations would that imply?

Any investigative roles that target me will receive a result such as if I am a mafia goon. This means to a cop I should turn up mafia, role cop mafia goon, but if there is some reverse role like "are they a mafia PR" I should come up with an innocent result. As im thinking about it im firing off a couple questions to the mod right now.

All of the ways this is worded though make me think that somepony can use this information.

[Rainbowdash]

Ok other stuff... just because I investigate as a goon doesnt mean I picked up any gravedigger abilities, so I would not be auto-tracked/watched to anypony who dies. I also would not kill any hider or any role along those lines that targets me.

[Amrun]

unvote

I can confirm that im a miller varient role. Its not called "miller" though will not say real role because it reveals what if any additional abilities I have, and like DW said it specifically investigates as mafia goon which is probably important. Was an offshoot miller last time and it was based off a specific hidden mechanic. Think he is stupid for claiming miller, but DW is a bit of a derp to start. One of those who is just useful enough to stop everypony from policy lynching him.

Speaking of policy lynches hi kondi and CSL.

Other important points

1) We are not all targeting the same player with our roles. That would be derpy as it allows for maximum scum manipulation
2) Tomorrow you hypo cop and gunsmith.
3) AD is town, and I think Glass is town, vijay just reads town also.
4) CSL and malthus are good scum picks. Ice isnt bad. All the wagons going on suck.

Vote CSL

Explain your hop to DW wagon. Case... tomorrow maybe? Will have to work around a meeting to get something up of substance.

Mostly like your reads, except for the obvious lack of lucky except to say that the ongoing wagons suck. Why does the lucky wagon suck?

(Also, who did csl replace again?)

[Rainbowdash]

Mostly like your reads, except for the obvious lack of lucky except to say that the ongoing wagons suck. Why does the lucky wagon suck?

Im conflicted about lucky. There were a few poasts from him that I liked, and the wagon doesnt instill large amount of confidence due to the members.

(Also, who did csl replace again?)

RC