Newbie 1198: Mafia on Holiday (Game Over)

[ThursdayAngel]

So I'm assuming that this plan of yours necessitates you not telling us any details, and requires a leap of faith towards Voided=town. Correct?

Also, it actually requires a vote on Zen to work, correct?

[Voidedmafia]

I'd love to tell details, but I don't want to give too much away. Some plans sadly must rest on the willing unknowning of the people carrying it out. (though the voidedtown leap is obviously a factor). I will say it's a very strong towntell that I admittedly learned in two of my scumgames (and unknowningly used in one of them), which is about as much of a hint as I'm willing to give.

And yes, it does require a Zen vote from you (or for him to vote you, either way). It could be any other way (Zen and I cross-voting, you and me cross-voting), but I only know what my alignment is, and this will prove it.

[ThursdayAngel]

Hm. This is quite a complicated scenario. I think I will try and trust you. Know that the only reason for this is that Zen-Askesis and Zen-Voided aren't really polarized in my opinion (meaning, one doesn't scream scum while the other screams town.) Maybe it's just me lacking the skill for really good reads, but basically those two pairings are very close on the "scum-o-meter." Also, I do see your point behind Brin simply being intimidated by an overly aggressive player, so I cannot dismiss the possibility of Voidedtown easily. Basically what I'm saying is I don't have an overwhelming amount of evidence to believe in Zentown either.

In this case, I will trust you and VOTE: Zenatsu.

[Voidedmafia]

Thank you.

Now that that's out of the way, now I have to figure out who to vote between the two of you, dammit!

[Voidedmafia]

(PS: You can unvote now)

[ThursdayAngel]

UNVOTE: Zenatsu

Totally confused now.

[Voidedmafia]

Tl;DR I'm conftown now. The drawn-out explanation will come later, don't worry. (though, you can revote Zen if you want since he's now scum by PoE to you)

[Voidedmafia]

Zen better get his ass here and post today, that's for sure.

[Zenatsu]

I don't know what side of the planet you guys are on, but you were posting whilst I was asleep (about 2am till 4am, from first to last post).

Now... On to me laughing my ass off hysterically at how gullible Thursday is:

*Ahem*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
*GASP*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!

HOLY SCUM ON A SHUMSTICK! Voided you have PROVED yourself to be absolute scum!

And here is why:

Voided just pulled a very obvious WIFOM that I've ever fucking seen.

Post 94 - the set-up.

Voided wants you to at the

very least

unvote.
If he gets you to vote me then the 2nd phase starts. Using empty promises and Pre-phased annotations to bolster the belief that voided is using town intentions.

The Following few posts

are added fluff, figuring if he has a chance to further push on to read as town, this is the best chance, and even acknowledges hes about to spam post.

Post 98 is as follows:

I understand your worries of a quickhammer, but I do feel this is largely a win-win for you.

A.) You can ignore my plan, revote me, and let Zen hammer me like I imagine he intends to do, and whichever of you is scum can ride away with the victory

OR

B.) You vote him, wait a day-ish (or at least until you know I'm here and I've looked at the thread), and then revote me after that. Again, Zen's still probably gonna vote me when he gets up anyways, and if you're scum you can then just quickhammer me to oblivion, and Zen can't do any shenanigans if he's scum since I'm not voting and your vote's on him.

Pretty clear-cut, but if you want me to prove my towniness, this is a plan that, while risky, will win us the game. 'Course, it all boils down to if you trust me or not, but meh.

In fact, I'm extending this to both of you. Hell, cross-vote if you want to. No matter what, this game ends today, so it just depends on how you want it to go.

So, like I said: Fate is in your hands, Zenatsu, ThursdayAngel.

This is the plan, right in front of you, not even buttered up to sound like its anything less.

He wants you to vote me, so he can NOT quick-hammer, then ride away with the belief that he is completely town.

Proof?

Post 102. The Execution

After Thursday votes me, Voided can simply sit there and wait for me to do nothing (since he assumes I am completely AFK for the whole time being)

Now that he has Thursday wrapped around his finger and in utter dismay, he makes him unvote again, smart. Avoiding the quick hammer completely.

post 106. The follow through

Voided is self confirm claiming he is town. With only 1 reason "I didn't quick hammer, derp derp"

Which is excatly what you want, but you can't self confirm. Only the other players can call you a confirmed town.

So get the fuck off your high horse, you haven't won yet.

VOTE: Voidedmafia

Thursday, if you don't know what WIFOM (wine in front of me) is, let me know.

[Zenatsu]

By the way, the board is in PST, 2 hours behind me (I am CST (GMT - 6)). so that means 1:00am board time is 3:00am for me :X

[ThursdayAngel]

VOTE: VoidedMafia.

[ThursdayAngel]

It's over. Sorry Zen, it was all a ruse.

[Zenatsu]

Its a far cop.

[Zenatsu]

fair*

[ThursdayAngel]

Ah, is that an idiom? I don't really understand what it means /sweatdrop

[Zenatsu]

Yes: essentially it means that someone caught me doing something wrong.
Its a fair cop

[ThursdayAngel]

I see...

Well, I really enjoyed this game guys. I guess we just have to wait for mod confirmation.

It was really scary to be scum in my first forum mafia. But I really had fun, even though it was a bit stressful.

[Voidedmafia]

Actually, that wasn't anywhere close to WIFOM, Zen. I only said I was because what happened proved it.

Still, I guess I was on the right track with my PoE, huh?

[Voidedmafia]

anywho, explainin' time.

HOKAY, EXPLAININ' TIME! (here's hoping I don't trip over myself)

See, if I was really scum, naturally I would've voted to end the game right then and there because there's no point in dragging the game on any longer than necessary as scum as it increases your risk of being caught in something and thus lynched. Thus, NOT doing so practically confirms that person as town. (I'm aware that there may be games in the past where scum have not quickhammered immediately and have won, but I think that's the exception rather than the norm and doesn't take away from the strength of the tell).

I originally "learned" of the tell here in Newbie 1159, my 2nd scumgame on this site (and 3rd game I'd ever played). I say that in quotes because at the time I didn't know about the tell nor that it was even being applied (and admittedly yabbaguy was seen as town enough already that it may not have been needed), but all the same it did pretty much make him the last conftown in the game

The second place I had it used (where I actually learned what the tell was and thus realized that I had used it before in 1159) was in Double Vote Mafia, which I also replaced into and was scum. Unfortunately, the unveiling of the tell is lost to the data of the restart (though I could probably find the pages if I cared to search for them), but I was berated heavily for saying that I still suspected Christine (one of the townies) after Nobody Special and I cross-voted and she didn't immediately quickhammer either of us to end the game. Basically, the lack of the quckhammer made her conftown.

Like I said, scum COULD pull this ruse to WIFOM the last two town, but unless you're REALLY good scum (or just want to be a dick, which I wouldn't do ever unless I really hated one of you two for some reason) I fail to see why it'd be better than quickhammering and ending the game. Hence why it makes the person effectively conftown.

[ThursdayAngel]

anywho, explainin' time.

HOKAY, EXPLAININ' TIME! (here's hoping I don't trip over myself)

See, if I was really scum, naturally I would've voted to end the game right then and there because there's no point in dragging the game on any longer than necessary as scum as it increases your risk of being caught in something and thus lynched. Thus, NOT doing so practically confirms that person as town. (I'm aware that there may be games in the past where scum have not quickhammered immediately and have won, but I think that's the exception rather than the norm and doesn't take away from the strength of the tell).

I originally "learned" of the tell here in Newbie 1159, my 2nd scumgame on this site (and 3rd game I'd ever played). I say that in quotes because at the time I didn't know about the tell nor that it was even being applied (and admittedly yabbaguy was seen as town enough already that it may not have been needed), but all the same it did pretty much make him the last conftown in the game

The second place I had it used (where I actually learned what the tell was and thus realized that I had used it before in 1159) was in Double Vote Mafia, which I also replaced into and was scum. Unfortunately, the unveiling of the tell is lost to the data of the restart (though I could probably find the pages if I cared to search for them), but I was berated heavily for saying that I still suspected Christine (one of the townies) after Nobody Special and I cross-voted and she didn't immediately quickhammer either of us to end the game. Basically, the lack of the quckhammer made her conftown.

Like I said, scum COULD pull this ruse to WIFOM the last two town, but unless you're REALLY good scum (or just want to be a dick, which I wouldn't do ever unless I really hated one of you two for some reason) I fail to see why it'd be better than quickhammering and ending the game. Hence why it makes the person effectively conftown.

I actually agree with this. I was just too lazy to express my surprise at Voided pulling such a stunt. Also, even supposing I were town and Voided was the scum, I didn't think Voided was the type who wanted an utterly perfect victory.

[ThursdayAngel]

Voided, I just have to know... who were you going to vote, and why?

[Voidedmafia]

You don't know that...:p I've had a perfect scumgame once in a newbie and I'd love to make it two. (still looking for the perfect towngame, though).

Though, as scum you can still pull this ruse to make sure that the person you want to have the deciding vote is conftown.

As for me pulling such a stunt, it was largely desperation more than anything. What I said about not caring about me looking any better was true, so I was focusing on how I and the last town could win this game rather than how I was going to keep you two from voting me.

All in all, though, good scumgame, TA. Just be lucky I didn't vote you in the end, eh?

P-EDIT: You via PoE.

[Voidedmafia]

Like I said throughout my reread, Zen had been making townier posts and less scummier posts than you even though both of you were doing that, so my vote would've fallen on you today when I had the time to think.

Though, I will admit that I was completely terrified that I was throwing in a huge load of confirmation bias toward Zen throughout this, which was threatening to prevent me from voting at ALL. I think, at the end, I could've gone through with the vote, but I guess we'll never know.

[ThursdayAngel]

You don't know that...:p I've had a perfect scumgame once in a newbie and I'd love to make it two. (still looking for the perfect towngame, though).

You sly sunuva...

As for me pulling such a stunt, it was largely desperation more than anything. What I said about not caring about me looking any better was true, so I was focusing on how I and the last town could win this game rather than how I was going to keep you two from voting me.

It did look that way to me, and I was scared that such an attitude would be understood as town. (Because such a risk can not be considered null; it's either blatantly scum or desperate town.) So I put my hopes that I could use it to my advantage.

All in all, though, good scumgame, TA. Just be lucky I didn't vote you in the end, eh?

P-EDIT: You via PoE.

Thank you. But to be fair, I actually think most of the credit goes to RayFrost. He's a good scum teammate, he gave good advice in the QT, and I was very pleased with the quality of his interaction towards me in-game.

[ThursdayAngel]

Like I said throughout my reread, Zen had been making townier posts and less scummier posts than you even though both of you were doing that, so my vote would've fallen on you today when I had the time to think.

I was scared of that! To tell the truth, early game I had no idea what was going on and what was happening!

Though, I will admit that I was completely terrified that I was throwing in a huge load of confirmation bias toward Zen throughout this, which was threatening to prevent me from voting at ALL. I think, at the end, I could've gone through with the vote, but I guess we'll never know.

I guess we'll never know