Open 385 - No Lynching Town - GAME OVER

[drmyshotgun]

What I meant was this.:
I don't believe Vincent to be scum. Not yet with what I saw.
Frankly, I'm saying Meta is the scum and I am yet to find out his partner in crime.
However, since not everyone is convinced that Meta is scum, I'm saying lynching Vincent would be good strategy.
Most of us considers him scum and if we lynch him, we'll see the flip and gain certain informations based on that.
Also, there is a problem with his recent inactivity. He wont be doing Town any good until his trip to NZ finishes on 11th of April.
If we just leave him in the position where he is until then, he won't be doing anything good for the Town.
He ain't going to help anyways, why can't the Town just get him lynched "for being useless"?
If he is Mafia, good.
If he is Town, we give Mafia a must kill on Vincent. A confirmed Town.

[andrew94]

At school, but i see shotty's post as massive backtracking scum post.
he is most likely scum with metabot.

acrv's vincent+sleepy theroy is plausbile, but im thinking shotgun and meta.

will provide more info when i get home

[drmyshotgun]

I'm not shotty, you idiot.

[Packbat]

andrew94 may be correct, but this much is certain: drmyshotgun is proposing that we policy-lynch what he claims is a probable town player in a game in which policy-lynching is guaranteed to be ineffective,

rather than

attempt to curry support for his own leading scum suspect ...

the leading wagon

. Such a move is so blatantly scumsided that no amount of WIFOM could justify not voting to lynch on its basis.

VOTE: drmyshotgun

[Metabot]

Packbat: While what I said previously was by in large true, the main reason why I didn't vote on Vincent before, was this. I wanted to see who would be doing things like, advocating for a wagon while being off it, defending against alternative wagon choices to get a quicker wagon, etc. I thought saying I was on the wagon, and promising my vote later, would cause scum to take action.

VOTE: Gunny

I'm not going to be taking my vote off for a while.

[drmyshotgun]

Sigh, following someone on their move while finally doing what you always talked about doing.
Nice way to cover up, Meta.

[andrew94]

unvote vote shotgun

hes only defence is 'im not shotty'. he backtracks tons
as pack said, if we use shotgun's logic and lynch vincent, and he turns out to be townie, then mafia will prob not kill a useless guy?
using best case scernio for both aint good either.

Im still looking at meta, whos post looks like bussing, and possibly either acrv or (vincent and sleepy)

[andrew94]

Also, i would prefer to wait till sleepy says something useful before we end the day

[Junpei]

Vote Count 1.6

drmyshotgun (

L-2

): Packbat, andrew94
Metabot (L-3): drmyshotgun
SleepyKrew (L-3): AcRv

Not Voting

: Metabot, Vincent2128, SleepyKrew

With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch, and 4 to no lynch.

Deadline

: Saturday April 7th, 2012 ; 6 PM EST

V/LAs

: Vincent2128 March 31 - April 11

Replacements

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Other

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Attention to all players: Even though I read along the game and know nicknames you give each other, I won't accept votes on people when the name tagged in the vote isn't directly derived from some slots name, and could not be derived from multiple slots' names.

[drmyshotgun]

I'm Town you douche.
Meta made a wagon. Can't you see that??

unvote vote shotgun

hes only defence is 'im not shotty'. he backtracks tons
as pack said, if we use shotgun's logic and lynch vincent, and he turns out to be townie, then mafia will prob not kill a useless guy?
using best case scernio for both aint good either.

Im still looking at meta, whos post looks like bussing, and possibly either acrv or (vincent and sleepy)

Why would Vincent be useless??
He would be confirmed Town (if he is Town) and Mafia will HAVE to kill him cuz him surviving just shows Town less suspects.
My logic is right. We should kill Vincent.
Andrew, your reasoning on voting Meta was crap, and you voting me is a crapier decision. Why do you want to kill me over Meta?
I thought you linked us scum team and fking thought Meta was stronger suspect.

I thought saying I was on the wagon, and promising my vote later, would cause scum to take action.

VOTE: Gunny

I'm not going to be taking my vote off for a while.

There is only a few days left till deadline you moron.
You want to lynch a Townie quicker huh? I thought I was being useful by making lots of points but is this what it comes down to??
Lynching me over Vincent??
You want a useless unconfirmed to live and useful Town to die?
What a mafia move.

andrew94 may be correct, but this much is certain: drmyshotgun is proposing that we policy-lynch what he claims is a probable town player in a game in which policy-lynching is guaranteed to be ineffective,

rather than

attempt to curry support for his own leading scum suspect ...

the leading wagon

. Such a move is so blatantly scumsided that no amount of WIFOM could justify not voting to lynch on its basis.

VOTE: drmyshotgun

You may have started the votings, but I still think of you as mis-guided Town.
I am telling you Meta is scum. I thought I have already gave enough evidences to support this fact.

Sleepy has been sleeping for the 3/4 of this game. Awesome usefulness yourself bro.
While you don't look very scum to me, I still am unsatisfied with your play.

The deadline is almost five full days away and to lynch only requires four votes. It is not yet time to compromise.

It is almost 4 full days now, but people aren't talking are they?? They come on like once a day read for a bit and sometimes don't bother to say anything.

And vincent is at L-3, I think... xP

Yeah, sorry, watching the Celtics game has me off my game

I see your point. I don't like putting my vote on a potential wagon early though, I'd much rather be the one who hammers it. I just had bad experiences yelling at people to do what I want while effectively sitting on my hands.

If its anti-town/ scummy, I can change, but I don't see how it is.

He's just trying to make friends with everyone.
Holding in votes to deceive others.
Makes him look as if he has no opinion, no prime suspects etc etc useful things for Town.
Later on when you find him to be Scum, the REAL scum, you guys will have no evidence in terms of links with him.
He is absolutely connected to nobody! Everyone is his friend!
You must not be fooled by him people.
Scums want to make friends with the Town!
That is why I can't think of anyone who could be connected with Metabot as his partner in crime.
I'm thinking Vincent could be possible link.

Pack, I need to catch up.

Takes quite a while for you to catch up, doesn't it?

[Metabot]

Hrm. He towntold.

[Packbat]

Mod: Metabot voted for drmyshotgun.

UNVOTE: drmyshotgun
VOTE: Metabot

Gunny's¹ reaction to the wagon was towny. Metabot's - not so much. If he townslipped, why didn't you unvote?

1. Sorry, andrew94, but if Gunny likes the nick, I'm willing to use it. I always try to include the full names at least once per post anyway.

[Junpei]

Mod: Metabot voted for drmyshotgun.

Attention to all players: Even though I read along the game and know nicknames you give each other, I won't accept votes on people when the name tagged in the vote isn't directly derived from some slots name, and could not be derived from multiple slots' names.

[Metabot]

Because he towntold, but not strong enough for me to consider removing my vote. When I said towntold, I'm meaning its more of a gimmicky thing, although it has worked it past. That, I'm rather clumsy in moving my vote around.

Also, how is what I did scummy? Hypothetically I'm scum, and I didn't take my vote off, but instead commented on the fact that he seemed more towny to me? There's no scum motivation in that.

EBWOP: And yes, I didn't unvote because of gameplay related reasons, not the mod not taking my vote.

VOTE: drmyshotgun

[Packbat]

Mod: Metabot voted for drmyshotgun.

Attention to all players: Even though I read along the game and know nicknames you give each other, I won't accept votes on people when the name tagged in the vote isn't directly derived from some slots name, and could not be derived from multiple slots' names.

drmyshot

gun

. No other player has "gun" in their name.

Okay... fair enough, from now on "gunny" votes will count toward drmyshotgun. The nickname makes more sense to me now though.

[Metabot]

Attention Duelists: (more specifically Packbat)

You didn't answer my question. Also, tell me what about his post you found towny.

[Packbat]

drmyshotgun came off as genuinely angry. If he was scum trying to manipulate town, I don't think he'd be genuinely angry, there.

As for you, Metabot: your vote doesn't read as consistent with your stated voting policy. It looks opportunistic, instead.

[SleepyKrew]

Gunny:
Seeing as I plan on starting tonight, yes.

[Metabot]

Opportunistic? I had gunny as a scumread, actively pushed others to give me what they thought of him, pretty much was the only one pushing at his wagon until you joined me. The only thing in my play that was off was my stance on Vincent, which just gave me enough evidence to commit to a vote on Gunny.

I don't see how my vote, which is on my top scumread, is opportunistic. Especially given the fact that after he responded to the vote, I said "he scumtold."

By occam's razor, my story is more plausible than a scum-sided one.

[AcRv]

If he is Town, we give Mafia a must kill on Vincent. A confirmed Town.

You think scum would waste their kill on the player that almost everyone wanted lynched because they thought they were being useless? That's not going to happen. Well, I'd hope they'd be smarter than that. I personally don't take emotion into a game when I play because it can be faked by scum to look like an angry town player.

I also noticed something else.

Pack, I need to catch up.

... Wait, you have time to post a few million comments in the General discussion, but not enough time to read a few pages and post something vaguely related? You even changed your avatar and sig, and you also tried to run a marathon game! Marathon games take 30 mins to 2 hours. That is more than enough time to read a few pages and post something related.

I call active lurking! Massive active lurking! And 5 days from deadline too. That's just stupid and/or scummy. I'm leaning for scummy.

drmyshotgun did set off alarm bells with that thing about why we should lynch Vincent, but SleepyKrew is just so scummy, and has had time to defend himself and has just lurked. How does posting in other threads and trying to run a marathon game instead of posting in thread benefit town here? HOW?!

Please, at least try and defend yourself. Pretend to defend yourself even. Just do something!!! You should not have taken this long if you were on other parts of the site!

Go to his profile and search his posts, he has been posting many times a day in other threads.

Gunny:
Seeing as I plan on starting tonight, yes.

Hope you actually do post later like you just said you would =)

[drmyshotgun]

^So are you suggesting that Sleepy reads all the stuff we said but doesn't really contribute?
Or are you saying that he doesn't bother with us any more..?
One of the useful mafia move is to pretend to lose interest in the game slowly. Smells scummy. Yeah, I've seen Sleepy in other places too.
But its Meta that's scum here in my eyes.

[AcRv]

I'm saying that he's reading this. There is no way he could be on site that frequently without popping a look in here at all. Really.

He didn't slowly lose interest in the game, he just sorta stopped posting... On Tuesday Metabot asked him a bunch of questions. On Saturday he says:

Well, I would post something along the lines of "lynch me if I don't contribute by Sunday", but that won't actually do anything with this mechanic :/

He could've answered the questions. He was able to read part of the game as he responded to my post when I told him to post, and judging by his activity elsewhere he probably would have been able to reply to metabot's question. On Wednesday he was actively playing another game, but not answering metabot's questions from the day before.

There was no slow loss in interest. It was just playing normally one minute, then stopped posting here completely randomly. If he had time to look at another game, he had the time to look at this one. Therefore he should've read it. If you have time to be online you should really be looking at all your games... just not one and some of the general discussion. He's lurking hard, and there's no way he could have missed this game.

SleepyKrew is active lurking, and has unexplained contradictions in the way he responded to drmyshotgun and Vincent2128's first posts, both of which he said were useless. So he votes drmyshotgun for it and ignores Vincent. I've pointed out more of this unusual behaviour towards Vincent, meaning that he's either buddies with him, or he's trying to buddy him. That's why I think SleepyKrew should get lynched today because he's been making the slips, so there's a much higher chance of him being scum, and then Day 2 we may see if anyone else slips, or if it is actually Vincent as his buddy.

[SleepyKrew]

lalalalala
LALALALALA
YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO

[Packbat]

lalalalala
LALALALALA
YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO

What. The. Hell. Is. This.

[SleepyKrew]

I'm going to do this page by page so it's not superhuge.

Very stream of conscious sorry

Spoiler: Meta and AcRv, pg 3

Why did you feel the need to tell us that you're town?Because what I do is town motivated, and I believe that it should be seen that way. I like being town, and seen as town. It means I can work more freely to scumhunt without having to defend against stuff as much. I've heard this in my last game too, that I "try too hard."

This is not a good answer.

In Post 18, what's better than RVS and RQS? Excellent question, didn't know if anybody would pick up on that.

Neither is this.

You claim to understand my "brain shut off before 4" comment. Please explain it to the class. I'm not sure where I claimed to understand it, I was asking a bit about it earlier. Basically, random vote post 2, person voted in post 3, you gave your reason why and kept it the dude with an explanation in 4. You asked if my brain shut off before 4 because I seemingly didn't see/understand post 4.

Yes, but what was my reason?

I don't understand why we have to wait for you to tell us why you were questioning the votes on you.I don't either. Ask me later, I might remember. (tbh, its not that important, but I like having something up my sleeve, perhaps for egotistical effects xP)

LA LA LA LA LA

Okay post 73 andrew still scum.

vote someone for being useless? That sounds an awful lot like a policy lynch. In a game where lynching a town does nothing. Great work there.

Umm no
I was saying that his uselessness was scummy
sposed to lynch scum

Woah, so you're experienced? Then why did you put a serious vote on someone for being useless in a game where they wouldn't get lynched? And let's say that the lynch did go ahead. Now, if what you're saying is true, we'd have a useless confirmed town that would be wasting a spot because scum wouldn't waste their kill on him.So basically you wanted us to waste our lynch straight away. Great thing to hear from the most experienced player...

Or maybe because I think he's scum