Open 379: JK9++ (Game Over)

[Chevre]

Vote Count 2-4

(3) Maruchan (kondi2424, Lord Mhork, Phillammon)
(2) kondi2424 (Maruchan, The Mini-Librarian)

(5) Not Voting (Chimera, Kurtis, Lowell, Skeletor)

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

votes to lynch.
The deadline for Day 2 is

13 April 2012 @ 11:10pm U.S. Central Standard Time

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Replacing Skeletor.

[Lord Mhork]

I can find the reactions to them, but they themselves don't use quotes, and I have no time to sift through.

It seems a lot of people "react" to stuff I "say" that they can not find.

You yourself, Lord Mhork, and if I were to backtrace I am sure I can find more.

Coincidence, or should this be saying things? I think, due to the tone of my posts, you all assume I am saying something I am actaully not, then forget that I didn't ACTUALLY say whatever you gusy think I said as the game goes on.

If I don't directly say something, it means I'm not thinking it. I don't use implications, I don't half-say stuff. I come out and say it.

May this be a lesson for everyone, make sure I am saying what you think I am saying before using it as a "point" in cases against me.

@Lord Mhork, I have not forgotten your question, I just have not yet had time to go back and quote my first point yet.

Sorry if typos. IE at school has no spell check. X.X

Alrighty, pal, I'll be waiting. And remember to please spoon feed me this point so there's absolutely no possibility that I misinterpret anything you say. Looking at your post here, it seems as though that gets you all riled up.

I still don't see any case at all against Maru. I will be vehemently against this wagon.

Basically Mork's case is that Maru attacks his people in an aggressive manner and thus be scum. Bullshit.

Phil's case is "oh god maru says he's not scum so he must be scum"

I know I'm generalizing a bit (OK, a lot) but seriously, the best single case out there is that slip by Kondi. The next best case is to lynch a lurker. And I fucking hate doing that.

Let's get this straight. Hypocrisy is not a scumtell necessarily. You have to look for scum motivation. Maru's play has been damn transparent. I'm not seeing any scum motivation here.

Anyway, @Chimera: Who is scum?

That's just not true. Look at my case, yeah? The only real aggressive part is the opportunistic "Quick! We're a week from deadline! Lynch! Lynch! Lynch!" the rest were slightly different. I discussed his WIFOM, his Appeals to Emotion, his

faulty

scumslip (the one you appear to think is the best case presented today), his self absorption, his condescension, and his directing conversations to areas he prefers to discuss.

What do you think of those parts?

And, yes, Phillammon is sheeping me. This is clear. However, Maruchan saying he is town is

not

the only point I've presented.

Also, you have a town read on Chimera? Why?

It's very possible you were doing this so that we would ignore the possibility of you being mafia.

You are right. It is. It is a POSSIBILITY. Just like it is a possibility we are both scum.

Scumslip.

If you were town, you would know there was no possibility of you being scum.

u c wut i did der

While posted in a trollish manner, this is actually a good point. I know that I've fallen victim to the "Listing self as possible scum" scum tell. Why, Maruchan, did you state that there's a possibility we are both scum? Logically, as kondi said, there should be no chance we are scum together.

[Chimera]

...so once again my post is mostly "what mhork said".

And TML, I have no zarking clue to be frank. The multitude of lurkers and the maru-kondi debates are making getting a clear read relatively difficult...though at this point I'd at least say Mhork and Phil look pretty town to me.

[Lowell]

site problem has cleared up, at least for the moment. Can get more detailed reads later, but in the meantime:

maru is still obvtown. it seems most of the case against him is people finding him annoying. which is .... fair.... but not a good case.

vote kondi

this wagon needs more juice. if not it'll be one of those inane things that fizzles without reason.

[Lord Mhork]

Lowell, please at least answer my points against Maruchan. It is not simply that he is annoying. I find it irritating that both you and The Mini-Librarian are generalizing my case in a single word before just dismissing it.

[Lord Mhork]

Also, there's a reason the kondi wagon is fizzling. It was based on a shaky 'scumslip' which, as far as I can see, I've more or less disproved.

[Maruchan]

Phil is confirmed killing PR TML.
Do not mix the two up. He could just as well be a SK, so until we have an SK flip/Vig flip we have to assume that Phil has a 50/50 chance of being EITHER.

As for the quote from yesterday I mentioned:
Kondi, if I was a scum read of yours, and quite a strong one, why could ONLY Fennin die yesterday? Why weren't you OK with a Maru-Lynch?

I'll tell you why, as scum, you knew Fennin was town. You also knew Maruchan was uber-pushing for a Fennin Lynch, so you figured you could go along wit h the Fennin-known-town-to-you lynch then frame Maruchan the next day and go SEE HOW BAD HE WANTED FENNIN GONE?!?!?!? as a reason to get me lynched. Nice scum-play sir. Nice scum-play. But you tipped your hand by not wanting me lynched yesterday.


On that note, why would scum push uber-hard for a lynch on someone they KNOW would flip townie? Are you guys really this stupid? How is uber-pushing a SCUM tell? Scum HATE attention, and uber-pushing then receiving town-flip is ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION. You guys need to go learn what moves are scum-moves and what moves are idiot-moves.

@Lord Mhork, the above.

[Phillammon]

Yeah, that doesn't answer a majority of the questions he actually asked.

[Maruchan]

That wasn't an answer to his questions, it was what I haven't had the time to do for 2 days, link him to my original point against kondi.

[Phillammon]

Fair enough.

[kondi2424]

Doesn't change the fact that Maru still hasn't defended at all to his scumslip.

[Chimera]

site problem has cleared up, at least for the moment. Can get more detailed reads later, but in the meantime:

maru is still obvtown. it seems most of the case against him is people finding him annoying

and hypocritical

. which is .... fair.... but not a good case.

vote kondi

this wagon needs more juice. if not it'll be one of those inane things that fizzles without reason.

FTFY. His case on kondi can largely be applied to himself.

Speaking of kondi...why does the kondi wagon need more juice? As Mhork said, there is a reason it's dying...why do you disagree?

[Maruchan]

It's dying because lord mhork has gone CHAINSAW MARUCHAN mode, which I have a theory I will post about tomorrow when I am feeling better I just realized earlier today btw.

Also, how is my case on Kondi hypocritical exactly? What have I called him out on that I haven't done

@Kondi I haven't defended myself yet because I have been sick out of my mind for the past week, and do not have the energy to post the long thoughts I would liek to post. Spring Break starts tomorrow though, so this weekend I should address anything you want to worry about.

[kondi2424]

I thought your excuse was that it sucked?

[Maruchan]

Your way of stating it, was yes.

Lord Mhork's re-wording of how my "scumslip" could be a scumslip, was worth noting and replying to.

so HE will get my explanation, when I feel up to explaining something.

You on the other hand still get your label of troll.

[kondi2424]

Hah. So we stated the exact same thing with different wording, yet it has different levels of affect somehow?

[Lord Mhork]

kondi, how strong a scum read is Maruchan to you?

[kondi2424]

Pretty far up. If he's town, I'll be pissed. With 1/3 of the players left alive being mafia, I'm pretty sure we've got one here.

Plus I'm pretty sure he scumslipped so

[Lowell]

^^^ posts like the above make it hard for me to believe kondi isn't scum.

[Phillammon]

Kondi: How, exactly, do you know that a third of the players left are scum?

[kondi2424]

Hmm, I guess it could be 2/9, but that's much less likely than 1/3.

@Lowell: How was that post scummy?

[Phillammon]

As you said earlier, it could well also be 4 out of 9. Why the sudden change on setup speculation? And for that matter, why bring it up in the first place?

[Lowell]

Because scum don't have anything interesting to talk about.

[kondi2424]

Okay, sorry. AROUND 1/3. Better?

I was using it as a statement for "a lot of people".

@Lowell: Ignoring the fact that that's a shitty policy, what have you said that was interesting recently?

[Maruchan]

kondi scumslip 2.0 has been revealed.