Open 382: Friends and Enemies in MSPaint! (Game Over)

[Slandaar]

Get out of here scumbag

That does not fly in my town.

You dont get to change reads without reasons.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

No pony vote. Trust me on this. If Furcolow is a complete derp and is mason, running him up can give away who is mason with him.

@Furcolow - Claim

VOTE: Alice

Plenty of problems with Slaandar's argument that should be obvious to him. VOTE: Slaandar

Rainbow. No one wants to listen.

Get out of here scumbag

That does not fly in my town.

You dont get to change reads without reasons.

Haven't you done the same thing before though? (Not just refering to here)

[Hoopla]

Day 2, Vote Count #2

With eleven alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch. Deadline is schedueled for 09:00 GMT, April 16th <Countdown>.

Alicewondering -

1

(Slandaar)

Slandaar -

1

(kondi2424)

Not voting -

9

(Furcolow, Blueberry, Rhinox, Alicewondering, Rainbowdash, Elmo TeH AzN, Kamikrazy, Kassadin, Haze)

[Alicewondering]

lol Slan. That theory is actually terrible. You can't call the scumteam D2, especially because I'm town.

[Rhinox]

No pony vote. Trust me on this. If Furcolow is a complete derp and is mason, running him up can give away who is mason with him.

@Furcolow - Claim

Yeah this was my thinking too, that Furc is either scum or mason, given that those are the 2 entities that could quickhammer without worrying about the consequences. (However, given what I've seen from furc in this game I'm not sure we should rule out simply derp-town tbh)

Wall of quotes incoming:

/sigh...

Seriously what in the hell.

=________=

??? pizza got hammered o.o?

I think there's some good info in the reactions to the hammer, given that pizza flipped town. I think in the 4 frustration responses, there's at least 1 player faking frustration. Kami has what, 5 other posts in the game? Yet is there to immediately express how frustrated he is after the hammer? not sure I buy that. Alice and elmo, well you're both on the wagon, you're both part of the lynch. Elmo you had just put pizza to L-1. If both of you really felt pizza was scum, a claim wouldn't be as important as your reactions incinuate. But at least you both were active and invested during the game. Elmo at least made it clear that his vote was L-1. Of these 4 responses I find these 2 more believable. Kass's response is just lol all over. Elmo announce L-1. Rainbow acknowledged L-1. Furc hammered and said it was hammer. Multiple people respond to a hammer with frustrations/whatifs. Then Kass pops in "whaaa??? hammer?????? I don even??". Most fake reaction of the bunch.

The other reactions (kondi/rainbow/blueberry) I feel like there should be something there too but I can't pin it down, so thats why I'm not really addressing them. I think rainbow had a very town response, but I'm not sure of the other 2.

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If alice is not scum. U die nxt day?

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in case its not clear

Alice was caught and furcolow hammered to get the day over with.

Read your other posts as well, just didn't want to add any more quotes to this post. I agree that Alice's reasons for voting pizza are completely fabricated.

I'm not sure I buy the theory that furc hammered to protect alice. I think thats your ego talking - yes you brought attention to a suspicious point in regards to alice, but its not an OMG OBVSCUM kinda catch. And alice wasn't in jeapardy from it. Granted not many players had time to respond to your find before the hammer, but I'm not sure I see that were it not for the hammer an alice lynch would have been inevitable, and were I scum in furcow's position, I don't think I'd have been thinking "ZOMG I better hammer to save alice!!"

That said:

lol Slan. That theory is actually terrible. You can't call the scumteam D2, especially because I'm town.

Obvious strawman is obvious. Alice is attacking the theory without addressing the points slaan is bringing up about her being scum. Even if slaan's theory is a bunk, doesn't mean he's wrong about alice.

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I'm waiting on a claim. /shrug

Does this mean furcow is your top suspect right now? What are your thoughts on everything else going on?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3948197 - bad vote from kondi

but...

oh ya

if I EVER FLIP IN THIS GAME

YOU LYNCH KONDI WITHOUT HESITATION HES SCUM 100%

basically scum team is

Kondi/Alice/Furc

this is a pretty rediculous response to the vote.

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vote: Kassadin

I was starting to get suspicious of him yesterday. I think his reaction to the hammer + the whole "If alice flips town lynch slandaar next" comment today makes him my #1 choice today.

[Slandaar]

rhinox
I was voting Kondi yesterday. that was not a reaction to any vote. Kondi is scum and I have known it for a while.

[Rhinox]

yeah thats fair. I just think you've been making some good points, but you also sound a little crazy about some things, so its hard for me to take you seriously. I think I see what you're doing and I feel your style of scumhunting is pretty effective at getting reactions so I'll just leave it at that.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Does this mean furcow is your top suspect right now? What are your thoughts on everything else going on?

Given the abrupt hammer, yes.
It bothers me that it came as a rash decision and cutting off any other discussion.

[Rainbowdash]

No.

Seriously.

Shut up. Stop posting until Furcolow claims.

This goes for all of you.

We ARE lynching him today if he is not a mason. Period.

[Alicewondering]

@Rhinox, while I agree Kass's votes are bad, they seem genuinely confused. What are your thoughts on this?

(However, given what I've seen from furc in this game I'm not sure we should rule out simply derp-town tbh)

I actually think that this is the case. There's no way scum would be that obvious anti-town... or would they? WIFOM

[kondi2424]

@Alice: I actually have an interesting story that ties in to that. Read Mini Theme 1242: Sweeney Todd Mafia. I played so bad I looked good!

[Blueberry]

Stop posting until Furcolow claims.

Nothing to do here.

[Slandaar]

(Vote Alice)

[Haze]

No.

Seriously.

Shut up. Stop posting until Furcolow claims.

This goes for all of you.

We ARE lynching him today if he is not a mason. Period.

...and effectively forcing him to claim mason regardless whether or not he really is one.

If he's scum/VI then he definitely won't be following your rules, Dashie.

[Slandaar]

When I get home I am going to rewrite my Alice case in pretty colours as I think I didnt do it justice... people dont seem to be sheeping me

[Rhinox]

So, we're just gonna kill all momentum in the game waiting for furcow to grace us with his presence? (Last visited: Last visited:Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:47 am just FYI)

Slandaar: Why Alice and not Kondi?

[Slandaar]

Kondi case is a lot to do with meta and lurking

Hes voting me here for?, hes just making reads up which is what he does as scum. Note the Alice and Haze are untouchable reads... his read change on me after scum just had a nightchat is also telling when I was not anything to do with the pizza wagon nothing should have changed. My case on Alice is good.

Hes scum, but a case isnt going to get him lynched (because he lurks and posts nothing which I called him out on)

[Slandaar]

basically lynch me lynch him guaranteed he flips scum. But Alice needs to go also and I can get Alice lynched first.

[Slandaar]

THIS IS THE ENEMY

SAVE THE TOWN
VOTE ALICEWONDERING

Part 1:

Alice can decipher between Derpy/PL and scum

I read Kass's ISO, and it actually doesn't strike me as so much scummy as derpy.

@Rhinox, while I agree Kass's votes are bad, they seem genuinely confused. What are your thoughts on this?

This is important, Alice can see that Kass is just derpy or a PL. She basically is defending Kass with a PL defence in post 259. Alice knows what a PL is.

Part 2:

Alice's Vote on Pizza

I don't really see how I sheeped you at all. I disagreed with your assessment that Pizza was scum, though it was a valid point that I tucked away.

Hmm, I see that my Elmo vote is not going anywhere. Can we please lynch him tomorrow? Anyway, I'll be fine voting Pizza.
VOTE: Pizza (L-2)

These are the only 2 times Alice mentions Pizza before voting and she really doesnt question him or scumhunt him afterwards. She has sheeped Rainbow. This is a fact. Assuming Elmo (another PL - take note) is town we can see

Alice has now voted two policy lynches but seems to know kassadin is also a pl and defends him as such.

Part 3:

Alice gets caught red handed

Pizza wagon is more likely to go somewhere. But besides that, I don't think

lurking

inactivity is a scumtell (for Kondi). Kass doesn't really strike me as scum, but I'd have to reread. He just seems really derpy.

Pizza has been wishy washy about votes--scum setting up a way to back out later.

The difference is Pizza has been wishy washy about Votes (he hasnt, she then corrected it to reads ... fine)

Tracy: Rubs me the wrong way. I can see her being scum, especially with her first post asking if roles were rerandomized. Just sounds fishy.

Furcolow: Seems like he is trying to set up an obvtown basis for himself. He is definitely someone to watch through this game and to not let out of our radar.

Kassadin: His posts irk me. They are all one-liners and contribute nothing at all. Definitely not helping town atm.

These reads are very clear. They are not Wishy Washy. Are they good? It really doesnt matter. What matters is that Alice can Distinguish between derpy/pl and not as shown in part 1 however she does not see this in Pizza.

Ask yourself

Why didn't Alice defend Pizza as she recently did against Kassadin?

What was the huge difference between their play? (wishy washy reads which is completely false)

So why did Alice vote Pizza? Pizza who is now proven town.

Because Alice is scum.

Basically, see Rainbow's case on Pizza.

Alice could not explain why she was voting Pizza

she had sheeped Rainbow but didnt know what she had sheeped

. She tries to redirect me to rainbow.

Part 4:

Afterthoughts

lol Slan. That theory is actually terrible. You can't call the scumteam D2, especially because I'm town.

After presenting this initially, this is Alices response. Do you see how she cannot actually defend herself from the issues raised? instead focused on my theory which might be wrong, but the issues why she is scum are still valid.

After writing this I realised how likely Kass is scum with her.

[Rainbowdash]

...and effectively forcing him to claim mason regardless whether or not he really is one.

If he's scum/VI then he definitely won't be following your rules, Dashie.

I dont think anypony is enough of a VI to kill themselves and a mason at the same time. If he is VT he needs to face the music and learn to play better in the future or keep getting lynched for doing this stuff. Its more a matter of principle then anything else at this point.

If we let anypony get away with it, we are making it really easy for scum to get away with moves that greatly benifit them in the future. I would rather keep policy lynching VIs then make the game easier for scum if thats what Furc is.

[kondi2424]

Hey guys lynching Slandaar is the right play here.

[Slandaar]

kondi

we lynch you, you flip town we lynch me

deal?

[Rainbowdash]

@Slandaar - kondi is probably town for 225. I also dont want to have to give the "how to gain support" speech here, dont make me.

Stop distracting from the fact that we need the Furc claim.

[Hoopla]

Furcolow and Kamikrazy have been prodded.

[Haze]

Well I see Kamikrazy is browsing the forum at least. Good Start. And after refreshing, he's gone? WTF

@Slan: stop tunnelling so hard. The fatal flaw of your case is that Alice could be bad-town.

Also your case seems to support a scumteam of Kassadin/Kondi/Alice, rather than Furc/Kondi/Alice. Because if Alice was scum obviously protecting a derpy teammate makes more sense. What makes Furc a bigger scumread and where are the associative tells?

Also 1 for 1 is really *bleep*ing bad for town atm. Don't.

@Dahsie: Sure. But surely you don't expect us to just idle and wait for him? Regardless of when he's going to claim, I think we should force the scum to keep up with the posting.

also:

Happy Easter Everybody! =P

May still be midnight for you guys lol