Worst Role Mafia - GAME OVER!

[2birds1stone]

I don't deny I shouldn't die eventually.

BBmolla should know better to speedlynch, and I refuse to believe he could be town with an attitude like that. He tries to defend that speedlynching could be okay in a game like this, but really, the principles are still the same, a speedlynch still cuts down on discussion time. He tries now to backpedal and say "oh, I don't actually care how long it takes", but his early posts against me were far more urgent.

I have *counts* five games on site, though one ended in mod error, and another ended in the great rollback/thing. I have other games off-site, but they're... different, I really wouldn't count them.

I think I should be lynched tomorrow, if we're going to lynch me at all. It gives me ample time to be vigged/dayvigged/otherwise eliminated.

Also, last Worst Roles Mafia, there was a role similar to mine. Check it out.

[2birds1stone]

Okay, that question I asked the mod, the one about what happens if I get investigated, well... he didn't give a particularly clear answer. Specifically, he left it as vague as possible.

Fuck I hate this role.

At least it breaks RVS.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Okay, that question I asked the mod, the one about what happens if I get investigated, well... he didn't give a particularly clear answer. Specifically, he left it as vague as possible.

Fuck I hate this role.

At least it breaks RVS.

So Im going to assume that this is after GNR posted his daykill and it's fake.

[Amrun]

Quicklynching is NOT universally bad; you are incorrect. There is merit to the theory that allowing scum to obfuscate things is only the dissemination of red herrings in a situation like this. How the wagon builds is still information. Whether or not you agree with that theory is irrelevant. BBmolla having different ideas about theory than you does not make him scum, and you trying to paint it that way is weak and scummy.

izak was not even aware of the last Worst Roles Mafia until this game was almost full, so he did not recycle roles from there. But you probably got your fakeclaim idea from there. Why else would have checked it out? It has nothing to do with this game.

[BBmolla]

If it's been done with town as mod confirmed scum before

That makes me think you're scum even more

I can't find the last game, a link would be good

You should link it asap, you totally should.

[2birds1stone]

Quicklynching is NOT universally bad; you are incorrect. There is merit to the theory that allowing scum to obfuscate things is only the dissemination of red herrings in a situation like this. How the wagon builds is still information. Whether or not you agree with that theory is irrelevant. BBmolla having different ideas about theory than you does not make him scum, and you trying to paint it that way is weak and scummy.

If this were LyLo, I'd agree with you. I didn't think this bit of theory was disputed in other phases of the game, but if you say so, okay, I'll back down.

izak was not even aware of the last Worst Roles Mafia until this game was almost full, so he did not recycle roles from there. But you probably got your fakeclaim idea from there. Why else would have checked it out? It has nothing to do with this game.

You don't read games for entertainment's sake? Anyway, if I was going to fakeclaim, it would be far more improbable than this.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go Turns out I was wrong though, it was a scum-aligned player with the role.

[Amrun]

Wait, but quicklynching in LyLo is okay? You're a little backwards there.

The point is that theory disagreement =/= scum and your bad push on bbmolla adds merit to the fact that THE MOD SAYS YOU'RE SCUM.

[2birds1stone]

I honestly wouldn't take any mod's word for it in this game.

I honestly don't see any reason not to lynch me day two instead, it strikes me as a better option. Of course, living strikes me as the best option, but I'm a little biased.

Not in any LyLo, and not a quicklynch per se, but in three-way-LyLo with a clear, it's been suggested before that the non-clears cross and the clear hammers after re-reading, without any discussion, so the non-clears can't obfuscate the issue, with a possible exception for information entirely new to the game (meta, roleclaims/role-related-information claims).

[Amrun]

How do we know if we can trust the mod's word until we test it?

What if you're scum that has a detrimental ability? Why let you use it when we can lynch you now?

[izakthegoomba]

The day had barely begun, but the Guy named Riggs was ready for action. He pulled a revolver from his belt, aimed it at Elmo, and shouted "DIE CRIMINAL SCUM!!!"

Was he scum? Not quite...

Elmo TeH AzN,

Endgame Jester

, was daykilled Day 1

The votecount has been reset, and the Day continues!

Votecount 1.01

2birds1stone (0) -

none

Candy Corn Vampire (0) -

none

IceGuy (0) -

none

Amrun (0) -

none

Teleporting Speed Hippos (0) -

none

Chimera (0) -

none

Moneybags (0) -

none

mcqueen (0) -

none

ManiacalLemon (0) -

none

saulres (0) -

none

Robotnick2 (0) -

none

Guy_Named_Riggs (0) -

none

BBmolla (0) -

none

PokerFace (0) -

none

Oversoul (0) -

none

Elmo TeH AzN (0) -

none

ShadowGirl (0) -

none

Captain Haddock (0) -

none

Phillammon (0) -

none

danakillsu (0) -

none

Gimmicky Alt (0) -

none

numberQ (0) -

none

Agent_Ireland (0) -

none

RedPanda (0) -

none

knox (0) -

none

No Lynch (0) -

none

Not voting (25) - Guy_Named_Riggs, BBmolla, Captain Haddock, numberQ, Agent_Ireland, knox, saulres, IceGuy, ManiacalLemon, Phillammon, Chimera, Oversoul, Elmo TeH AzN, Moneybags, Amrun, danakillsu, ShadowGirl, PokerFace, Robotnick2, Gimmicky Alt, Candy Corn Vampire, mcqueen, RedPanda, 2birds1stone, Teleporting Speed Hippos

With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. The deadline is 20:00 UTC on 28th April 2012, in (expired on 2012-04-28 21:00:00).

[Captain Haddock]

There is merit to the theory that allowing scum to obfuscate things is only the dissemination of red herrings in a situation like this. How the wagon builds is still information.

But you probably got your fakeclaim idea from there.

No, short days are terrible. A wagon will build anyway. fakeclaim?


I can see 2birds ascum but that doesn't mean we should lynch now and get no information.

I don't see how BBMolla can come out with crap like "That's plenty of reactions, that's plenty to read" and actually believe it, whatever 2bird's alignment it would be in scum-BBMolla's interests to end the day immediatly.
VOTE: BBMolla

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Endgame Jester

[2birds1stone]

*sigh*

Let's try again then

Vote: ManiacalLemon

[2birds1stone]

Going back to McQueen, will re-evaluate my position on BBmolla.

Unvote: ManiacalLemon
Vote: McQueen

Btw GNR, did you have a clue what you were shooting there? I... I wouldn't mind some sort of softclaim-explanationy-thingy.

[knox]

Thay being said, this needs to be done

Daykill:Elmo

[ShadowGirl]

How do we know if we can trust the mod's word until we test it?

What if you're scum that has a detrimental ability? Why let you use it when we can lynch you now?

Last sentence is a very good point; if we're going to lynch 2birds then it should be today, in case he is mafia and has a night ability.

@2birds: Do you have any sort of night ability?

-thumbs up- for the dayvig, although I'd be interested if you had any idea what you were shooting at...

[knox]

I claim a vote magnet, any votes for me will stay on me and be wasted. You have been forewarned.
VOTE: 2birds1stone

Going back to McQueen, will re-evaluate my position on BBmolla.

Unvote: ManiacalLemon
Vote: McQueen

Btw GNR, did you have a clue what you were shooting there? I... I wouldn't mind some sort of softclaim-explanationy-thingy.

[ShadowGirl]

Oh. Posting in gifs. What a fun post restriction. Um, so what's the number of people with post restrictions now? Four, five?

[2birds1stone]

I don't have a night ability, but if you think I'm scum, you have no reason to believe that.

I really do wanna here what GNR has to say about his dayvig. I'm amused, and glad, but oh so curious.

P-EDIT: I assume you haven't been reading the thread Manic, I said quite clearly that I'm testing you're claim.

[2birds1stone]

EBWOP: Apparently Knox posted that message, go figure.

Someone is most certainly faking a post restriction.

[IceGuy]

Regarding 2b1s: My role is actually a heavily modified version of the one in the thread: the original version had a non-town wincon and a different mechanic, only name and basic idea are the same. So I was skeptical of the announcement in the beginning, and am somehow inclined to believe him.

In retrospect, this is just a big batch of WIFOM we're probably best off to ignore. UNVOTE:

What's more interesting is GNR's role. I know this is tantamount to outguessing the mod, but there are only two roles which have the potential of a daykill on Day 1 without any other obvious interactions:
Rampaging Dinosaur Vigilante
Unlimited Dayvig

The Unlimited Dayvig is obviously unbalanced, and the only way to balance it would be having a limited dayvig, which would be a normal dayvig and therefore not suitable for this game.

Leaving some version of the RDV, where the vig profits from hitting scum. In this case, shooting somebody early when there are no leads is a really, really bad idea.

GNR, claim please.

At the moment, saulres is vaguely town, and BBMolla is vaguely scum.

[knox]

[knox]

[knox]

[Robotnick2]

I love your post restriction, knox, but is it possible to write in smaller letters so that you don't need three images?

[knox]