Open 387: Jungle Republic (Day 6 - ends in a Town Victory)

[Chrimi]

I saw nowhere that nom FoS'd anybody...?

Ugh, you scum and making up bullshit to back up your bullshit.

P-edit: It's a scumtell, Slandaar.

[Thomith]

pretty sure when om replaced in and pretty much said he suspected (was "wary" of, so pretty much a gut scum read) on kondi and slandaar.

[Thomith]

oh and nom cant you read where i said I KNOW YOU DIDN'T START IT but you are pushing it so the point stays.

[Om of the Nom]

@Slandaar: When did I even bring up you vote-hopping as a meta way of suspecting you? I can think parts of your meta are normal and other parts are off.

[Chrimi]

Suspicion, gut read, he seems like scum...

NOT Fos'd.

FoS'd is when you type it, in bold. Otherwise, it's just suspicion, no fingers here.

And so what? Having an argument is good, so you can find the scum. More arguing, the more information you get.

For instance, I can already clear someone as town. Mmm, this game is going to be good.

[Thomith]

still a suspicion.
also you can not 100% clear someone as town in this setup, sorry.

[Chrimi]

And where did you pull that percentage from?

Don't put words in my mouth.

Never does clear mean 100%, no matter what the setup, for me. Clear means I won't be pressuring them until I see something suspicious.

[Thomith]

clear means not scum so it is 100%, someone being "clear" to you is a town read.

[Chrimi]

Nuh uh uh, watch what you say.

Clear can mean many a things. I was just letting you know, when I say clear, I don't mean not scum. I mean I won't worry about them until later.

As I said before, everyone is scum.

Also, town reads can change rather quickly.

A problem I have is mistaking bad logic for scum slips, so excuse me while I go rethink through a few things.

[vijay2vasandani]

Let's not argue about semantics.

Chrimi: who is scum? Slandaar or OOTN? Or both?

OOTN: in one sentence, why is Slandaar scum?

Slander: same, but for OOTN.

[Thomith]

then let's just agree that our definition of "clear" is different then and agree to disagree.

also kass, unless i missed it you still haven't explained why you found slandaar scummy before all this happened, could you explain please?

[Chrimi]

Sounds good, Thomith.

Opinions, opinions.

Vijay, Everybody is scum, remember that. The more likely would have to be Slandaar, I am getting a few town reads on nom.


Nom and Slandaar, I would like your cases on eachother. I prefer not one sentence, although that is effective, I want to see everything you've got.

[Slandaar]

Vote hopping can be a scumtell depending no the context.
it is a scumtell when you do it during the day with no deadlines nearby and no clear reason.

Obviously you were insinuating this

I see it as scum vote hopping.

as shown here

Therefore you are saying I am scum for vote hopping, I am scum based on meta, yet my meta says votehopping = town.

You cant use meta when it suits you and not when it doesnt. (well you can when you are scum, or try to)

or you want to admit you dont know my meta and just fabricated your read on me again making you scum... (this is the case)

[Chrimi]

Oh, and don't make another big argument at the moment Sland, Nom, I juts want to see cases- not arguments. Things that I can follow, understand, and see the logic in.

P-edit: Slandaar, he was saying he sees your vote hopping scum-like. He is saying that you're scum-like for vote hopping. If his read on you is fabricated, it does not make him scum, it just means he does not have a case on you.

[Slandaar]

Town dont just fabricate reads.

[Chrimi]

You have a point.

However, he made up the case- not purposely. He thought that vote hopping was scummy and your meta goes against it, and maybe he really thought that it made you scummy.

From my third person point of view, it seems to be a large town slip.

[Thomith]

but if you meta slandaar you see he nearly always vote-hops, so that arguement is invalid.

[Chrimi]

Yes.

Still a new-town or bad-town slip, I see it he was blinded by the fact he was arguing with somebody.

A lot of players get caught up having to prove the person they're fighting against wrong, and this can cause a lot of in-town fights. Perhaps he didn't think it all the way through.

What I'm saying is he messed up, but I see that he messed up in a very town-like way.

[Thomith]

why are you so sure he isn't scum that messed up? Bad meta to me is a scumtell, not a towntell.

[Chrimi]

Then obviously we think differently.

Bad meta to me is a towntell, not a scumtell.

We all have our opinions, but mine is nom is clear for me, so I'll do my part in defending him for the moment.

[Chrimi]

Now, can we find another trail to go down? This one is going nowhere and the amount of information is running out.

[vijay2vasandani]

Thomith, your sig. Best song ever. Regarding the game, I'm guessing you're insinuating OOTN - newbscum?

OOTN still is cornered townie lashing out at his attackers. Also, I believe that he was wrong about knowing your meta, but has no space to back down.

Chrimi, I was going to say you would play better if you stopped posting like everybody you talk to is 12. Then I remembered your actually quite close to that age yourself X.X

[Chrimi]

X.X Fourteen;

I apologize if it was taken that way, I was just saying what was on my mind.

Also, I agree with vijay's statement on OOTN.

[Om of the Nom]

Slandaar is scum because he isn't acting completely in his meta. He is also trying to discredit me (which is something I really hate).
I did mention that I may not remember meta 100%. I may be a bit hazy on it, but as I mentioned way earlier in the thread, you aren't playing like the town-Slandaar I know.
Vote hopping is scummy, regardless of whether you have been known to do it or not.

EDIT: Hooray for being 13 :D

[Slandaar]

Meta reads are very easy to makeup to look like you are scumhunting.

He defends himself from me saying 10pages is clearly not enough to meta someone on but later wants me to meta him, which shows complete hypocrisy as if his read is good, I have the same meta on him as he on me therefore I know his meta like he knows mine. Yet it shows he knows 10pages isnt enough. Making him scum.