D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[BBmolla]

can you explain to me the sense in having a protown role which cant be killed except via lynch which wouldnt happen because you are protown?

To draw a night kill?

I really don't know bro I don't have any idea what the rest of the setup is like.

Don't you think it'd be even

more

overpowered as scum?

Correction real quick, Immune Force makes it so powers can not

target

me. I somehow misread. My Deflect ability prevents blasters from harming me, I'm assuming I must have mixed them.

That means that my role, in better terms(assuming I don't use the Force Pull active), is

Unlimited Bulletproof Reflexive Roleblocker

.

If scum had this role, I'd quit. It'd not only be a Godfather and a Ninja, it'd be immune to Vigs.

That'd be unbelievably overpowered and extremely unrealistic for scum to have.

[BBmolla]

The above post assumes that normal abilities(Cop, Doc, Tracker) are force powers, please correct me if that's wrong. Or don't. Idc.

[Shadow Dancer]

BB, you are a jerk. Please tell me this is just a fail gambit and you suck... You claim because some scummy derp has nothing better to do than keep insisting on that crumb thingy?

Please make a good flavour claim now so people believe you and this whole affair is at least doing some good... If there's ever a reason for people to lynch you I don't want it to be this.

And I hope certain others finally realize where all this pointing out crumbs and rolefishing brings them.

Seriously, this just plain sucks, nothing pro-town about it, from neither one involved.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Shadow-I did. And you attacking one player for something but not attacking when another player does it is still scummy.

First of: Scummy is not

what

some one does but the

motivation

behind it and

how

they do it. It seems somehow en vogue in current site meta (or at least among way too many players) to get confused about that, but that's why so much outrageous stuff happens in games and why it's so absolutely boring and unchalenging to play scum right now (p.e. Driving Mafia).

I already pointed out that Magna's question was not rolefishing, it was a question that was clearly aimed at getting confirmable information, but would have not revealed any useful information to scum. This is in harsh contrast to what you have been doing very recently and successfully and you better answer Magna's question and some others to convince us that what you are doing has any merits.

[BBmolla]

Blame PeregrineV.

I've posted all that I was told except for my win condition, which indicates I'm town but does not explicitly say it.

[Shadow Dancer]

Yeah, I saw it in the meantime.

And my opinion is that that claim was a terrible idea to start with. There was no waggon on you, much less an L-1 with lynch thread, which would normally be the condition you'd claim under. The players actually demandig a claim where a marginal minority, and not exactly the most shining pro-town ones either. Why did you do it? And what do you think about Per pressing on the claim so hard?

[Kdub]

I also can attract people to me, but I felt that wasn't as relevent.

This looks very much like you messed up and tried to revise your claim after getting called on it. Also:

I know why but I'd have to fullclaim

all

my powers. And it'd defeat the purpose of his plan.

Whoops?

What other ways can people die? Do you think Mafia use lightsabers or something?

I have no idea, but there is no reason to assume blaster fire and force powers are the only way. Especially given that flavor name doesn't imply alignment in this game, why shouldn't mafia have someone who could use lightsabers or whatever other method to kill?

[Shmugen]

ok

@Andrius: the posts exist then... so now you can show what you are voting me for can't you?

@Shmugen: you can make a case on me also.

@SD: I am not going to be editing that Andrius wall its a mess, it could be editied to 1/4 the size easily though. You need to actually give reasons for voting me aswell


Then the three of you can tell me why you are not voting PV

Slandaar, there is little I can say on you that has not already been said. I am voting you because I hate anyone who makes ultimatums. I don't see them as pro-town in the slightest. The gamble of a 1v1 has so few positive outcomes, you see, and directing blaster fire isn't worth the complications. Far better to let scum guess about who we're trying to kill, directing it only reduces their chances for error. Anyone with a blaster will either shoot at who they think is scummiest or who they want in this game the least. Your continual attempts to lead the town are abrasive and reek of someone confident in their ability to talk their way out of being lynched after they get the town to kill off town.

I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied. Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

@PV: Regarding 334 and 336, I mentioned WC being my point of dissent, referencing that I was agreeing with Magna on most points. I don't find the behavior he was accused of scummy. I want more out of WC than review and a case on you, yes, and I'm getting a smidge of a gut read on him, but that thing is notoriously bad. I'd almost call WC town based on my small scum gut feeling on him.

@Nero Cain: It is always important to have a decent idea of the vote count before voting. It prevents errant hammer dropping and gets you a better feel of the momentum of the game, especially when vote counts are common. I seem to recall reading something about our mod being V/LA for a while, and that's fine, but I really loved the mod's attempt to have a vote count at the top of the page in the recent Pony game.

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves. I could see them perhaps missing some strange combo, but all by yourself? Really? I don't know what 'cryptic douche' things I was saying, it was quite clear. Ironically enough, BB, I think you've succeeded. I think you're town, and I think you are going to draw the night kill. The problem is your assumption that all scum kills are going to be force related. Sure, they probably had some, but now they are going to choose their non-force related kill methods. You say to blame PeregrinV, I say you have no one to blame but yourself for losing your temper. You have the scum saying this:

[DeathNote]

syndromeofadown replaces elmo. SleepyKrew has requested replacement. Vote Count when I get home to a computer, probably not till tomorrow.

[syndromeofadown]

Hey everyone. Expect a catch-up post from me within the next 24 hours after I finish reading through the thread and taking notes.

[BBmolla]

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves. I could see them perhaps missing some strange combo, but all by yourself? Really? I don't know what 'cryptic douche' things I was saying, it was quite clear. Ironically enough, BB, I think you've succeeded. I think you're town, and I think you are going to draw the night kill. The problem is your assumption that all scum kills are going to be force related. Sure, they probably had some, but now they are going to choose their non-force related kill methods. You say to blame PeregrinV, I say you have no one to blame but yourself for losing your temper. You have the scum saying this:

I have no issues with being night killed. Stops more important PRs from being killed. I don't believe i'll be killed though, too many folks are like "OMG YOU'RE LYING" for that to happen.

And I'm only unkillable if I don't use force pull.

[Shmugen]

I'm damned curious how you figure that, but it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

A welcome to syndromeofadown, good luck reading through.

[WrathChild]

Holy crud. What the hell just happened?

@BB: That was about the stupidest panic-claim I've ever seen. Anyone who hadn't figured your role out didn't deserve to be told and the person who did coerce you into claiming was the vote-leader and likely lynch for the day.

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves. I could see them perhaps missing some strange combo, but all by yourself? Really? I don't know what 'cryptic douche' things I was saying, it was quite clear. Ironically enough, BB, I think you've succeeded. I think you're town, and I think you are going to draw the night kill. The problem is your assumption that all scum kills are going to be force related. Sure, they probably had some, but now they are going to choose their non-force related kill methods. You say to blame PeregrinV, I say you have no one to blame but yourself for losing your temper. You have the scum saying this:

I have no issues with being night killed. Stops more important PRs from being killed. I don't believe i'll be killed though, too many folks are like "OMG YOU'RE LYING" for that to happen.

And I'm only unkillable if I don't use force pull.

Wait. You and your predecessor claimed one of the most powerful PRs in the game and you think there are other PRs more powerful than yours? You have no problem being NKed!? You go back and forth from being unkillable to being untargetable by force powers and blasters and back again. Before Peregrine weaseled a claim out of you I thought it was pretty obvious your slot was town, but now I have no idea because you just farmed it so hard. Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum.

[Nexus]

First off: http://www.mediafire.com/?lld0urxlw0dlg54 <-this has avatars for ease of reading.

Re-read the pre-crash stuff. Kurtis' slot, Fennin's slot were probscum.

Gonna re read this thread now and see if it changes. Anything I need to know right this second?

[Nexus]

Oh ffs. Didn't realise DN had that link in his OP.

Egg, meet my face.

[Nexus]

BB: You're saying your role would be OP for scum? It's pretty fucking OP for town too. Do not believe.

Scum: Slandaar - You're bad at defending yourself, your defence has included: MY POST COUNT IS HIGH SO I'M TOWN and I AM TOWN BELIEVE ME. Neither of those are townie.

WC: Your massive posts of post by post analysis are just filler and actually not useful. You're using them in lieu of actual scum hunting.

From my notes, the people who are top of my scumlist are: WC for his fluff, BBM, SoO based upon Foxace, Slandaar, and Schmugen based off of Kurtis. I would also support the lynches of Midnight's Sorrow and Nero.

Also somewhat unsure of ooba.

vote: Slandaar

the alternatives are WC or BBM.

[Kdub]

Hey BB, care to respond to my last post? Fennin's past scumminess and the breadcrumb thing aside, I have pointed out objective flaws in your claim.

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves. I could see them perhaps missing some strange combo, but all by yourself? Really? I don't know what 'cryptic douche' things I was saying, it was quite clear. Ironically enough, BB, I think you've succeeded. I think you're town, and I think you are going to draw the night kill.

The problem is your assumption that all scum kills are going to be force related. Sure, they probably had some, but now they are going to choose their non-force related kill methods.

You say to blame PeregrinV, I say you have no one to blame but yourself for losing your temper. You have the scum saying this:

I don't know exactly why, but this post really bugs me, particularly the bolded. It's not quite a slip, but I just don't feel that town would say this in the manner you did. I'm keeping an eye on Shmugen in the event BB flips scum.

[BBmolla]

What is there to respond to?

I also can attract people to me, but I felt that wasn't as relevent.

This looks very much like you messed up and tried to revise your claim after getting called on it. Also:

I know why but I'd have to fullclaim

all

my powers. And it'd defeat the purpose of his plan.

Whoops?

Next time I'll make sure to specific "I know why, but I'd have to fullclaim two out of my three powers, one of which is useless to the reasoning that I believe contributes to his breadcrumbing of the situation."

If you seriously think this is a slip or something you are a fool.

What other ways can people die? Do you think Mafia use lightsabers or something?

I have no idea, but there is no reason to assume blaster fire and force powers are the only way. Especially given that flavor name doesn't imply alignment in this game, why shouldn't mafia have someone who could use lightsabers or whatever other method to kill?

I don't know, it seems logical flavor wise, I can't think of any other weapons besides Blasters, Force, and Lightsabers. I guess we'll find out won't we.

[Shmugen]

Hey BB, care to respond to my last post? Fennin's past scumminess and the breadcrumb thing aside, I have pointed out objective flaws in your claim.

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves. I could see them perhaps missing some strange combo, but all by yourself? Really? I don't know what 'cryptic douche' things I was saying, it was quite clear. Ironically enough, BB, I think you've succeeded. I think you're town, and I think you are going to draw the night kill.

The problem is your assumption that all scum kills are going to be force related. Sure, they probably had some, but now they are going to choose their non-force related kill methods.

You say to blame PeregrinV, I say you have no one to blame but yourself for losing your temper. You have the scum saying this:

I don't know exactly why, but this post really bugs me, particularly the bolded. It's not quite a slip, but I just don't feel that town would say this in the manner you did. I'm keeping an eye on Shmugen in the event BB flips scum.

I say a lot of things in 'odd' ways, and believe you me, I almost wish I was scum. I think BB was one of the more powerful assets town had and he's completely outed himself due to a pretty miserable assumption he based on flavor rather than game mechanics. I'm sure the scum are incredulous at their luck. On the small off chance BB is scum, I'll feel stupid, but I doubt he'll see the morning. I do believe that there are force users and non-force users among the scum, and BB is just too dangerous to leave alive for the scum with his ability to force someone to target him.

[PeregrineV]

For you slow people, the most likely plan was like this(I haven't reread, so I'm just pulling this out of my ass.)

1. Breadcrumb Yoda
2. Have mafia notice because TOWN SHOULDN'T GIVE TWO FUCKS
3. Have mafia oanic "Omg he claimed yoda he must be powerful, kill him"
4. No night kill
5. Claim?

Probably some shit like that.

If 2, then who noticed it? Someone posted something that got Fenrin excited.

[sword_of_omens]

@Slandaar, ok let me answer a few things for you.

Or hes... scum? everyone else can see its null why not him?

yeh he could be, but i've read MOI as town..

Malees posts were just overdone for basically saying 15nulls a couple town and a couple slight scum reads.

Same place, Kurtis then jumps on and parrots your reasoning for Malee (#149)

How is this indicative of my alignment?

It is when Fennin does the exact same thing, but you call him out as scummy for it. Selective reasoning on your part?

Fennin agrees with the reasoning but was voting me. He was the one contradicting.

so people are allowed only one scumread? He's voting for you and agreeing with your logic on Malee..
Scum do bus, y'know...

I think that slot is scum. What is your point? just a little fact; she replaced out here before some other games she was in.

again, mainly weak pot-shots...replacing out does not make her scum...look at the frickin' list..almost EVERYONE has replaced out...doesn't make em all scum..

No thats part of a whole its not a 1 line they are scum due to this alone. Why are you suggesting as such? Note more likely, note how you are ridiculously stating they ARE which is clearly not what I said anyway.

from post# 136

So now we are getting somewhere, Scum are more likely to take her side because it is in principle the 'right' side. They are not going to go out on a limb on my side.
So who was on side Malee
SD/Fennin/Magna... maybe someone im forgetting

i re-read your whole post....I will concede this point to you somewhat, however, I still disagree with your reasoning behind it. You are saying that scum would ONLY side with Malee and not you. Your original attack on Malee was weak to begin with and you agree that "Malee's side" is the "right side". You're admitting that your attack on her for this is weak/wrong. Yet you are using this as one of your main points that Malee is scum.

You know I wrote a case on SD, you quoted a line from it in this post.

wow, I did not reallize that that was your whole case on SD. He thought you were lying about knowing the thread opened but he didn't vote you. Oh, And that he took Malee's side.
I honestly don't read SD as scum like you do..he's actually had some decent posts..
[quote=""Slandaar"]Now Sword, why isnt magna scum for refusing to explain SD read or drop the lurker argument? or contradict himself with the lurking argument on SD himself? Oh did that escape you? I remember you seeing it, but you told me to let it go? why should I? Magna is contradicting his own argument which he will not drop.[/quote]


why should (Magna or anyone else for that matter) have to defend SD? Let SD do it for himself..if you think SD is scum, pressure SD. As far as the lurker argument goes…Moi is pressuring you (lurking is part of it, but he's got other ammo in there as well)….when i said let the lurking issue go, I meant both sides..not just you.

I have also taken note of your contradiction you suggest I am scum not explaining WC, but not magna for not explaining SD

I thought I already clarified this..if you think someone is scum, make a case on them and pressure..we are in the business of catching scum, not catching town. Shouldn't you explain your reasoning on someone you think is scum? I would think so. Now as far as making a case on why someone is town? especially this early in the game makes no sense to do. Let the person you are making a case against defend themself..not have someone else do it for them. Take note of the actions and stances people make and then go from there...

now, gonna finish catching up from what i missed on the weekend...be back in a bit.

[Slandaar]

Well swords probably town

OK

Nexus lynch seems best

[Nexus]

Well swords probably town

OK

Nexus lynch seems best

Brilliant. Simply astounding. I am so impressed with you. I think I need to remove my scum read on you and put you straight at the top of the pro-town list.

*slow clap*

No but seriously. You spent a million pages arguing with MoI, and digging yourself into a hole, and you keep on digging.

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

WrathChild

- Ooba (L-10)

PeregrineV

- WrathChild, Slandaar, MagnaofIllusion, BBmolla (L-7)

BBmolla

- PeregrineV, 4nxi3ty, Kdub (L-8)

Elmo Teh Azn

- NeroCain (L-10)

ooba-

splitfarvle (L-10)

Slandaar

- shmugen, Shadow Dancer, Sword_of_omens, Nexus (L-7)

splitfarvle

- brizingre1 (L-10)

With 20 alive, its 11 to lynch.

~Deadline is April 13th, this Friday.~

~Hasdgfas has replaced SleepyKrew.~

[hasdgfas]

Hola everyone. I am reading up.