D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[Slandaar]

WrathChild

- Kdub, ooba (L-9)

PeregrineV

- WrathChild, Slandaar, MagnaofIllusion, BBmolla (L-7)

Slandaar

- shmugen, Shadow Dancer, Sword_of_omens (L-8)

Nexus then votes me and basically avoids PV lynch which makes no sense from town... but will also vote WC

Nexus scum

Hes the scum on my wagon here. Probably with one of SD/Shmugen.

Also should be noted Magna is voting with his top 2 scumreads. I think Magnascum WCtown PVtown

Magna/Nexus

Makes a ton of sense... explains Nexus's actions also, wants to be part of one main + the likely backup wagons ie BB/WC. It just makes no sense for town to not want a PV lynch especially when hes listed midnight as a fine lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nexus

[Kdub]

Next time I'll make sure to specific "I know why, but I'd have to fullclaim two out of my three powers, one of which is useless to the reasoning that I believe contributes to his breadcrumbing of the situation."

This isn't as ridiculous as you are trying to make it sound. If you had simply said, "I know why, but I'd have to claim", there wouldn't be an issue. However, you used the words "fullclaim" and "all". That's pretty much my point here.

If you seriously think this is a slip or something you are a fool.

I don't think it's a slip. I think it's a botched fakeclaim that you then tried to retroactively amend.

I don't know,

it seems logical flavor wise

, I can't think of any other weapons besides Blasters, Force, and

Lightsabers

. I guess we'll find out won't we.

You aren't addressing the issue. I'm claiming that it is not at all logical to think that the two things you specifically mentioned (blasters and force powers) are the only ways someone could die. The fact that you just listed "lightsabers" as another way just further shows that you were aware of other possible methods. Even if you knew nothing about Star Wars other than that it contained blasters and force powers, you still can't jump to the conclusion that there aren't other ways to kill.

I say a lot of things in 'odd' ways, and believe you me,

I almost wish I was scum.

I think BB was one of the more powerful assets town had and he's completely outed himself due to a pretty miserable assumption he based on flavor rather than game mechanics.

I'm sure the scum are incredulous at their luck.

On the small off chance BB is scum, I'll feel stupid, but I doubt he'll see the morning. I do believe that there are force users and non-force users among the scum, and BB is just too dangerous to leave alive for the scum with his ability to force someone to target him.

...yeah, this post just reinforces my earlier gut feeling.

As an aside, I have a theory that bulletproof townies (which BB isn't even really claiming) are neutral at best and possibly even hurt the town (especially in larger games), but that's a discussion for outside this game.

[Slandaar]

No but seriously. You spent a million pages arguing with MoI, and digging yourself into a hole, and you keep on digging.

Why re you voting me again? because I call myself town? oh.

[MagnaofIllusion]

The fact that only BB has bothered to comment on Peregrine’s slip makes me go hmmmm…

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I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied.

Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

Hey Shmugen … care to explain the bolded for me?

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves.

Please give me your credintials that indicate you have extensive experience balancing games here on MS to make such a statement.

I say a lot of things in 'odd' ways, and believe you me, I almost wish I was scum.

Now I have to put you in the Scum pool also Shmugen …

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there is a difference between scum tone and town tone.

scum have more of a 'lynch this scum' tendencies throughout their posts while town have more 'is this scum' tendencies.

not liking how BBmolla tries to paint PV as a rolefisher. peregrine was clearly speculating on why someone would lead D1 with an obvious breadcrumb, nothing to do with actual role information.

Moving Anxiety into my scum pool for this post.

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Meh. Fennin was barely tipping the nullscummy scales.
My games with BBMolla have both been me=town and him =scum, so I'm keeping my eye on him. The breadcrumb thing is probably one of those MD discussions.

Other than the breadcrumbing (which you suggest is a MD issue and thus possibly not a scum-tell) what about Fennin’s play said he was barely null? I don’t see anything in your ISO other than the breadcrumb element.

@MoI (re breadcrumbing) saying it doesn't make it true, and all you've done it said it. Through the whys in there and I'll listen.

If you were Town you’d have considered the whys and understood that stating them was anti-Town. Now that BBMolla has claimed I’ll actually say them –

1. VT player with a ‘Big Theme Name’ breadcrumbs said name as a means to draw a Nightkill / Block and help out Town power-roles.
2. Players with Nightkill / Targetting immunity seeking to also draw Nightkill / Blocks / other scum powers for the same reason as 1.
3. Drawing out scum-bags who aren’t thinking on a Town basis.

Possibly Fennin was trying 2, but clearly it also applied to 3 since it netted you.

@BBMolla- No one wants you claim. And I find your crumbing excuse lacking.

I don’t want you to claim but I’ll just keep repeating that I don’t find your explanations reasonable unless you claim …

PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW

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Wait. You and your predecessor claimed one of the most powerful PRs in the game and you think there are other PRs more powerful than yours? You have no problem being NKed!? You go back and forth from being unkillable to being untargetable by force powers and blasters and back again. Before Peregrine weaseled a claim out of you I thought it was pretty obvious your slot was town, but now I have no idea because you just farmed it so hard. Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum.

1. Please indicate how Information roles are not considered ‘Powerful’ and important to Town in your thinking.
2. He was Town up until a scum read of yours pushed him to claim and now you don’t know? Please explain how that makes any sense.

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BB: You're saying your role would be OP for scum? It's pretty fucking OP for town too. Do not believe.

So you are saying with theoretically (if you are Town, anyway) no idea of the set-up to make a balance judgement this is your conclusion?

[PeregrineV]

The fact that only BB has bothered to comment on Peregrine’s slip makes me go hmmmm…

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I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied.

Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

Hey Shmugen … care to explain the bolded for me?

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves.

Please give me your credintials that indicate you have extensive experience balancing games here on MS to make such a statement.

I say a lot of things in 'odd' ways, and believe you me, I almost wish I was scum.

Now I have to put you in the Scum pool also Shmugen …

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there is a difference between scum tone and town tone.

scum have more of a 'lynch this scum' tendencies throughout their posts while town have more 'is this scum' tendencies.

not liking how BBmolla tries to paint PV as a rolefisher. peregrine was clearly speculating on why someone would lead D1 with an obvious breadcrumb, nothing to do with actual role information.

Moving Anxiety into my scum pool for this post.

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Meh. Fennin was barely tipping the nullscummy scales.
My games with BBMolla have both been me=town and him =scum, so I'm keeping my eye on him. The breadcrumb thing is probably one of those MD discussions.

Other than the breadcrumbing (which you suggest is a MD issue and thus possibly not a scum-tell) what about Fennin’s play said he was barely null? I don’t see anything in your ISO other than the breadcrumb element.

Well, he was null becasue nothing stands out. At some point, someone said something and he comes out and says, look I breadcrumbed my role.
Me: "Why would you do that?"
MoI: Here's why

@MoI (re breadcrumbing) saying it doesn't make it true, and all you've done it said it. Through the whys in there and I'll listen.

If you were Town you’d have considered the whys and understood that stating them was anti-Town. Now that BBMolla has claimed I’ll actually say them –

1. VT player with a ‘Big Theme Name’ breadcrumbs said name as a means to draw a Nightkill / Block and help out Town power-roles.

So here you are saying that, using this logic, town Emperor Palantine should be breadcrumbing his ass off. You know, big theme name and all.

2. Players with Nightkill / Targetting immunity seeking to also draw Nightkill / Blocks / other scum powers for the same reason as 1.

So, he could have merely said "I'll take care of that tonight" if he wanted to "draw the NK". But that's NOT what he did.

3. Drawing out scum-bags who aren’t thinking on a Town basis.

Since I don't agree with your 1, and and think your 2 is weak, I disagree. If I thought he was all townie and scary and shit as scum, I'd just NK his ass, not muck it all up in the thread.

Possibly Fennin was trying 2, but clearly it also applied to 3 since it netted you.

@BBMolla- No one wants you claim. And I find your crumbing excuse lacking.

I don’t want you to claim but I’ll just keep repeating that I don’t find your explanations reasonable unless you claim …

PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW

No matter what I say your going to interpret it the way YOU want and then try to attribute it to me?
PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW


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Wait. You and your predecessor claimed one of the most powerful PRs in the game and you think there are other PRs more powerful than yours? You have no problem being NKed!? You go back and forth from being unkillable to being untargetable by force powers and blasters and back again. Before Peregrine weaseled a claim out of you I thought it was pretty obvious your slot was town, but now I have no idea because you just farmed it so hard. Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum.

1. Please indicate how Information roles are not considered ‘Powerful’ and important to Town in your thinking.
2. He was Town up until a scum read of yours pushed him to claim and now you don’t know? Please explain how that makes any sense.

He's probably scum.

[PeregrineV]

Hey BB, care to respond to my last post? Fennin's past scumminess and the breadcrumb thing aside, I have pointed out objective flaws in your claim.

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves. I could see them perhaps missing some strange combo, but all by yourself? Really? I don't know what 'cryptic douche' things I was saying, it was quite clear. Ironically enough, BB, I think you've succeeded. I think you're town, and I think you are going to draw the night kill.

The problem is your assumption that all scum kills are going to be force related. Sure, they probably had some, but now they are going to choose their non-force related kill methods.

You say to blame PeregrinV, I say you have no one to blame but yourself for losing your temper. You have the scum saying this:

I don't know exactly why, but this post really bugs me, particularly the bolded. It's not quite a slip, but I just don't feel that town would say this in the manner you did. I'm keeping an eye on Shmugen in the event BB flips scum.

I say a lot of things in 'odd' ways, and believe you me, I almost wish I was scum. I think BB was one of the more powerful assets town had and he's completely outed himself due to a pretty miserable assumption he based on flavor rather than game mechanics. I'm sure the scum are incredulous at their luck. On the small off chance BB is scum, I'll feel stupid, but I doubt he'll see the morning. I do believe that there are force users and non-force users among the scum, and BB is just too dangerous to leave alive for the scum with his ability to force someone to target him.

Hmmmmmm. This and the one before sends bells clanging.
Basically claiming anything about how kills can be made before they are made indicates inside knowledge. And your not only doing that, your expressing multiple kill types?

[PeregrineV]

Blame PeregrineV.

I've posted all that I was told except for my win condition, which indicates I'm town but does not explicitly say it.

PeregrineV is a fucker, except he said to not claim (making him not a fucker):

My opinion is don't claim.

So, the blame is yours, now my question is is it real or is it fake?

[Shmugen]

I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied.

Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

Hey Shmugen … care to explain the bolded for me?

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves.

Please give me your credintials that indicate you have extensive experience balancing games here on MS to make such a statement.

1. I do not understand well why people think PV is scum. I believe he may be town, but I am not opposed to changing my mind on this point later in the game. I would much rather lynch Slandaar than PV.

2. I have no experience balancing games here on MS. I think the reason games require review to be played are to catch large holes that the designer may have missed. I refuse to believe that the designer and however many reviewers the game had all missed that Yoda was unkillable. Now, bulletproof is a viable role, but to assume that a combination of powers on a single character would make someone bulletproof on day 1 without that being the stated intent of the role seems insane to me.

@PV: I always attempt to think of the possibilities. When BB claimed to be unkillable, I looked for flaws in his idea and came forward with the most likely conclusion. I am aware this walks a somewhat fine line between regular play and outguessing the mod.

[PeregrineV]

@Shadow-I did. And you attacking one player for something but not attacking when another player does it is still scummy.

First of: Scummy is not

what

some one does but the

motivation

behind it and

how

they do it. It seems somehow en vogue in current site meta (or at least among way too many players) to get confused about that, but that's why so much outrageous stuff happens in games and why it's so absolutely boring and unchalenging to play scum right now (p.e. Driving Mafia).

I already pointed out that Magna's question was not rolefishing, it was a question that was clearly aimed at getting confirmable information, but would have not revealed any useful information to scum. This is in harsh contrast to what you have been doing very recently and successfully and you better answer Magna's question and some others to convince us that what you are doing has any merits.

You better back this up.

Where did I say I wanted BBMolla's claim/role/powers/ability/mother's maiden name/anything whatsoever?

Where was I asked to claim my role/powers/abilities/name of favorite elementary school teacher/anything whatsoever?

[PeregrineV]

I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied.

Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

Hey Shmugen … care to explain the bolded for me?

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves.

Please give me your credintials that indicate you have extensive experience balancing games here on MS to make such a statement.

1. I do not understand well why people think PV is scum. I believe he may be town, but I am not opposed to changing my mind on this point later in the game. I would much rather lynch Slandaar than PV.

2. I have no experience balancing games here on MS. I think the reason games require review to be played are to catch large holes that the designer may have missed. I refuse to believe that the designer and however many reviewers the game had all missed that Yoda was unkillable. Now, bulletproof is a viable role, but to assume that a combination of powers on a single character would make someone bulletproof on day 1 without that being the stated intent of the role seems insane to me.

@PV: I always attempt to think of the possibilities. When BB claimed to be unkillable, I looked for flaws in his idea and came forward with the most likely conclusion. I am aware this walks a somewhat fine line between regular play and outguessing the mod.

In a serious way. Ewoks use spears and rocks to kill, but you never mentioned that. You speculated on scum changing their kill-type.

Do you see the difference?

[Shmugen]

I do not. In case the confusion was due to my explanation, let me try once more. Let us hypothesize there are 4 scum. Scum A and B have force-related kill flavors that BB may have been immune to, and scum C and D have kill flavors that are not force-related. By claiming, BB has eliminated the chance that scums A or B would attempt to kill him tonight and he would instead be targeted by C or D.

[hasdgfas]

This is a "as I do first read" post, skimming a lot of things.


Ok, seems like this Slandaar thing is an important part of the start of this game.
I believe the "I posted in the reboot thread and didn't check it later", because I've done the same thing he's claiming to do.
However, I also think MoI is town because of this, because this seems like the type of thing he'd jump on if he were town.

That said, I don't read anything on slandaar yet

I really want to vote Shadow Dancer for trying to bring the mod into the game to confirm/deny what someone said in thread. This is ridiculous.

ugggggh foxace lost pretty much all positive thoughts I had about him with Post 143. Just awful.

The more I see Slandaar post, the more I think he's Cassandra-ing. The fact that he seems to keep bringing up the original thing reads as a "you caught me for the wrong reasons", hence why he wants to keep bringing it up.

Peregrine is probably scum

vote: Peregrine

Regardless of the weirdness of the breadcrumb, PV's actions regarding it are incredibly scummy. He kept pushing and pushing, and there's no town reason to push like that right now.


Other scum reads:
WC

worried about:
shmugen
slandaar
Iecerint

[WrathChild]

The fact that only BB has bothered to comment on Peregrine’s slip makes me go hmmmm…

What slip are you referring to?

Wait. You and your predecessor claimed

one of the most powerful PRs in the game

and you think there are other PRs more powerful than yours? You have no problem being NKed!? You go back and forth from being unkillable to being untargetable by force powers and blasters and back again. Before Peregrine weaseled a claim out of you I thought it was pretty obvious your slot was town, but now I have no idea because you just farmed it so hard. Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum.

1. Please indicate how Information roles are not considered ‘Powerful’ and important to Town in your thinking.
2. He was Town up until a scum read of yours pushed him to claim and now you don’t know? Please explain how that makes any sense.

1. Please indicate where I said information roles are not considered powerful or important to Town. However, a Bulletproof, Untargetable, Self-Redirector is definately among "ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL PRs IN THE GAME". Another example of you misrepping me. This is actually a very scummy stab by you.
2. Wrong, if you read my summary, you'd know that I thought it was scummy when Fennin was in the slot, but when BB came in and said Fennin had a plan it was pretty obvious what that was, which made me think he was town. I don't know about him anymore because he panic-claimed far from a lynch, regardless if it was the direct result of Peregrine or not, it was still an over-eager claim. I have a really hard time telling the difference between bad and scummy play, you know this.

[WrathChild]

This is a "as I do first read" post, skimming a lot of things.


Ok, seems like this Slandaar thing is an important part of the start of this game.
I believe the "I posted in the reboot thread and didn't check it later", because I've done the same thing he's claiming to do.
However, I also think MoI is town because of this, because this seems like the type of thing he'd jump on if he were town.

That said, I don't read anything on slandaar yet

I really want to vote Shadow Dancer for trying to bring the mod into the game to confirm/deny what someone said in thread. This is ridiculous.

ugggggh foxace lost pretty much all positive thoughts I had about him with Post 143. Just awful.

The more I see Slandaar post, the more I think he's Cassandra-ing. The fact that he seems to keep bringing up the original thing reads as a "you caught me for the wrong reasons", hence why he wants to keep bringing it up.

Peregrine is probably scum

vote: Peregrine

Regardless of the weirdness of the breadcrumb, PV's actions regarding it are incredibly scummy. He kept pushing and pushing, and there's no town reason to push like that right now.


Other scum reads:
WC

worried about:
shmugen
slandaar
Iecerint

Just to clarify, you think me AND peregrine are scum?

[PeregrineV]

I do not. In case the confusion was due to my explanation, let me try once more. Let us hypothesize there are 4 scum. Scum A and B have force-related kill flavors that BB may have been immune to, and scum C and D have kill flavors that are not force-related. By claiming, BB has eliminated the chance that scums A or B would attempt to kill him tonight and he would instead be targeted by C or D.

Why speculate scum has two? Why not one for each player?

Pre-speculating before ANYTHING points to it still seems to indicate inside knowledge.

[Slandaar]

Lynching mr 6 posts been in from the start Nexus seems like the best choice at this stage.

[Shmugen]

I have none. I disagree that nothing points to my hypothesis, however, I didn't come up with it all willy-nilly.

Step 1: BBmolla claims to be unkillable
Step 2: His reasoning seems to be based on being immune to force things
Step 3: I think a character wouldn't be bulletproof without that being explicitly written in the role, at which point BBmolla wouldn't have doubt.
Step 4: As he must be wrong in this hypothesis, scum must have ways of killing that don't involve force.
Step 5: End

[hasdgfas]

This is a "as I do first read" post, skimming a lot of things.


Ok, seems like this Slandaar thing is an important part of the start of this game.
I believe the "I posted in the reboot thread and didn't check it later", because I've done the same thing he's claiming to do.
However, I also think MoI is town because of this, because this seems like the type of thing he'd jump on if he were town.

That said, I don't read anything on slandaar yet

I really want to vote Shadow Dancer for trying to bring the mod into the game to confirm/deny what someone said in thread. This is ridiculous.

ugggggh foxace lost pretty much all positive thoughts I had about him with Post 143. Just awful.

The more I see Slandaar post, the more I think he's Cassandra-ing. The fact that he seems to keep bringing up the original thing reads as a "you caught me for the wrong reasons", hence why he wants to keep bringing it up.

Peregrine is probably scum

vote: Peregrine

Regardless of the weirdness of the breadcrumb, PV's actions regarding it are incredibly scummy. He kept pushing and pushing, and there's no town reason to push like that right now.


Other scum reads:
WC

worried about:
shmugen
slandaar
Iecerint

Just to clarify, you think me AND peregrine are scum?

Yep.

[Shadow Dancer]

Peegrine, are you really serious? All that you have to provide is specualtion with abysmal logic about why some one crumbed on page 1?
In your next post I want to hear something else from you. What else did you consider scummy in this game? Who else than BB is possible scum ion your eyes?

Oh, and please, every one else stop the useless setup speculation too. None of us has nearly enough information to judge plausibility of any claims at the moment and I'd prefer to keep it this way, everything else will just help scum.

Hi, hasdf...

[BBmolla]

This isn't as ridiculous as you are trying to make it sound. If you had simply said, "I know why, but I'd have to claim", there wouldn't be an issue. However, you used the words "fullclaim" and "all". That's pretty much my point here.

Nope, there would be an issue, because you'd say "WAIT YOU HAVE NO ROLE NAME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN CLAIM? WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY CLAIM YOUR POWERS? BOTCHED FAKE CLAIM GG WP NO RE"

MoI I love you, you're like a glimpse of sanity within this game.

Shmugen remember that my immunity to blaster fire is an active. So it only works if I don't use force pull.

[PeregrineV]

This isn't as ridiculous as you are trying to make it sound. If you had simply said, "I know why, but I'd have to claim", there wouldn't be an issue. However, you used the words "fullclaim" and "all". That's pretty much my point here.

Nope, there would be an issue, because you'd say "WAIT YOU HAVE NO ROLE NAME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN CLAIM? WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY CLAIM YOUR POWERS? BOTCHED FAKE CLAIM GG WP NO RE"

MoI I love you, you're like a glimpse of sanity within this game.

Shmugen remember that my immunity to blaster fire is an active. So it only works if I don't use force pull.

Did you find out what caused Fenrin to spill his guts?

[BBmolla]

This isn't as ridiculous as you are trying to make it sound. If you had simply said, "I know why, but I'd have to claim", there wouldn't be an issue. However, you used the words "fullclaim" and "all". That's pretty much my point here.

Nope, there would be an issue, because you'd say "WAIT YOU HAVE NO ROLE NAME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN CLAIM? WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY CLAIM YOUR POWERS? BOTCHED FAKE CLAIM GG WP NO RE"

MoI I love you, you're like a glimpse of sanity within this game.

Shmugen remember that my immunity to blaster fire is an active. So it only works if I don't use force pull.

Did you find out what caused Fenrin to spill his guts?

You'll need to quote, I didn't bother reading what Fennin did, scumhunting off of what's happening now seems to be working goodenough for me.

[PeregrineV]

Peegrine, are you really serious? All that you have to provide is specualtion with abysmal logic about why some one crumbed on page 1?
In your next post I want to hear something else from you.

What else did you consider scummy in this game?

Who else than BB is possible scum ion your eyes?

Oh, and please, every one else stop the useless setup speculation too. None of us has nearly enough information to judge plausibility of any claims at the moment and I'd prefer to keep it this way, everything else will just help scum.

Hi, hasdf...

Your attribution of scum motives to me and town motives to others for the same activity.

BB might be scum, I haven't decided yet. Still suspicious of WC, you, Shmugen, Slandaar (just because), and most of the minimalist posters.

[PeregrineV]

For you slow people, the most likely plan was like this(I haven't reread, so I'm just pulling this out of my ass.)

1. Breadcrumb Yoda
2. Have mafia notice because TOWN SHOULDN'T GIVE TWO FUCKS
3. Have mafia oanic "Omg he claimed yoda he must be powerful, kill him"
4. No night kill
5. Claim?

Probably some shit like that.

If 2, then who noticed it? Someone posted something that got Fenrin excited.

What about the plan you inherited/figured out?

[splitfarvle]

Ok, 2nd try:
Wc's case on PereV actually looks fairly solid, could quite easily imagine him as scum
This post looks ridiculosuly scummy: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3948833

Hello all. I've just read up from the post-crash on, I'll get to the precrash when I can.

ooba strikes me as the scummiest player so far. His list of town and scum players is next to useless because there's very little reasoning. He voted WC, unvoted, and voted WC again which strikes me as someone who isn't actually paying attention and is just being opportunistic. He puts more effort into reiterating things that have been said and being helpful than scumhunting.

VOTE: ooba

Firstly, if you're going to vote someone based on giving very little reasoning behind their reads, you could vote at least half of the people in the game, just look at Iecerint's post which is the one above this (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3948768), quite frankly I cant work out why you're focussing so hard on ooba, who posted quite a lot of reasoning in the posts preceding his 'reads' post (which for the record is here:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p3948001).

Your ooba voting WC case also falls apart because

DN reset the votes

meaning he had to vote WC again.

You seem to be massively reaching in a fairly scummy way:

VOTE:splitfarvle

And the sword of omnes slot is starting to seem more town now, his reasoning in general seems sound

Swinging back and forth on Slandaar atm, need to reread him and see what comes up.

Chainsaw much? Iso ooba's posts and tell me you seriously believe there's scumhunting there. There's no reasoning for his scumpicks in the post you cited, but there is reasoning for the players he wouldn't vote for i.e. buddying. ooba strikes me as someone who is posting just to post, wanting a presence in the thread without ruffling too many feathers. Parroting others on WC seems like safe play designed to not draw attention.

@splitfarvle
brizingre's #368 is a great reply to all your points. Just adding one more point:
- A Town\Scum list is not not-content. You know my thoughts on every single player in the game. After a few flips, it becomes relatively easy to see my thoughts on that slot.
- Let's compare my list with your post. Your give your (faulty) reasoning and vote me. However, I have no idea what you think about WC, BB, Slan, Per or any of the other top suspects.

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@Shmugen - Haven't seen anything which made me go "Town" but very logical and not afraid to express his opinions. Keep it up.

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@Slan - The arrange blasterfire beforehand thing is a bad idea.

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@BB

I have an active that deflects blaster shots and a passive that renders force powers useless.

Flavor names for the abilities?

His latest post, where he's still not scumhunting, and defends his weak list as somehow contributing. Yes, a list can be useful, but actually pressuring players based on your reads is much more town. Scum can post any list they want, especially ones that don't actually say anything.