D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[Shadow Dancer]

PLease, guys, öearn to post in a way that's not 90% some one else's quoted content

[Shadow Dancer]

Please, guys, learn to post in a way that's not 90% some one else's quoted content

[PeregrineV]

So unless it's on page 5 or 7, here is the first mention I find.

Post #211 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:08 pm

Just lost a message I was typing and I'm pissed so I'll do without the quotes WC & Ooba.

WC : I didn't think it was a slip, I took it as a joke. But I agree that it you think someone slipped, you have to put some pressure. I admit that my read on you is harsh, you don't deserve to be my top scumread right now. Still, it felt a little bit forced.

Ooba : I have a leaning town read on Andrius, yes. It's my first impression, but he didn't post much. Leaning town doesn't mean strong town read.

Slandaar : So you still don't get it ? Here it is. (I'll have to quote on this)

In post 23, Fennin wrote:I'm awesome because I'm the one who got that avatar idea going

Done!
Alright then, Malee does that mean I'm scum?
Got to use the power our mod gives us, don't you think? :p
On the other hand, I agree that it can quickly become flood.
But that's why I'm using it now instead of later when it will get more serious.µ
And may I ask what your avatar was?
Hell yeah! let's get this game started.

In post 88, Malee wrote:By the way, I've at least seen 2 or 3 character breadcrumbs. What's the point of doing that since alignments are random and not based on the show movies?

[syndromeofadown]

I promised a catch up post within 24 hours, but I have to go to class now. I've done read up on everything I just got to work on formatting it all into something readable for you guys, I might work on it in class I might not, just give me a few hours to sort everything out. Just a warning so you guys don't get all butthurt about it.

For anyone curious, my scumreads are MoI, hasdfdg, BBmolla, ShadowDancer, and brizingre, probably in that order.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So here you are saying that, using this logic, town Emperor Palantine should be breadcrumbing his ass off. You know, big theme name and all.

Charming attempt to say that I was advocating a position where players MUST do something when I said nothing of the sort. And by charming I mean scummy.

If Palpentine (or whatever his name is) was a Town VT or Nightkill / Action immune role then breadcruming it could be a good move. Since he’s Town the scum know he is (barring some sort of Serial Killer / Multi-scum set-up) and thus may decide to use some actions / a kill on him that could fail / protect other Town players.

It is necessary? Of course not. Some of us have no problem drawing kills / actions as VTs. But once again - you lack of understanding of the Town perspective speaks volumes.

He could have merely said "I'll take care of that tonight" if he wanted to "draw the NK". But that's NOT what he did.

So what? That means his reaction is bad not scummy.

Since I don't agree with your 1, and and think your 2 is weak, I disagree. If I thought he was all townie and scary and shit as scum, I'd just NK his ass, not muck it all up in the thread.

Does NO U usually work for you? I’ll be frank – I don’t buy your WIFOM about what scum Peregrine would and wouldn’t do. The fact that you don’t find ANYTHING else about Fennin’s play anything but Null but pushed scummily on the breadcrumb issue means you need to die.

No matter what I say your going to interpret it the way YOU want and then try to attribute it to me?

Yup, the good old “Can’t Win, Will Not Try” defense.

Eat rope.

Basically claiming anything about how kills can be made before they are made indicates inside knowledge. And your not only doing that, your expressing multiple kill types?

Just like making arguments revolving around you ‘not making sense’ as someone’s Partner before N1 even falls. Town doesn’t know if we are Mutli-scum / Mafia and SK.

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1. I do not understand well why people think PV is scum. I believe he may be town, but I am not opposed to changing my mind on this point later in the game. I would much rather lynch Slandaar than PV.

Yeah, I completely botched that read of what you were trying to say. Makes sense when you spelled it out here.

I have no experience balancing games here on MS. I think the reason games require review to be played are to catch large holes that the designer may have missed. I refuse to believe that the designer and however many reviewers the game had all missed that Yoda was unkillable. Now, bulletproof is a viable role, but to assume that a combination of powers on a single character would make someone bulletproof on day 1 without that being the stated intent of the role seems insane to me.

Then you don’t honestly know what you are talking about then when you are discussing it ‘slipping by reviewers’. I’ve been a role (wiped out by Tiger Attack) that was completely immune to all actions at Night if I chose and was Town. In fact it was even more powerful than that but that element alone shows that your understanding of what is reasonably possible in a set-up is flawed.

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What slip are you referring to?

The slip I pointed out in Post 395. Simply skimming my posts to see when I address you Wrath?

1. Please indicate where I said information roles are not considered powerful or important to Town. However, a Bulletproof, Untargetable, Self-Redirector is definately among "ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL PRs IN THE GAME". Another example of you misrepping me. This is actually a very scummy stab by you.

In your flurry of questions you said –

You and your predecessor claimed one of the most powerful PRs in the game and you think there are other PRs more powerful than yours?

The implication is clear as fucking day that he shouldn’t think there are other roles more powerful than his. Information roles are incredibly powerful and it makes logical sense for a player, from a Town perspective, to have formulated a plan to draw NK / Blocks with his claimed role to free up possible investigation roles to do their thing.

So no, the scummy play is squarely in your court.

2. Wrong, if you read my summary, you'd know that I thought it was scummy when Fennin was in the slot, but when BB came in and said Fennin had a plan it was pretty obvious what that was, which made me think he was town. I don't know about him anymore because he panic-claimed far from a lynch, regardless if it was the direct result of Peregrine or not, it was still an over-eager claim. I have a really hard time telling the difference between bad and scummy play, you know this.

Are you referring to your long IoA ‘summaries’ that I found to be very vague and fence-sitty? Yeah, I read those. Your point?

You are flip-flopping back and forth on the issue like a fish out of water. First Fennin is scummy but then BB was likely Town but now you don’t know whether he is bad or scum.

Just to clarify, you think me AND peregrine are scum?

Why can’t you be?

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Chainsaw much? Iso ooba's posts and tell me you seriously believe there's scumhunting there. There's no reasoning for his scumpicks in the post you cited, but there is reasoning for the players he wouldn't vote for i.e. buddying. ooba strikes me as someone who is posting just to post, wanting a presence in the thread without ruffling too many feathers. Parroting others on WC seems like safe play designed to not draw attention.

Have you ever played with Town ooba before? And use of Chainsaw before any alignment flips noted.

[Slandaar]

OK let me explain Nexus scum in more detail

Nexus say I am scum for not answering questions and calling myself town. Now, the benefits to doing this as scum are? that I draw attention and annoy the people who's questions I don't answer? doesn't seem very beneficial to me as scum does it... at best this makes his voting reason null but Anti-town I can accept.

OK, so now we know hes voting me on anti-town grounds, who has been the most anti-town player in this game? oh right Nexus mr 6 posts seems quite the hypocritical vote. I have posted content, what has he done?

Nexus is scum

If im wrong and hes just voting me because I call myself town literally... I mean just vote the guy either way hes scum.

[4nxi3ty]

Chainsaw much? Iso ooba's posts and tell me you seriously believe there's scumhunting there. There's no reasoning for his scumpicks in the post you cited, but there is reasoning for the players he wouldn't vote for i.e. buddying. ooba strikes me as someone who is posting just to post, wanting a presence in the thread without ruffling too many feathers. Parroting others on WC seems like safe play designed to not draw attention.

Have you ever played with Town ooba before? And use of Chainsaw before any alignment flips noted.

I find town are more likely to inaccurately use the term chainsaw. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen scum use that term; than again, maybe I haven't played long enough.

there is a difference between scum tone and town tone.

scum have more of a 'lynch this scum' tendencies throughout their posts while town have more 'is this scum' tendencies.

not liking how BBmolla tries to paint PV as a rolefisher. peregrine was clearly speculating on why someone would lead D1 with an obvious breadcrumb, nothing to do with actual role information.

Moving Anxiety into my scum pool for this post.

unvote,vote: Andrius

[WrathChild]

@MoI:

1. Post 395 "Slip": I didn't know what the slip was, that's why I asked.
2. The implication!? I said ONE of the most powerful PRs, IMPLYING that there are MORE THAN ONE powerful PRs, which his surely is ONE OF. You are smoking crack and make no sense. The fact that you are even arguing this is mind-blowing.
3. How hard is it to believe that my read-progression on Fennin/BB goes as follows:

-I think Fennin is slightly scummy
-Tiger Attack
-BB Replaces in
-BB clarifies what Fennin was doing (subtly)
-I think Fennin/BB Slot is probably town
-BB panic claims with like 4 votes or something
-I think that is slightly scummy
-I am slightly confused.

The fact that you call that flip flopping is stupid. Things happened, when things happen, reads can change. Oh I forgot, once you think someone is scum, you can never think otherwise, right MoI?

4. Me and Peregrine scumbuddies?: I just thought it was pretty clear that we wanted each other dead and when whats-his-face came in and suggested it I was a bit surprised and asked him to clarify.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Slandaar’s Post 480 can be summed up as “Nexus is voting me so he’s scum”.

Ooba and Andrius have their Town reads revoked and are now classified as Null reads.

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unvote,vote: Andrius

Um, whut? Your reaction to being put in my scum suspects pool is to vote Andrius?

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1. Post 395 "Slip": I didn't know what the slip was, that's why I asked.

And now you’ve been directly linked to my pointing it out and don’t comment at all ...

2. The implication!? I said ONE of the most powerful PRs, IMPLYING that there are MORE THAN ONE powerful PRs, which his surely is ONE OF. You are smoking crack and make no sense. The fact that you are even arguing this is mind-blowing.

Then what exactly is the point of ‘calling BB out’ with all the questions then if you are not disagreeing with the premise of what would be his Town reason for his slot’s breadcrumb. You are ‘confused’ but the fact remains it makes logical sense for Fennin to have crumbed as he did with that claimed role to ‘protect’ other Town power-roles and little sense as scum to have crumbed Yoda given the oft-quoted Mod rule regarding alignment.

The fact that you call that flip flopping is stupid. Things happened, when things happen, reads can change. Oh I forgot, once you think someone is scum, you can never think otherwise, right MoI?

1. Oh certainly reads can changed. Either because Town gets new information or scum is forced to move stances. Using that as a defense doesn’t really apply.
2. More undermining and insulting language noted. If you’d like to point to where I said anything to that effect be free to link there. Otherwise this is just you misrepping my position. Your play has been suspect and scummy this game. I suspect you. Later events in the game may change that read.

4. Me and Peregrine scumbuddies?: I just thought it was pretty clear that we wanted each other dead and when whats-his-face came in and suggested it I was a bit surprised and asked him to clarify.

A ring-a-ding Wrath makes the exact same slip as Peregrine.

[Slandaar]

doesnt seem like a slip to me

[WrathChild]

@MoI: I have no idea what you're talking about as far as a slip goes. I didn't in the first post and I didn't in my post and I still don't now.

Where did I call BB out with all these questions?

"1. Oh certainly reads can changed. Either because Town gets new information or scum is forced to move stances. Using that as a defense doesn’t really apply."
-So you attacked me for flip flopping, but as you say here town or scum can change stances, so you're attacking me for something town or scum can do.

"2. More undermining and insulting language noted. If you’d like to point to where I said anything to that effect be free to link there. Otherwise this is just you misrepping my position. Your play has been suspect and scummy this game. I suspect you. Later events in the game may change that read."
-All game you have had one set of reads and basically stuck to them, then you accuse me of flip flopping. I don't think I've seen you once this game change a read based on events, it's almost like you're avoiding it.

[sword_of_omens]

Where is Iece? i do not like him this quiet...at all

@Slandaar...just so i'm on the same page as you..you're top scum reads are : SD, MOI....and now Nexus?

@MOI , i might have missed it, but where exactly did Andy ping some bad juju for you?

@BB you should have left it alone right here:

He didn't leave anything for me, it's just pretty obvious for me to see what he was trying to accomplish.

that was plenty....

[Nero Cain]

If we decide to start a wagon on me, let me claim what I can do as Yoda so I can shut that wagon down swiftly.

Why are you so afraid of being wagoned?

And for some reason I seem to be not voting... And why isn't there a big fat lynch waggon on slandaar yet?

vote Slan

Magna made a lot of a very sheepable case against him already, even more than I would ever care to make normally. But I might get nitpicky and point out some more things when I have time if this waggon isn't getting momentum still.

just to clarify...you are agreeing with MOI's case correct?

I would much rather lynch Slandaar than PV.

Why Slandaar instead of WC?

Ok, seems like this Slandaar thing is an important part of the start of this game.
I believe the "I posted in the reboot thread and didn't check it later", because I've done the same thing he's claiming to do.
However, I also think MoI is town because of this, because this seems like the type of thing he'd jump on if he were town.

That said, I don't read anything on slandaar yet

I don't get it. Why do you think its so important? You have a town read on Slandaar?

Other scum reads:
WC

worried about:
shmugen
slandaar
Iecerint

Can you explain why WC is a scum read but Shmugen, SlaanDaar and Ieceprint are not scum reads? And Why is SD and Foxace not on that list after you mentioned them?

[Nero Cain]

I'd be happy with any of cow, WC, Slandaar lynches today.

vote:WC

[Iecerint]

Where is Iece? i do not like him this quiet...at all

Iecerint has trouble getting excited about this game. Whenever Iecerint thinks about posting, Iecerint discounts those feelings by the risk of PR violation and posts elsewhere.

This is a bad habit. Iecerint will try to do better.

Iecerint might ordinarily replace out, but Iecerint does not want to put DeathNote or the other players through keeping track of yet-another replacement. Iecerint already can't keep them straight. <_<

[hasdgfas]

4. Me and Peregrine scumbuddies?: I just thought it was pretty clear that we wanted each other dead and when whats-his-face came in and suggested it I was a bit surprised and asked him to clarify.

Beautiful. Two scum confirmed, thanks WC.

[Nero Cain]

Me and WC are scum but lets lynch PV in an attempt to clear WC.

FIFTY!!!

[Slandaar]

How is this indicative of my alignment?

It is when Fennin does the exact same thing, but you call him out as scummy for it. Selective reasoning on your part?

Fennin agrees with the reasoning but was voting me. He was the one contradicting.

so people are allowed only one scumread? He's voting for you and agreeing with your logic on Malee..

Scum do bus, y'know...

OK Sword let me show you something

I am town, therefore, I know Fennin isnt bussing me. He looked like scum from my pov. Either way from your pov where you dont know that, you should vote him over me as its clearly more indicative of his alignment than mine.

Do you disagree?

[hasdgfas]

Other scum reads:
WC

worried about:
shmugen
slandaar
Iecerint

Can you explain why WC is a scum read but Shmugen, SlaanDaar and Ieceprint are not scum reads? And Why is SD and Foxace not on that list after you mentioned them?

They're more "leaning scum" reads if you want an actual phrase.

SD and foxace are not on the list because I'm neutral on them. Mentioning them during my catch up post doesn't mean anything. They're just things I felt worth mentioning as I caught up.

Me and WC are scum but lets lynch PV in an attempt to clear WC.

FIFTY!!!

I'm just noting this because it's completely ridiculous since I ALREADY SAID I THINK WC AND PV ARE BOTH SCUM.

[Nero Cain]

so why not vote WC?

[BBmolla]

@BB you should have left it alone right here:

He didn't leave anything for me, it's just pretty obvious for me to see what he was trying to accomplish.

that was plenty....

If so, ask Peregrine why he kept fishing.

[BBmolla]

Why are you so afraid of being wagoned?

I thought we were near deadline when I posted(3-4 days). Deadline lynches suck balls. I could be wrong.

[hasdgfas]

so why not vote WC?

Because I was more confident in my Peregrine vote when I voted. I'm ok with lynching either of the two if it comes down to that.

[PeregrineV]

@BB you should have left it alone right here:

He didn't leave anything for me, it's just pretty obvious for me to see what he was trying to accomplish.

that was plenty....

If so, ask Peregrine why he kept fishing.

"Why did you do A" is not the same as "what can you do?", and you know it.
And your supposed to be investigating the person who first mentioned it, because scum notices breadcrumbs and care (right MoI?).
Once you've done all that, get back to me.

[MagnaofIllusion]

And your supposed to be investigating the person who first mentioned it, because scum notices breadcrumbs and care (right MoI?).

Scum caring are the people who kept making it an issue (like yourself).

My vote is in a good place.