NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[Nero Cain]

your tunnel goggles are faulty. I suggest writing the manufacturer and demanding a refund/replacement.

[HezLucky]

your tunnel goggles are faulty. I suggest writing the manufacturer and demanding a refund/replacement.

Dear Nero,

Why would you sell me a pair of goggles that you knew to be faulty?

You must be up to no good.

HEZ

[Nero Cain]

shhhhhhhh!!!!!

[HezLucky]

And to think this could have all been avoided had you simply wavred.

Instead, I will not waver.

[NihilisticNinja]

He asked why a shotty lynch was even being considered, I told him that he was a VI and that he was hard to read ergo I'm not going to miss him if he does end up being lynched (though I doubt he will} so I'm not sure what question thats not being answered.

The question that's not being answered is WHY he's a VI. WHY you're pushing so hard for this policy lynch. I'm trying to force you out of cruise control. It's a nulltell that you want shotty lynched- you said you did pregame. What may NOT be is the fact that I keep pressuring you to explain how shotty is a VI and thus should be policy lynched, and you keep giving me default responses.

Here's what a good response would have been:
"In TV Mafia he was awful as scum. In Newbie 1081 he argued that a LaL policy, an extremely common one on MS, was a "scumslip". He is a VI, and the town would not lose anything from being rid of him."

Lambda's "Just take a look at a few of his games in ISO, NN." Isn't great, but acceptable.

Your "He should be policy lynched because he's a VI. He's a VI because argumentum ad populum." is not acceptable. Your "VIs make great wagons" is opportunistic as hell, and your explanation is not good enough. I actually KNEW why a shotty policy lynch was on the table- I wanted to know why the advocates were pushing for it.

Your push back against me for wanting an explanation is noted as well.

In sum, I have read your newsletter and even agree with it, but the way you are selling it to me makes me want to not subscribe.

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I can explain why someone is a vi. Once again, and you seem to be ignoring this, I was not the one to bring up a Shotty pl nor did I ever say that I wanted to lynch him and only him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think I can explain why someone is a vi. Once again, and you seem to be ignoring this, I was not the one to bring up a Shotty pl nor did I ever say that I wanted to lynch him and only him.

What

[Nero Cain]

He wants me to explain why people are VIs. Yeah I don't get it.

[NihilisticNinja]

He wants me to explain why people are VIs. Yeah I don't get it.

If I were to exchange "why" for "how", would that make it clearer? Thought the context in that last post would make it clear what I meant- apologies if it didn't.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He wants me to explain why people are VIs. Yeah I don't get it.

If I were to exchange "why" for "how", would that make it clearer? Thought the context in that last post would make it clear what I meant- apologies if it didn't.

No, you were clear.

Nero's being oddly obtuse.

[drmyshotgun]

To destroy all premises presented above: I'm not a fool. I am certainly not silent.
Anyone keen for some random questions? I do them all the time, but in a game this big, don't think its such a good idea.

So what were you saying in #27 then? Break it down for me.

Was trying to defend my sig

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm not scum, someone else is. Case closed we aren't PL'ing me today.
Now Nero why are you attempting to be so separated from the idea displayed in your following post?

I don't think I can explain why someone is a vi. Once again, and you seem to be ignoring this, I was not the one to bring up a Shotty pl nor did I ever say that I wanted to lynch him and only him.

No one directly accused you of these things. Does someone have a guilty conscience?
Also is it so hard to provide a link? It's obvious that the 2 year old was asking for an example not a role summary, there are plenty of games in which I played awfully that you could have linked.

So what I gather form all this is that, either
A) you know something that the rest of us don't, and you are town, why?:
1. I know you don't like me
2. I know you are down to PL me
3. You have tools available to help push a PL on me
4. You used none of those tools
or,
B) You are mafia and know that I am town, but don't want to seem over eager to lynch someone, why?:
1. You made no clear judgement call on the issue
2. You didn't push for the PL, but you kept the talk about it going
3. You made it very clear that this wasn't your idea, almost as if you know I am town, there for don't want the blame for a mislynch put upon yourself.

Personally I think it's B

[HezLucky]

Nero's being oddly

obtuse

mafia.

fixed.

[Maxous]

how is ninja already buddying lambda before the game starts.

In what way exactly?
This confused me.

b/c Vi's are hard to read....

why are you taking this so personally?

I agree this question is a bit odd.
Nero, what were you trying to gain with this question?

[rack]

NN: Why push others for answers when you could just as easily research yourself? Why are you trying to make others do your work for you?

LLD: You're being oddly passive. Why?

mastin: Why choose now to re-invent yourself?

Nero: Move on. Choose a different bone to pick.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

NN: Why push others for answers when you could just as easily research yourself? Why are you trying to make others do your work for you?

LLD: You're being oddly passive. Why?

mastin: Why choose now to re-invent yourself?

Nero: Move on. Choose a different bone to pick.

Are you dense?

First off, I'm not being Passive. Questioning and Passive are not the same. For passive, go see Stranger Coug's play.

Secondly, I'd be voting right now, except, you know, we can't.

Finally, show me an example of me being passive. This is a buzzword you've thrown out there, so I want substantiation or you die.

[NihilisticNinja]

NN: Why push others for answers when you could just as easily research yourself? Why are you trying to make others do your work for you?

rack- see previous post, where I cited two examples of VI behavior from shotty. I did actually understand the case for calling him a VI. I wanted the people who were actually arguing for the lynch to make a case for it as well. The burden of proof was on them, after all. That's like if somebody posted "Let's speedlynch rack" and I asked why they wanted to speedlynch you, and they responded "go look at his posts yourself. I'm not going to do the work for you."

Pushing people for explanations for votes/suspicions is a key part of Mafia- you want to examine their motivations and determine whether or not they are genuine.

[redFF]

Honestly a shotty pl is beneficial for a number of reasons.

1. He's a VI.
2. He's annoying.
3. He could be scum.
4. We have a duty to the site as a whole to do it, if he keeps getting lynched day 1 of every game he might leave.

[scooby]

Confirm

[Candy Corn Vampire]

how is ninja already buddying lambda before the game starts.

In what way exactly?
This confused me.

It was a joke. He was defending her statements for her.

This being said, Ninja, he's bad. Like, just ISO him and read a few of his games and you'll see that he's bad.

can you explain this dear? is he an alt?

Policy lynching is boring. and rack is pretty scummy.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

and drmy no rqs whatsoever. especially how you do it.

[Kublai Khan]

@Junpei - Why encourage mastin2 to be less forthcoming with his thoughts?

@Nero Cain - Can you seriously not provide a single game example to back up your argument that drmyshottyizsik is a VI? Why are you deflecting the burden of proof on someone else after you made the argument?

@Lady Lambdadelta - All my early reads are purely gut. When I read their posts I made an instant judgement on call as to whether the it read ginuwine or if it seemed calculated. It's also very possible to believe someone is town even if you disagree with them.

Do you want more elaboration than that?

@rack - what's your read on Nero Cain?

@Candy Corn Vampire - Why is rack scummiest at the moment?

[Candy Corn Vampire]

NN: Why push others for answers when you could just as easily research yourself? Why are you trying to make others do your work for you?

LLD: You're being oddly passive. Why?

mastin: Why choose now to re-invent yourself?

Nero: Move on. Choose a different bone to pick.

Noodle strategy, esp boring noodle strategy. These questions don't really need answers and more amount to him trying to think of things to say rather that saying things he thinks needed to be said. Rack, are you an alt? and alt of who?

[NihilisticNinja]

Red, CCV, Maxous, shotgun- what is your current read on Nero?

[Kublai Khan]

Noodle strategy, esp boring noodle strategy. These questions don't really need answers and more amount to him trying to think of things to say rather that saying things he thinks needed to be said. Rack, are you an alt? and alt of who?

Oh, okay. Taking you off the scumlist then.