NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[rack]

KK: Nero is currently null-leaning-scum.

CCV: Please. We're just getting started. And we're a hydra, which you obviously missed in the signup thread. Please pay more attention in the future.

LLD: no u

[NihilisticNinja]

KK: Nero is currently null-leaning-scum.

Why?

LLD: no u

Should we take that to mean that you didn't have any reasons to call Lambda passive?

[Candy Corn Vampire]

And we're a hydra, which you obviously missed in the signup thread. Please pay more attention in the future.

nice . Whose?

NN: He's pretty into PLing but I don't think it's because of alignment. He showed similar intentions in the queue before he received a pm.

[Pine]

Nihilistic Ninja and Mastin strike me as Town.

The people suspicious of him because of his recent re-invention of himself immediately have my suspicion, particularly LLD and rack. Seriously, people? He was doing this before the role PMs went out. This is public knowledge. LLD at least is not an idiot, and knows this, rack is presumably a hydra that contains someone who is not an idiot. Given this, their weak-ass spat with each other ("Passive"? Really?) looks like distancing. I'll be voting for one of them when the game officially starts.

I get weak Townreads out of Maxous, Nero Cain, and KK too.

[redFF]

hydra declare your heads please ASAP, and sign each post with the name of the head that wrote it.

[Pine]

I'd say Redscum for that, but he's just normally that way

[The Mini-Librarian]

Holy fuck. I want Rack to die a painful death immediately. (their first content post is easily the scummiest thing in thread)

I also would like scooby to die. (confirm without content? :/)

[Pine]

Technically, confirm is all we're

supposed

to be doing right now. Seems unreasonable to hold that against scooby

[Candy Corn Vampire]

wow tml.

[The Mini-Librarian]

Why? There was a good page and a half of actual content when he came in. Is he supposed to just ignore that?

p-edit: *eyebrow*

[NihilisticNinja]

Holy fuck. I want Rack to die a painful death immediately. (their first content post is easily the scummiest thing in thread)

I also would like scooby to die. (confirm without content? :/)

Actually, reading it again... yeah. That post is pretty awful. No reads, with three incredibly weak questions that won't provide any information that really seems like it could generate a read, two of them feeling like they're passively attacking two of the people who are attacking Nero Cain, whom apparently rack has a slight scum read on, and yet doesn't press Nero in any way in the original post, and then doesn't actually follow up on the two questions that are answered.

And while I like the pressure Lambda exerted on Nero, her reason for her Mastin read was pretty weaksauce, and this feels a bit weird to me:

I honestly wouldn't mind a Mastin lynch right now, because he's playing up this whole "new me" thing, and it's out of character. Almost like he's compensating for something...

mastin2 could be town. Time will tell. I'm in no rush to lynch him. He'll slip up later if he's scum.

Nero Cain, drmyshotgun, & Maxous are earlytown.

Candy Corn Vampire has some bad mojo going on. Not a fan of vijay2vasandani either.

P. Edit - Good feelings on HezLucky. He's wrong though.

Once again, elaborate. Mastin2 thing is fine.

If you feel that Mastin is a good lynch candidate, why is KK's early weak null/town read on him "fine"?

[redFF]

Pine always thinks I'm scum

[Pine]

I'm trying not to be so biased against you, but from my perspective, I don't really care who the heads are, so you giving them a hard time about it strikes me as off. But then again, you're kinda off in general, so meh.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

overselling your reads, esp on someone who hasn't posted content? I have a great distaste for people who go after them first.

And if there's actual good content going around, tell us your other reads.

[Pine]

^Add a weak Townread to CCV for this post.

[redFF]

<3
I consider looking at different hydra heads separately as pretty essential to reading a hydra tbh, and meta is also helpful. So yeah hydra declare heads or I vote you after we kill shotty.

[Pine]

No. Here's the thing, Red. When people make hydras and decide to keep the heads hidden, they usually do it before they get their role PMs. It's not actually scummy to keep them hidden, they usually just want to try some new things and not be burdened by their history and preconceived notions of their meta. Give them a break; I've been falsely accused in a hidden Town hydra, simply because we didn't want to reveal. It's really frustrating.

[The Mini-Librarian]

overselling your reads, esp on someone who hasn't posted content? I have a great distaste for people who go after them first.

And if there's actual good content going around, tell us your other reads.

OK. First off I'm not gonna tiptoe around my scum reads. I'm gonna say they're scum and that they deserve death. Secondly, I see no town motivation for what scooby did, while I see scum motivation. Thirdly, I want Rack dead today anyway.

As for other reads:

townish-
NN
CCV
Pine
KK

that's it for now.

[Pine]

Confirm

Seriously? You see

motivation

in this? He simply confirmed. There was no motivation, either Town or scum, behind jack. He's posted one word.

[Kublai Khan]

Pine... You know better. There is scum motivation in avoiding posting content until you see where other players stand on issues. scooby is deserving of the pressure that The Mini-Librarian is trying to exert.

Also, rack needs to answer NihilisticNinja's questions. He picked up on the same thing I did.

btw - The Mini-Librarian and NihilisticNinja are town. True story.

[vijay2vasandani]

But shotgun's RQS is awesomesauce..

Will post content regarding these posts tomorrow morning. Head hurts too much atm.

[Pine]

KK, he's deserving of pressure. Not of "NEEDS TO DIE NOW".

[Nero Cain]

I'm not scum, someone else is. Case closed we aren't PL'ing me today.
Now Nero why are you attempting to be so separated from the idea displayed in your following post?

I don't think I can explain why someone is a vi. Once again, and you seem to be ignoring this, I was not the one to bring up a Shotty pl nor did I ever say that I wanted to lynch him and only him.

No one directly accused you of these things. Does someone have a guilty conscience?
Also is it so hard to provide a link? It's obvious that the 2 year old was asking for an example not a role summary, there are plenty of games in which I played awfully that you could have linked.

So what I gather form all this is that, either
A) you know something that the rest of us don't, and you are town, why?:
1. I know you don't like me
2. I know you are down to PL me
3. You have tools available to help push a PL on me
4. You used none of those tools
or,
B) You are mafia and know that I am town, but don't want to seem over eager to lynch someone, why?:
1. You made no clear judgement call on the issue
2. You didn't push for the PL, but you kept the talk about it going
3. You made it very clear that this wasn't your idea, almost as if you know I am town, there for don't want the blame for a mislynch put upon yourself.

Personally I think it's B

I'm pretty sure that one of LLD/NN acused me of pushing your lynch. I'll be honest here...alot of this didn't make a lick of sense to me.

Like I said its widely know that you are a VI, NN wanting me to post links to exhibit this when HE could have looked himself is just tedious and unneeded.

b/c Vi's are hard to read....

why are you taking this so personally?

I agree this question is a bit odd.
Nero, what were you trying to gain with this question?

I think this whole thing was pretty dumb. A pl was suggested, NN asked why as if were such a crazy suggestion. I told him why it was even being considered. He asks for case for why someone is a VI. The whole thing is tedious and a distraction.

[Kublai Khan]

@Pine -
What should The Mini-Librarian do? Threaten him with the comfy chair? The pillow with all the stuffing pushed into the corner?

Hyperbole isn't a new thing in mafia, so I'm confused as to why you're acting so unfamiliar with it.

Whatever you think, scooby definitely ain't deserving of the defense you're volunteering.

@Nero Cain -
You made the argumentum ad populum that drmyshottyizsik is a "well-known VI", then tried to shift the burden of prooving your own assertion onto NihilisticNinja who seems legitimately confused by your behavior. And so am I. If anyone is drawing out the argument and making it "tedious and a distraction" it's you. You are acting scummy and shifty for no concievable reason. I looked up and found a game with both you and drmyshottyizsik in 2 minutes, why can't you?

[Nero Cain]

he could have looked it up.