Open 382: Friends and Enemies in MSPaint! (Game Over)

[Rainbowdash]

Vote Slaandar

Eyup.

Im going to see if there is a way that I can explain this without showing too many of the cards I am holding.

60% chance he is scum at least.

[Rhinox]

vote: kassadin

Rainbow, I've had a town read on slandaar all game. I'm trying to work out how you could have 60% odds on him being scum. I don't want you to reveal all your cards unnecessarily, and I think I know what you're getting at, I just don't get why it leads you to slandaar being most likely scum.

[Slandaar]

Pizzadudes7

-

7

(Rainbowdash, Rhinox, Blueberry, kondi2424, Alicewondering, Elmo TeH AzN,

Furcolow

)

Alicewondering -

1

(Pizzadudes7)

kondi2424 -

1

(Slandaar)

Furcolow

-

1

(Kamikrazy)

Kassadin -

1

(TraceyLyn11)

Slandaar

-

1

(Kassadin)

Not voting -

1

(Haze)

Furcolow

-

6

(Rainbowdash, kondi2424, Blueberry, Elmo TeH AzN, Kassadin, Haze)

Alicewondering -

1

(Slandaar)

Kassadin -

1

(Rhinox)

Slandaar

-

1

(Alicewondering)

Not voting -

2

(

Furcolow

,

Kamikrazy

)

So, Been on both Pizza and Furc:
Rainbow
Kondi
Blue
Elmo

Been on one of the two:
Rhinox
Kass
Alice
Haze

Been on Neither:
Slandaar

Didnt get much from this honestly, Blue might be scum. The trouble is, the wagons have been bad.

[Rainbowdash]

Heh... cute

Scum using VCA from a policy lynch.

[Slandaar]

Im town

You need to explain

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Alright I need to read this game over again. Last day was clearly a PL

[Alicewondering]

Alright I need to read this game over again. Last day was clearly a PL

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

VOTE: Slandaar

I'm mostly voting him for gut/meta reasons. I've played with town-Slandaar twice, and he has an interesting posting that usually gets labeled scummy. He tends to wagon hop and push the cases he really believes in. I have never seen town-Slandaar tunnel this hard. Nor I have I seen him put together such poor cases that he doesn't even believe in, even while calling me obvscum multiple times. Cognitive dissonance much? See below for the many times he has made a case without actually believing in it.

Scum qt before game starts -> someone told her who scum were in qt because she has a buddy who rolled scum previously

(still working on which one)

Scummy? not really sure, but its just not right.

Nothing here is major scummy I agree.
But the whole
The whole of the ISO + qt theory makes her scum. There is nothing remotely town in her ISO its all meh posting.
And to add
She was posting in other games but didnt post here
Meta suggests she is scum here.

I had never even played a game with Slandaar during which I was playing multiple games at a time. Not sure why he's making up cases then..

Note wishy washy about votes is clearly wrong.. but ok her reason is plausible

Still calling me out for a typo, but says it's plausible. Later claims that I made up reasons for voting Pizza o_o. I find it hilarious that he didn't even understand Rainbow's case on Pizza (the one I had sheeped) before he started misrepping and calling me scum.


Something about his advertisement for the guardian angel and his posting about how I "am the enemy" strikes me as overly cheeky scum.

tl;dr

This is not lovable town Slandaar.

[Slandaar]

Once not Twice

Slan Scum

ISO me here, look at difference in content levels then go vote someone else, I just cleared myself.

[Rainbowdash]

Im town

You need to explain

Im trying to figure out how to without showing all my cards which are REALLY awesome. Problem is that its going to eliminate most natural interactions that will come out of all of this. Then again, I almost want to pull an entirely different power move due to what has shaken down and if im reading stuff right, half blind(ed) scum, of which Slandaar fits the bill perfectly.

No pony do anything drastic for about 24 hours.

[Kassadin]

Im town

You need to explain

Anyone would claim town

[Rainbowdash]

Ok im officially pissed after slogging through the game and *this close* to doing something that will probably piss off just about everypony but I think will help.

I still dont like Slandaar. I dont like his play, I dont like the WAY he plays, I dont like how he treats others to an extent. Problem is at this point he really only works with two of my null/scum reads and two of my town reads (and those two stretch to work).

Even though I still have full athority to stop a lynch in the pool if I feel its needed, todays lynch pool is restricted to [Slandaar/Alice/ETA/Kass]. Nopony else can be lynched. Period. I will bring the wrath of Celestia down on anypony who tries to go elsewhere by ripping the game in two and doing this the way I want to do it instead of how it "should" be done.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Alright. So I clearly need to read this game. Why those 3 though?

[Rainbowdash]

Excel tells me thats the lynch pool. Im heavily going off the numbers for today.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Rainbow

That is not an explanation.

Rainbows scum at least 75% chance if not more

Seriously though, hes just voting the most popular town wagon from yesterday still alive with no reasoning.
If he were town he should be able to work out scum are taking the easy life sheeping him
I was going to vote blue today but meh, rainbows basically just lying at this point, hes managed to lead on 3 town, hes actually done 0 scumhunting, he needs rid of.

[Rainbowdash]

Pfft... I pushed a lynch yesterday that was 100% policy and I STILL have done basically the same amount of scumhunting then you have. Furc doing that hammer made him the autolynch for day two since he was vanilla, and im not about to compramise what is necessary because he "might" have been derpy town. I would lynch him again for doing the same thing given the chance.

[Rainbowdash]

Alright I have been thinking.

Im pretty sure its mason claim time.

This is for three reasons.

1) There are two of you who are for sure VT/mafia already. Two more I would put my bits on also being VT/mafia.
2) For the non-masons, they suddenly have a pool of five, three of which are mafia. This is before reads come into play. For the masons this is half of a pool of six. Given how much the above four ponies (Slandaar/Alice/Kass/ETA) dont work with others, we can probably pick up some "at most one of two" in pools of 5 or 6. Narrows the pool further.
3) Chances are we lose a mason tonight. That brings us to the same pool groups tomorrow but in lylo if we mislynch today.

Its seriously time. Depending on who the masons are this can crack the game open beyond reason. We already are 100% clearing a third of the game with two mislynches left. It leaves us with a situation where scum have all of their kills forced (three masons) so anypony we can clear/semi-clear through flips we get to endgame.

Mason claim time. If scum are HALF smart they will be at 50-50 throwing darts to hit mason tonight. With mason claims today we can more accurately gather reads and probably correctly lynch.

unvote

While this all shakes down.

Masons claim now.

We have two mislynches left, scum have three NKs. It forces all of the scum kills, and it creates a pool of six that has ALL three remaining scum in it. With three confirmed town and im pretty sure a couple "one or others" as my spreadsheet is calling out, time to take the game to the next level.

[Slandaar]

I dont need to argue with scum

Im just going to show it later

Pizza was a pl, furc was a pl, your reasons for voting me are pl

0 scumhunting

you are about to get lynched.

[Rainbowdash]

Pizza was a lynch you didnt agree with (im assuming you dont agree with your own lynch either)... that would be like me saying you are trying to policy lynch Alice and Kass.

If you are going to throw around big pony words at least know what they mean.

[Slandaar]

well lucky for me you are 75% chance to flip scum at least and im only 60% so its an easy lynch choice to make.

[Blueberry]

well lucky for me you are 75% chance to flip scum at least and im only 60% so its an easy lynch choice to make.

Where are you even getting this percent from?

[Slandaar]

Why do you ask me and not rainbow who invented this 'lets vote sland on numbers' idea

the bias in your questionning is ridiculously scummy.

[Blueberry]

Why do you ask me and not rainbow who invented this 'lets vote sland on numbers' idea

the bias in your questionning is ridiculously scummy.

I'm asking you because I can't believe you're calling somebody so town 75% scum.

[kondi2424]

Did somebody say MASON?

[Slandaar]

Where do you think?

Where do you think rainbows number came from?

also, What was the purpose of me answering that question yesterday? the answers no. I expect you to give me an indepth analysis as to what purpose that question had and why you brought it up specifically

I assume there was a purpose other than to look active?

[Rhinox]

Alright I have been thinking.

Im pretty sure its mason claim time.

This is for three reasons.

1) There are two of you who are for sure VT/mafia already. Two more I would put my bits on also being VT/mafia.
2) For the non-masons, they suddenly have a pool of five, three of which are mafia. This is before reads come into play. For the masons this is half of a pool of six. Given how much the above four ponies (Slandaar/Alice/Kass/ETA) dont work with others, we can probably pick up some "at most one of two" in pools of 5 or 6. Narrows the pool further.
3) Chances are we lose a mason tonight. That brings us to the same pool groups tomorrow but in lylo if we mislynch today.

Its seriously time. Depending on who the masons are this can crack the game open beyond reason. We already are 100% clearing a third of the game with two mislynches left. It leaves us with a situation where scum have all of their kills forced (three masons) so anypony we can clear/semi-clear through flips we get to endgame.

Mason claim time. If scum are HALF smart they will be at 50-50 throwing darts to hit mason tonight. With mason claims today we can more accurately gather reads and probably correctly lynch.

unvote

While this all shakes down.

Masons claim now.

We have two mislynches left, scum have three NKs. It forces all of the scum kills, and it creates a pool of six that has ALL three remaining scum in it. With three confirmed town and im pretty sure a couple "one or others" as my spreadsheet is calling out, time to take the game to the next level.

I don't know about this.

Doing this guarentees that we have to lynch all 3 scum. Without claiming, there is at least a chance that scum will mistakingly kill a townie when they need to kill a mason and end the game with as many as 2 scum still alive (for example, 3masons vs. 2scum at the start of a day, or 2-1). Its a difference of potentially needing to lynch only 1 right out of 2 chances, vs. needing to lynch 3 right out of 4 chances. We still have the same lynch pools of 5 or 6 to choose from, only some of us don't know exactly what those pools are (namely, VT's and scum). A mason can always claim if they're getting run up, which isn't likely to happen with the mason voting block anyways. Forcing the scum nk choices have no benefit right now. They're already pretty much forced (they pretty much have to hit masons from here on out), its just a matter of knowing vs. not knowing.

Yeah I'm fairly certain I know how you got your 60% number now.