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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:42 pm

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PeregrineV wrote:
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PeregrineV wrote:@WC- Thanks for that. I'm not scum, I'm cheeky scum? Uh, no.

Re: Slandaar takes a long time for me to read. He multi-posts alot, which I need to read him, but I haven't locked him in as either scum or town yet.

Re: SleepyCow (see what I did there?) -The first post doesn't say anything about the BBMolla claim, which is been one of the hottest topics. And for what all that has gone on both pre-crash and post, the entry was lacking. I figured it was only me, but if others are seeing *something* then I'm not alone.

@syndrome- gut scum coming in, but has hit it spot on with MoI. I usually find MoI opinionated, but syndrome has made points beyond that. His response to syndrome will say alot.

Re: WC case- anyone calling Wrathchild scum, can you point me to your reasons?

@Briz- Honestly, I expected him to tell the truth, not go batshit ape crazy and claim. This is a forum game. If you get that upset, take a walk and come back when you're calmer. And while I'm still out overall on BBMolla, I don;t want to lynch him today.

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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

I like how he's going "oh, other people think this? I guess I'm allowed to also." Lynch please.

Hey, cool, since you're here, thoughts on BBMolla claim, syndrome post on MoI and WrathChild pros and cons.


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syndrome post: eh. It's ok, but MoI feels like town MoI to me. The tunneling accusation especially is something I'd expect to see from town MoI and doesn't hold water for me.
WC pros/cons: Meaning what?
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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:44 pm

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hasdgfas wrote:
Nero Cain wrote:
Kdub wrote:What was terrible about cow's post that makes him obv scum?

I'm pretty sure I've already explained this. His singular scum read on WC looks like distancing. Nor do I like his leaning pile. I'm interested in why he finds the Slandaar thing so interesting, why he ignored my question, why he called Slandaar town only to have him leaning scum at the end of the post. I'm also interested in the omission of SD from his leaning pile after claiming that he'd vote him but didn't commit to a read and later calls him neutral.


A) WC is clearly a second scumread since I'm voting for Peregrine.
B) "I don't like his leaning pile" is absurdly vague.
C) It's interesting because of the hubbub around it. It's definitely something that needs to be looked back on once people start flipping.
D) What question did I ignore? Is it possible to ignore a question you don't know exists?
E) I never called slandaar town.
F) Have you heard of a policy lynch? That's what I wanted to do at that point because the mod should stay out of the game as much as possible.


A)I got that. I meant your only other scum read other than PV.
B)This will be explained as I go along. But I feel like the Shmugen and Iece are strange additions and your flip flopping on Slandaar looks scummy as fuck.
C)So why do you ignore answering this the first time I asked?
E)You need to explain the following to me then.

I believe the "I posted in the reboot thread and didn't check it later", because I've done the same thing he's claiming to do.
However, I
also
think MoI is town because of this, because this seems like the type of thing he'd jump on if he were town.


So you are saying that you've done the same thing as him. If this is something you've done as town wouldn't that net him town points? But nope, no town points. The word "also" threw me off and so I thought you were saying they are both town. So you've done the same thing as him as scum? Great!!! but then you contridict yourself and say that "I don't read anything on slandaar yet" and then all the sudden he's leaning scum? I really don't get your statement at all.

F)again I feel like you are lacking a read here. Do you think his asking for mod intervention to be scummy? Calling for a pl this late in the day phase doesn't exactly give me protown vibes either.

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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:53 pm

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Andri wrote:Pushing too hard" is not scummy, sword_of_omens. Its called being determined. I'd be right there next to him if I were actually on MS.

Andri wrote:SoO tunnelvisions Slandaar.
Do you think you're "pushing too hard" on Slandaar yet?
If so, how is Magna pushing Slandaar "too hard" any different from you? (Also you both think he's scum.)
If not, why not?


I'm assuming you mean my reference in post#342:
I thought it was strange that MOI was mainly pushing the whole "you're lying about knowing the thread opened" issue when there were better reasons for Slandaar being scuum and wanted to make a note of it.
Pressure and determination are fine...pushing too hard on that particluar issue seemed a wasted effort....because for me, and probably others, I don't think that it mattered really one way or another whether or not Slandaar knew…like I said Slandaar was scummy for better reasons.
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:55 pm

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Nero Cain wrote:A)I got that. I meant your only other scum read other than PV.
B)This will be explained as I go along. But I feel like the Shmugen and Iece are strange additions and your flip flopping on Slandaar looks scummy as fuck.
C)So why do you ignore answering this the first time I asked?

Because I didn't see it the first time you asked it.
NC wrote:E)You need to explain the following to me then.

I believe the "I posted in the reboot thread and didn't check it later", because I've done the same thing he's claiming to do.
However, I
also
think MoI is town because of this, because this seems like the type of thing he'd jump on if he were town.


So you are saying that you've done the same thing as him. If this is something you've done as town wouldn't that net him town points? But nope, no town points. The word "also" threw me off and so I thought you were saying they are both town.
So you've done the same thing as him as scum? Great!!!
but then you contridict yourself and say that "I don't read anything on slandaar yet" and then all the sudden he's leaning scum? I really don't get your statement at all.

"I think X" "I also think Y". This doesn't mean that there is any connection.
I don't understand the bolded at all.
The "contradiction" is clearly not a contradiction. Read the opening to my first post again. I stated that I was noting things as I saw them in my read through. I didn't read anything on slandaar initially, and then by the end of the thread, I was leaning scum on him. You seem to be conveniently ignoring the other thing I said about slandaar in that post as well, where I mention him Cassandra-ing. That should have been clear that I was leaning scum on him.

NC wrote:F)again I feel like you are lacking a read here. Do you think his asking for mod intervention to be scummy? Calling for a pl this late in the day phase doesn't exactly give me protown vibes either.

I was making note of it when I saw it, which was like, before page 5. Would calling for a PL then have been an issue? I doubt it, so when I post about it as I see it then, why is it any worse?

The point you seem to be missing is that that post was not a "I'm caught up, here are my thoughts" post. That post was a stream-of-consciousness post. They require very different thought processes to look at when compared to a more "normal" post in a game.
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:51 pm

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With the deadline being Friday, do we have a DeathNote around here? I went back and checked the rules, whoever has the most votes at deadline will get lynched and the one with the first vote in the case of tie will be lynched. It seems like the wagons for the day are Slandaar, Wrath, and PeregrinV. I don't think they're all scum, but I think they're all scummy in ways and we need to start somewhere. I'm interested in the points Spitfavrle brings up in post 474, but what this game needs the most is a flip. My vote is still on Slandaar, partially for scummy behavior and partially for pure annoyance, and PeregrinV is second on that list for deadline compromising.
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:20 pm

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BB is extremely active elsewhere on the site with the deadline coming up soon. I think he is laying low and hoping another wagon gets pushed instead due to deadline pressure. I'm not sure what the current vote count is, but he is still very much a viable lynch given the deadline lynch rules. He has no good answers for the issues with his claim, he reacted in a very evasive and dismissive way to questioning, and he has basically shut it down with regard to posting any content since I've been pushing him. BB is not town.

For the people saying they believe the claim (even if still unsure about BB's alignment), why do you believe the claim?

Nero Cain wrote:
Kdub wrote:What was terrible about cow's post that makes him obv scum?

I'm pretty sure I've already explained this. His singular scum read on WC looks like distancing. Nor do I like his leaning pile. I'm interested in why he finds the Slandaar thing so interesting, why he ignored my question, why he called Slandaar town only to have him leaning scum at the end of the post. I'm also interested in the omission of SD from his leaning pile after claiming that he'd vote him but didn't commit to a read and later calls him neutral.

Nope, your iso reveals no previous explanation of this sort. Furthermore, none of these things warrants an "obv scum" read.
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:56 pm

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Also I wouldn't call myself "extremely active," I've only had 14 posts since my last one, most of them having to do with non-game-related content.

I'm on the PeregrineV wagon and am happy with it.

Lynching me today is completely stupid as has been discussed. Look elsewhere bucko.

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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:58 pm

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Kdub, why
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:58 pm

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Kdub wrote:He has no good answers for the issues with his claim, he reacted in a very evasive and dismissive way to questioning,

Quotes please, I've responded to every question I've seen(90% of them are the same dumb question.)
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:11 pm

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Why is the talk about the claim still going on?

Lynch Nexus hes scum
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:38 am

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Got Error 500 message when responding so Syndrome gets a special for his eyes only response first before the rest of my posting -

Syndome wrote:First of all:
VOTE: MaguaofIllusion
I'll get to that in a second.


Would it be condescending to state that the fact you can’t even get my name correct is an indication of the quality of your post? Yes, but I'm doing it anyway.

Syndrome wrote:1. His case on Slandaar is pretty much BS, and the fact that he pushed it so hard is scummy in itself. Why is he tunneling on Slandaar so hard for "dodging the thread" when other players were also not posting here? Why does he still continue to try and discredit Slandaar after posting a logical town explanation why he missed the thread? And why does he continue pressing charges even after other players confirmed to not receive a prod PM, and the mod confirmed to not have given everyone a prod? Why is he not attacking Andrius or ShadowDancer for doing the same later on? The whole ordeal really seems to me like mafia grasping at straws to get rid of a dangerous town player.


1. You’ll have to do better than a generic hand-wave of “His case is BS”. I’ve written a full case on Slandaar. Address specific points you feel are BS so I can slap your logic around a bit.
2. Slaandar’s argument is hardly solid and obv-Town logically. I’ve yet to see a logical explanation for him posting on site in other threads over a 5+ day period that doesn’t revolve around him being too lazy to look beyond the threads he as posting in. Here’s a hint – one of those threads was here in Theme Park. Simply scrolling his finger once in that time-frame would have revealed the ‘grand secret’ of this game being open.
3. Please show me documentation that Andrius and Shadow were posting on site in the time-frame where they were not posting here after the thread re-opened the secondn time. Until you can do that you are trying to manufacture a supposed ‘discrepancy’ in my behavior using incorrect facts. Scummy.

Syndrome wrote:I wanted to respond to this in particular. After pretty much getting caught in his own contradiction, MoI's only response is "you're an idiot". Maybe Slandaar really just didn't bother clicking something other than bookmarks/subscriptions. How does this make him an idiot? And more importantly - even if he was lying about the whole thing and really did see the thread - HOW does that make him scum? Town lurk and avoid posting in threads all the time. Town also lies about it all the damn time. Your excuse is "he was under pressure" - pressure from who? Didn't seem like there was much pressure on anyone at the time.


1. What contradiction are you claiming exists? The one that you tried to assert above? Please give details so I can properly respond. Otherwise this is another wall of words meant to look impressive when it’s just empty fluff.
2. Slandaar was one of the top scum reads at the time the thread was Tiger Eaten along with Fennin and Malee. Your suggesting that no-one was being pressured at all is tanamount to saying nothing happened during the first 15 pages of the game.

Syndrome wrote:Yeah, this whole case is garbage and I find MoI scummy for pushing it so hard.


More pointless rhetoric. Prove your assertion. Put up or shut up.

Syndrome wrote:2. Constantly calling SD obvious town, without ever saying why. Bitch you better start explaining yourself. Is he "obvious town" because he's your scumbuddy? And why is Hasdgsadfdfg obvious town?


I’ve already explained why Shadow is obv-Town… do you not read? I love your empty bravado of “Bitch you better do this”. Or what? You’ll act like an aggressive 13 year old suburban spoiled brat whose never been in a fight but talks tons of trash more?

The rest of this just more pointless fluffery. What other than adding empty words do you expect to gain from typing “is it because he’s your partner”? Seriously that’s complete uselessness on the order of me asking you “Have you stopped obsessively masterbating yet?”. It’s a no-win question that serves no Town purpose.

Syndrome wrote:Look at this shit. MoI is attacking Iec for providing content! Hypocrite.
He's constantly hand-waving scumtells directed at a select few of people
while bashing others for doing the same. Inconsistency in the way he hands out scum-reads. Probably adding Iec to your scumlist because he suspects you.


The irony of the bolded coming from you given your strenuous hand-waving in Slandaar’s defense is noted. Cognitivie Dissonance away!!!!

A list of names with no reasons why they are scum is not content. You suggesting it is?

Syndrome wrote:Scumslip 1: knowing that there are Mafia Goons in this game. Scumslip 2: knowing that scum get blasters at all! The fact that you mention goons in particular getting blasters and not mafia in general is highly suspect and sounds like it could be coming from inside information - if you're going to assume scum get blasters at all, why assume it's only Goons? Where in the OP does it say anyone other than Vanilla Towns get blasters?


Lulz this is funny.

1. Scum slip for knowing ‘Mafia Goons’ are in the game? That’s cheeky and funny as all get out. Show me more multiple Mafiascum Large Theme completed games without at least one Mafia Goon. What you are peddling as ‘inside knowledge’ is not being a moron.
2. Do you not understand what the word regardless means? I ask because as you quoted form Archive Post 251 –

Regardless of whether Goons are considered Vanilla or not the concentration of Town with Blasters as opposed to Total with Blasters is going to be higher than the concentration of Town to total


This says “It does not matter if Mafia Goons get blaster like VTs per the OP or not … Town will have far more blasters in it’s hand than scum do”.

Should I consider it a scum-slip that you know there aren’t Mafia Goons in the game or that they don’t have Blasters like VTs?

Syndome wrote:And disregarding the scumslips - MoI is outright trying to stop all blaster strategy, which is scummy. I think it's pretty freaking important for town to have a consensus on who to shoot. We need at least 3 shots for the kill to count, so having NO discussion can lead to NO extra kill. We're essentially getting an extra lynch here - trying to say we shouldn't discuss it because scum can influence it is like saying we discuss who to vote in the topic because scum can influence our opinion. Fucking horrible logic there.


Nope.jpg. ‘Directing’ a group Vig is failure and only benefits Scum. I’ll lay out some facts of how Mafia works for you so you can be enlighted and perhaps understand.

1. VTs are in all likelihood the overwhelming majority of Town roles. Probably between 75 to 60%.
2. Town as a whole outnumber scum by at worst a 66% to 33% ratio and probably less. That’s at worst a 2-1 ratio.
3. Goons may or may not have blasters. Even if they do the ratio of Goons to scum Power-roles is at most likely at worst 50 / 50 assuming a single scum team.

20 people started this game. Worst case Town started off with a 14-6 ratio. And for this purpose we are assuming a Single Scum team.

So at 60% VT ratio we have 8 Town Blaster votes.
At 50% Goon with Blasters they have 3 Blaster votes.

Town in this scenario have a 8-3 advantage and hold 73% of the Night Blastare votes.

In this same set-up Town holds a 14-6 advantage of general “Direct the Night action” day discussion votes, and thus hold a 66.% percent of the vote.

Town are better off letting each Town member judge who is scummy and worth shooting at Night than letting Scum as a whole help direct Blaster fire at scummy looking Townies and away from their own members.

If Goon don’t have Blaster’s it’s a slam-dunk since Town holds 100% of the Night actions but only 66.6% of the Day discussion.

Of course I can show you multiple games where publicly ‘directing’ Vig shots as opposed to letting the Vigs exercise their own judgment failed miserable and helped scum immensely. Perfect example – Cyclic Experiment X01.

Syndrome wrote:I think I've said enough for now, but don't think I'm done.


Oh I hope so. Either you will continue to show that your arguments are weak and possibly scummy or you just might convince the scum-team that they actually have a chance of mislynching me.
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:56 am

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Magna
if scum have blasters they can focus fire take your example 8 town undirected into 18 players vs 3 scum focused? yeah, I like scums odds. Fact is one town stumbles onto mafias target and there is nearly no hope 5 town will all magically agree on someone else without direction thereby ensuring scum are the ones who are basically directing the blaster kills.

I very much doubt they do have blasters, but your logic is clearly flawed.

Lets again take your 8 town blasters, 3 of these 8 have to target the same person. Is that unlikely? not really, but its not that likely either I would guess maybe 50/50 of a kill happening, yes thats a guess/estimate but the point is, the blasters are shooting into 18 players and without any focus theres a fair chance the kill doesnt happen at all.

Which is better?
A guaranteed kill on a null/scummy slot
No kill/50% chance of kill?

Thereby we can work out its best to direct as long as the person giving the list is town this part is important.

I am town

Therefore my list is good. If we mislynch today, said person can make a 3 person list. Then we have conftown selecting the list to target.
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:05 am

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@MOD – Please give us a Vote Count ASAP. It is not very helpful this close to deadline to have no confirmed vote-counts to analyze and based decisions on


@Syndrome
– you probably need to weigh in with an opinion on in your next offering to the thread.

Dislike briz’s return to the thread at .

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Slandaar wrote: Why are you voting me again Nexus?

oh right... because I call myself town.

Seems like legit scumhunting.


As legitimate as voting everyone who calls you scum. :roll:

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Andy wrote: MAGNA DONT YOU LEAVE ME FOR A PEREGRINE WAGON.
SLANDAAR STILL BREATHES.


Not for long he doesn’t. I certainly vote him today. He’s one of my 4 or 5 acceptable lynches.

Where have you been? Don’t say LOL.

Andy wrote: How familiar are you with DeathNote and his games?


This is a good point.

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Kdub wrote: Just so we're absolutely clear on your position, you don't find the fact that he amended his claim after being questioned to be suspicious? And I have brought up stuff outside the claim (which several others have agreed with previously), you just don't agree with it apparently.


I have absolutely no problem with the way the claim unfolded. In fact it is a Town tell. Scum wouldn’t have any reason to not carefully have prepared their claim.

And yes, I don’t agree with “Ignoring me questions” is scummy. And I don’t recall any other points outside the claim that I found compelling. If I’m missing something please let me know.

Kdub wrote: BB is extremely active elsewhere on the site with the deadline coming up soon.


BB’s already shown why this was terrible but the fact that BB is active all over site because he replaced into a metric Assload of games to help Mods out really makes me want you to eat copious Blasterfire with this attack Kdub.

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Nero wrote: I actually started suspecting Malee for having a Myra(?) Jade (
who is a bad guy
) avatar in pre-game but switched it after the game started like she was scum and was worried about having a bad guy for a picture.


This, as has already been mentioned by others, and your subsequent back-pedal at dings my scumdar. People change avatars all the time on site. And the fact that Deathnote promised “powers” that turned out to be more annoying than anything is good reason for Malee to have abandoned the Theme Avatar.

Furthermore the bolded files right in the face of Mod’s “Film alignment does not equal Game Alignment” rule. Remind me – did you suspect BB for breadcrumbing Yoda? This will be on the Midterm Quiz.

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Wrath wrote:@MoI: I have no idea what you're talking about as far as a slip goes. I didn't in the first post and I didn't in my post and I still don't now.


I’ll explain it for the benefit of those who have missed it – both you and Peregrine have said something to the effect “How can we both be scum?”

It’s a slip for the same reason why attacking someone for having a scum-read on both yourself and someone else that you also have a scum-read on … it betrays the inside knowledge that we aren’t in a multi-scum game.

It’s Day 1. We’ve had no kills or flips to help distinguish the number of factions floating around. Why should a Town player say “How can we both be scum together” when from an objective standpoint you shouldn’t have any clue whether we have more than one scum faction?

Wrath wrote:Where did I call BB out with all these questions?


Are you saying the following from isn’t ‘calling him out’ as possible scum?

Wait. You and your predecessor claimed one of the most powerful PRs in the game and you think there are other PRs more powerful than yours? You have no problem being NKed!? You go back and forth from being unkillable to being untargetable by force powers and blasters and back again. Before Peregrine weaseled a claim out of you I thought it was pretty obvious your slot was town, but now I have no idea because you just farmed it so hard.
Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum.


The bolded clearly leaves space in your read of BB for him to be scum if Peregrine isn’t.

So either you were calling him out in the above or you typed that paragraph for no significant reason other than fluff. Which is it?

The bolded also shows more of the slip mentality I was talking about above.

Wrath wrote:-So you attacked me for flip flopping, but as you say here town or scum can change stances, so you're attacking me for something town or scum can do.


No I’ve said that Town, with new information (aka flips and more Day of play), can certainly change their opinion. I’m saying that your changes are characteristic of scum who don’t have actual reads and are manufacturing theirs.

Wrath wrote:-All game you have had one set of reads and basically stuck to them, then you accuse me of flip flopping. I don't think I've seen you once this game change a read based on events, it's almost like you're avoiding it.


Well you haven’t been looking closely then. I’ve revoked my Town read on both ooba and Andy for behavior that for them indicates possible scum alignment.

But let me ask – what ‘events’ are you talking about that warrant a significant read change on my scum reads? Please be specific.

Wrath wrote: 5) Syndrome vs. MoI: I give Syndrome some major credit on this attack. I think his points are good and its interesting that this has not been commented on at all since he posted it.


I’d like you to specifically state which points you found good and why.

Wrath’s is another example of IIoA. He made 7 points. Points 1, 3, 4, and 7 specifically do not address actual alignment reads Wrath got from the ‘events’. Simply say things that aren’t alignment relevant (aka PlayerX is useless.).

Point 2 is further repeating he thinks Nero is scum.
Point 5 is further repeating he thinks I’m scum

6 is fence-sitting on Andy.

UNVOTE: Peregrine
VOTE: Wrath

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He’s barely active. Andy HATES being scum and in the past he’s been pretty easy to read – a very active Andy is a Town Andy. He’s going to blame LOL for his low levels and AFFC showed he could be fairly passive as Town. I don’t think he’s scum but I don’t think he’s obv-Town at this stage.

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So you are blaming your lack of content and posting on the Post Restriction you are claiming … how ever so quaint ….
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:07 am

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Slandaar
- have you ever played a role like VT here before? I have. Town players are certainly more than capable of making a well informed decision after we see a flip. Heck, they might even get some help in the matter. You directing plan is stupid, Anti-Town and not going to happen.
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:21 am

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4nxi3ty wrote:
Kdub wrote:
4nxi3ty wrote: :neutral: unvote,vote: Andrius

wat

Andrius wrote:
4nxi3ty wrote:
unvote, vote: shadow

Care to explain?

4nxi3ty wrote:
only up to pg.4 in the archive, scumvibes from Andrius.

4nxi3ty wrote:up to pg. 9
scumvibes from shadow's tone

pressure is a good excuse as well.

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Wrath wrote:4. Me and Peregrine scumbuddies?: I just thought it was pretty clear that we wanted each other dead and when whats-his-face came in and suggested it I was a bit surprised and asked him to clarify.


A ring-a-ding Wrath makes the exact same slip as Peregrine.

neither are slips, wrath was trying to tie himself to a townie tho.

unvote, Vote: Wrath

Uhh, what?

What townie am I trying to tie myself to? Do you know someone is town that I don't?
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:27 am

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I have Magna! Thanks for asking!
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:34 am

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@MoI: You continue to farm it:

1.
Scumslip
: Did you even read the last game you modded, in which I was town, where I continually pushed the assumption that we are against a single scum team, until proven otherwise? How the fuck can you call it a scumslip when someone says "Scumbuddies" Day 1. That's the most bogus thing I've ever seen. Are you really telling me that we should be playing under the assumption that there multiple scum teams? That's bullshit. You play to the standard until proven otherwise.

2.
Questioning BB
: Yeah, his panic claim was suspicious. You ever heard of Rhetorical Questions? There's a good example. Now that that's cleared up let's look at your accusations. You said, I left room for BB to be scum in my wording:

"Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum."

Damn straight I did. Do you know he isn't scum? The intended meaning of that statement is pretty clear, I think Peregrine is scum and that probably means BB isn't. Oh wait MoI, we might be playing multiball right? So me making associative assumptions are scumslips right?

You're full of it of you know it. Seriously MoI, I'm looking you right in the eye and am telling you, you know this is a BS suspicion, just like your Slaandar lurking one. I know what you are and if, at this point in the day, I try to swing a wagon on you, all I am going to end up doing is getting myself, the one person I know to be town, lynched. Too many people sheep your crap (just look at the votes on me, not a single original point against me) for me to do this and my early vote on Peregrine can mean the difference between life and death for me.

3.
Manufactured reads
: You write:

"No I’ve said that Town, with new information (aka flips and more Day of play), can certainly change their opinion. I’m saying that your changes are characteristic of scum who don’t have actual reads and are manufacturing theirs."


So you said town with new information can change their opinion, but when I change my opinion its manufactured. How do you differentiate between manufactured and uniformed townie reads?

4.
Flip flopping vs. Tunneling:
So you're saying you flip flopped on Ooba and Andy? You must be scum. As far as important events, read the posts, people have and have not contributed in differing amounts. I'm not going to go through the thread and point out every single post I think might have some significance. The fact is that I don't see you getting a scum read on someone and then realizing, "Oh hey, they might actually be town". Once scum forever scum in your book and I can tell you the scum motivation in that pretty easily.

5.
Syndrome Points against MoI:

-White-Knighting/Scumbuddy preservation on Malee Day 1 Pre-Crash
-Attacking Slandaar for lurking after Reboot when other players did the same or worse
-Making OBV Town calls with little to no reasoning
-The push on Iec who apparently has a debilitating posting restriction. Seriously, posting restrictions suck and one as serious as Iec's appears to be can easily suck out motivation to post.
-Halting of Blaster Strategy

I don't agree with some of his other points (like the slips).

Now I want to make an important point here:

MoI obviously is speaking out against Blaster Strategy, but it is only to "Appear Townie" because he doesn't really mean it. How many times has he included, "PEW PEW PEW PEW" in his posts. This is subtle influencing on blaster strategies. While publicly speaking against it, he is in fact trying to control or guide blaster shots with those comments.

6. 7 Point 529 Post: Since when does ever point need to include a alignment read. Why can I not just discuss current events with out fear of being called scum for it? Let's go with your accusation that Points 1, 3, 4, and 7 are non-important (I'll address that further), you agree that point 2 and 5 do reflect reads of mine. Two reads in one post! At that point that's more content than Peregrine, Shadow, Nexus, Ooba, Midnight and Iec combined had contributed over the previous couple of days.

Now to dismissing Points 1, 3, 4 and 7. Let me translate for the MoI sheepers herer:

1. Lay off Iec, he has a shitty posting restriction
3. I say that at some point, we are going to have to lynch BB. How is this a non-important comment? Do you disagree MoI?
4. Peregrine continually being worhtless furthers my belief he is scum, so go ahead a scratch this from your "No alignment Reads list" and put it in the Reads category. So chalk another misrep up to our misrep leader, MoI!
7. This is me saying we should blaster the content lite as we are more likely to get information from lynching active posters. If anything it should get the lighter posters to be more active and we save ourselves the trouble of lynching lurkers. How is this a non-important comment? Do you disagree MoI?

Now to address, my "fence sit" on Andy. So I saw some scummy things and some townie things, this game is hard and I'm not blessed with MoI's god-given gift to be certain a player is either town or scum. I find that this type of gift is enlightened when the player already knows who is town and who is scum.

So TLDNR:

-MoI is scum. However, I need to see a VC to be sure that me switching to him at this point will not result in my lynch. With the number of players blindly sheeping him, I think it will be a hard lynch to achieve at this point. If I wasn't on the chopping block I'd be voting MoI right now. I still think Peregrine is scummy and a good lynch and I think MoI, may have been fake-bussing him. His push on Peregrine seemed to be significantly less sincere than his push on me and it kind of seemed like he was just waiting for the right time to swing it back to me.
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:45 am

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WrathChild wrote:-MoI is scum. However, I need to see a VC to be sure that me switching to him at this point will not result in my lynch.


I'll get to the rest of your post but this needs highlighted directly.

You are calling me scum but are worried whether voting for me will result in your lynch? If you were Town who seriously thought I was scum you wouldn't worry whether you pushing on me would result in votes to you. When you flipped Town there would be some consideration to your position (probably not much to be fair ... Towns in general are horrible about reviewing dead player's suspicions).

But this ... this is something else. You are worried about the end result of you voting me. Not a Town perspective. I can point to you any number of games where Town Magna has voted targets considered generally Town because I thought they were scum. Some of which directly or indirectly resulted in my death via lynch for it.

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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:59 am

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Magna, even i understood what WC was saying in that sentence...
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:12 am

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sword_of_omens wrote:Magna, even i understood what WC was saying in that sentence...


So you understood that self-preservation is more important than actually voting for somone he thinks is scum based on his stance there?
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:24 am

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MoI:
If I move my vote to you and fail to secure your lynch, I lose the tie-breaker to Peregrine, who I think is scum and I (who I know is town) die. So, unless I see my vote lynching you, I need to leave it on Peregrine and avoid what I know as A FACT to be a mislynch on me. I'm not saying people need to take my word for it, I'm explaining it from my perspective. If by some miracle, I can fight off your horde of sheep and gather enough support for your lynch I would vote you. I would vote you even if I was relatively sure I wasn't going to be lynched today. Hence, why I asked for an official vote count.
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:28 am

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considering that there is a wagon on one of his top scum reads, and it's coming up on deadline, yeh...
it would make more sense to push that lynch then try to start on another one this late in the day...especially when he has a wagon on himself as well...

WWMoID?
You have 2 top scumreads, one has a wagon, one doesn't. You have a wagon on yourself as well. Deadline is in 12hrs or so...if a no lynch occurs, top votes gets lynched...
try to lynch the scumread with a wagon? or try and lead a lynch your scumread without?
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:29 am

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BBmolla wrote:Image

You notice I wasn't calling your overall activity into question, only your recent activity and most importantly your lack of content. But this is just another example of you avoiding my actual problems with your play.

BBmolla wrote:Lynching me today is completely stupid as has been discussed. Look elsewhere bucko. Maybe if you're lucky, Mafia kill with sticks and I don't have stick protection and I'll die tonight. Man you'll sure have showed me how dumb I was for claiming.

Wait, I thought you were "unkillable"? Are you finally going to acknowledge that you are not and that this makes your explanation of Fennin trying to draw the NK bogus? You might want to try again on that.

BBmolla wrote:Kdub, why
don't
you believe my claim?

This should be plainly obvious to anyone who's followed our exchange, including yourself. This is just a further attempt to deflect.

BBmolla wrote:Quotes please, I've responded to every question I've seen(90% of them are the same dumb question.)

Post 507. Aside from the fact that it took you several posts to respond,
your first answer here contradicts the fact that you didn't fullclaim initially
. You still haven't addressed this. Your second answer, I've already pointed out several times, is based on you making an assumption that was not justified.

MagnaofIllusion wrote:I have absolutely no problem with the way the claim unfolded. In fact it is a Town tell. Scum wouldn%u2019t have any reason to not carefully have prepared their claim.

Fine, I just wanted your clear stance on this. Scum get caught through blown fakeclaims fairly often though. I strongly disagree that this is a town tell.
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:33 am

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WC seems town to me

Really town

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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:34 am

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gonna do some re-reading...

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