D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[Iecerint]

Your defenseness appeared to be very put-on and self-conscious, and therefore scummy. Players have to infer that something is responsible for the self-consciously defensive tone, and alignment issues are an easy explanation.

Also, Iecerint suspects that replacements did not read the pre-timegap content, which showcased a very different Slandaar.

[syndromeofadown]

1. You’ll have to do better than a generic hand-wave of “His case is BS”. I’ve written a full case on Slandaar. Address specific points you feel are BS so I can slap your logic around a bit.
2. Slaandar’s argument is hardly solid and obv-Town logically. I’ve yet to see a logical explanation for him posting on site in other threads over a 5+ day period that doesn’t revolve around him being too lazy to look beyond the threads he as posting in. Here’s a hint – one of those threads was here in Theme Park. Simply scrolling his finger once in that time-frame would have revealed the ‘grand secret’ of this game being open.
3. Please show me documentation that Andrius and Shadow were posting on site in the time-frame where they were not posting here after the thread re-opened the secondn time. Until you can do that you are trying to manufacture a supposed ‘discrepancy’ in my behavior using incorrect facts. Scummy.

1. It's not your case on him later on that I have a problem with, it's the fact that you pushed THIS PARTICULAR POINT extremely hard. Yes you did post an actual case on him based on more evidence SEVERAL DAYS LATER, and that was well after you realized nobody would sheep you based on what you posted before.
You also don't seem to have any problem with SD or andrius avoiding the thread, meaning you're being selective in the way you're handing out your scumreads. My best guess? You didn't like the way Slandaar was getting suspicious of you and this is the only thing you could think of to try and discredit him and look like you're scumhunting.

2. You've yet to see the logical explanation beyond the logical explanation that he's already given you? What exactly do you think is illogical about it?

3. You know as well as I do that it's impossible for me to do that. But to me they're just as guilty of "avoiding the thread" as Slandaar was. Now tell me why you never commented on their absense or accused them of being scum for being too stupid to type mafiascum.net into the address bar. What is your official policy on lurkers?

1. What contradiction are you claiming exists? The one that you tried to assert above? Please give details so I can properly respond. Otherwise this is another wall of words meant to look impressive when it’s just empty fluff.
2. Slandaar was one of the top scum reads at the time the thread was Tiger Eaten along with Fennin and Malee. Your suggesting that no-one was being pressured at all is tanamount to saying nothing happened during the first 15 pages of the game.

1. The contradiction that I assert above. Details:
a) Slandaar hadn't posted in the thread in 5 days
b) you ask slandaar why he avoided the thread
c) he tells you he didn't mean to and gives a logical explanation as to why
d) you say his explanation is wrong and he was purposefully avoiding the thread because he is scum
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e) Shadow Dancer hadn't posted in the thread longer than 5 days
f) Shadow Dancer gives pretty much no reason as to why
g) You do not question or pressure him in any way
h) You say Shadow Dancer is obvious town
Please point out which letter you have a disagreement with.

2) I just meant that when the new thread was reopened, all votes were erased and pretty much everyone was posting like they were clueless and forgot about what's going on. Why would scum be afraid of posting when they could easily use this opportunity of a confused town to cause chaos or give themselves a better first impression? What exactly do you think was Slandaar afraid of?

I’ve already explained why Shadow is obv-Town… do you not read? I love your empty bravado of “Bitch you better do this”. Or what? You’ll act like an aggressive 13 year old suburban spoiled brat whose never been in a fight but talks tons of trash more?

The rest of this just more pointless fluffery. What other than adding empty words do you expect to gain from typing “is it because he’s your partner”? Seriously that’s complete uselessness on the order of me asking you “Have you stopped obsessively masterbating yet?”. It’s a no-win question that serves no Town purpose.

No, you have not explained anything at all. You have said some generic blanket statements but nothing concrete. If it is so obvious you should be able to point out exactly which posts have these hidden town-tells that everybody except you keeps missing. You should also be able to explain why they are town tells so that people will understand and agree not to lynch said townsperson. This is being a good townie 101.

The OR what is that the rest of the town doesn't catch these obvious town tells and mislynches them. The fact that you try to discredit me by calling me a "13 year old that spoiled brat" has been noted, as well as your insistence that my case against you is "fluff".

A list of names with no reasons why they are scum is not content. You suggesting it is?

YOU were the one who suggested this. Or do you not remember page 6 of the archives? When Slandaar attacked Malee for postng a list of names with no reasons why they are scum you lashed at Slandaar. You say that Malee was posting content, but Iec is posting non content. Tell me, how is what Iec posted any different from what Malee posted? Why is he accused of being scum for it and why is Malee patted on the back? Hypocrisy, like I said earlier.

1. Scum slip for knowing ‘Mafia Goons’ are in the game? That’s cheeky and funny as all get out. Show me more multiple Mafiascum Large Theme completed games without at least one Mafia Goon. What you are peddling as ‘inside knowledge’ is not being a moron.

I understand what you were trying to say, but I find the wording of it suspicious. You essentially are saying there are only two options:
1) only vanilla town get blasters
or
2) vanilla town and goons get blasters
The fact that you suggest only the mafia goons getting blasters suggests to me inside knowledge. When I read this thread fresh I assumed the two possibilities would be
1) Vanilla town gets blasters
or
2) Anyone can get blasters
The fact that you mentioned goons in particular is highly suspect to me, when nothing at all in the OP suggests it.

Nope.jpg. ‘Directing’ a group Vig is failure and only benefits Scum. I’ll lay out some facts of how Mafia works for you so you can be enlighted and perhaps understand.
Blah blah blah math

I'll just have to point you to Post 561 where slandaar explains it a lot more ellegantly than I could. If Mafia get blasters then we're screwed since they can concentrate their shots in one place.

I'll take your hypothetical that there are 8 towns with blasters though and no scum gets blasters. The chances of 3 of them aiming at the same person when given a pool of 18 other players is astronomically low, obviously. But lets say there are only 5 players that stick out that everyone agrees is worth shooting, but we don't come to a consensus on 1. If each of those 8 players shot randomly between 5 targets, then the chances of 3 of them aiming at a single player is rougly 67%.

That sounds pretty good at first glance, but that also means there's a roughly 1/3 chance of doing exactly nothing. I would rather not take those odds. Especially when there is absolutely NO HARM in everyone discussing who we want to blaster. (and if there's a consensus at least give our target a chance to claim... no time for that today, but next time we should treat this discussion exactly like another lynch and NOT like a vig shot that needs to be hidden)

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In summary
1) MoI thinks my post is fluff
2) MoI is trying to discredit my attack on him by calling me scum, as well as "a spoiled 13 year old child"
3) MoI has not made an effort to defend his actions other than tactics like 1) and 2)
4) MoI is scum.

LYNCH THIS BASTARD
Anyone who has reserves about voting him should just throw down a vote and if the wagon doesn't pick up you can move your vote before deadline.

more non-moi related posts I have to comment on, be back in a few hours hopefully. In the mean time, vote MoI.

[Iecerint]

MoI scum would not really surprise Iecerint, but Iecerint understands where Slandaar/WrathC are coming from on giving him a little bit of benefit of the doubt.

[Shmugen]

Slandaar, you sadden me. Your 1-shot abilities could have really helped and instead you blew them on a 'trap' and acted obtuse all day.

Unvote

VOTE: PeregrineV

As for MoI, the idea of him being scum seems feasible, but if so, he's stellar at making scum MoI look like town MoI. He's certainly not a day 1 lynch for me. I like the majority of my company on the Peregrine wagon.

[Slandaar]

Yes I acted obtuse, I figured scum more likely to vote me because obtuse != scummy its actually a playstyle and thereby null but an easy vote for scum to make.

Which is why you are very firmly in the list of lynch candidates as you voted me based on playstyle also.

[Kdub]

Kdub doesn't know what sarcasm is.

Another evasion. You're doing a great job racking those up. And sarcasm aside, you continue to refuse to acknowledge that your explanation for Fennin's play is bogus.

Slandaar, you sadden me.

Your 1-shot abilities could have really helped and instead you blew them on a 'trap'

and acted obtuse all day.

OK, this is a great example of why your posts come across as fake to me. You have no idea what his 1-shot powers were, yet you are trying to paint this as some big letdown for the town.

syndromeofadown, have you played with MoI before?

[Shmugen]

@Slandaar: Admittedly so, at least partially. I voted you because I found Magna convincing, distrust anyone who starts up a 1v1 discussion, and found your playstyle annoying.

@Kdub: Just stating the facts, Kdub. Slandaar could have talked his way out of his situation had he given his arguments some care and thought and evidence. As he is now mod-confirmed town, his 1-shot abilities are very unlikely to have helped scum, and we no longer have them.

[splitfarvle]

With Salandaar off the table, I think Peregrine is scummier than WC.

UNVOTE: ooba
VOTE: PeregrineV

While he brought up some good points about Fennin/BBmolla, I don't think his motivation came from a town perspective. Had I been playing from the beginning, I think I would have left the breadcrumb alone until more info came to light.

[splitfarvle]

Slandaar- shmugen, Shadow Dancer, Sword_of_omens, Nexus, Andrius (L-6)

Vote: Nexus

Iecerint would also entertain Andy as a lynch. If Nexus flips scum, Iecerint suspects shmugen due to Nexus comments about shmugen/Kurtis.

While I'm glad someone else suspects Andrius, where does your vote for Nexus come from? You haven't mentioned him before that I can find.

[PeregrineV]

And I am fully against any wagoning of WC

that wagon needs to disperse and fast

PV wagons ok

But no more are we lynching WC or me today

so you scumbags need to move your votes to shmugen/SD/Nexus/Magna

and maybe PV if you can give good reasons

PV wagon not ok, since I'm town.

PV can also move his vote to me thereby cancelling any effect my vote has

Why would I vote you when your confirmed town?

Slandaar, you sadden me. Your 1-shot abilities could have really helped and instead you blew them on a 'trap' and acted obtuse all day.

Unvote

VOTE: PeregrineV

As for MoI, the idea of him being scum seems feasible, but if so, he's stellar at making scum MoI look like town MoI. He's certainly not a day 1 lynch for me. I like the majority of my company on the Peregrine wagon.

Thank you for placing your 2nd vote in the game on myself. Considering your reads, etc. you have provided day1 and my alignment this game, I'll consider this a scum claim.

With Salandaar off the table, I think Peregrine is scummier than WC.

UNVOTE: ooba
VOTE: PeregrineV

While he brought up some good points about Fennin/BBmolla, I don't think his motivation came from a town perspective. Had I been playing from the beginning, I think I would have left the breadcrumb alone until more info came to light.

Thank you for placing

your

2nd vote in the game on myself. Considering your reads, etc. you have provided day1 and my alignment this game, I'll consider this a scum claim.

How they hell did you guys manage to mirror each other, including your ISOs? It's scumtasitcal!

@Slandaar- I'll not lynch BBmolla or WC today, however I'll let you pick between Shmugen, splitfarvl, or MoI.
Nexus just seems to be your choice for his tunneling on you so far, because his posts are mostly null to me.
Shadow is being replaced, so I'll give the replacer a chance to contribute.

[Iecerint]

While I'm glad someone else suspects Andrius, where does your vote for Nexus come from? You haven't mentioned him before that I can find.

Iecerint had not looked into him because Iecerint's initial 110% town Slandaar read had weakened enough that, at the very least, Iecerint did not put much stock into Slandaar's PoV.

After Slandaar again became 110% town, Iecerint reinvestigated Nexus, and Iecerint thinks that Nexus both reads scum and has potential dependencies to other players, so Iecerint feels comfy voting to lynch him.

Peregrine appears scummy to me, but the ease of the lynch makes me feel very wary, so Iecerint is voting elsewhere. Also, the increase in Slandaar votes as Slandaar's case on Nexus escalated is circumstantially persuasive to Iecerint.

[Iecerint]

Makes Iecerint feel very wary*.

[Nexus]

unvote

Going back to sleep. It's 2am. I don't know what's real anymore.

[syndromeofadown]

Your case was interesting up until here. This was explained several times - the blaster thing is NOT an extra lynch.

For the record I think the explanations given are bad. I think blaster talk should be treated just as seriously as lynching during the day. I think comparing it to a vig kill is misleading. Tomorrow we should probably put more serious thought into it and have everyone discuss it rather than just casually mentioning it in passing.

Unless there's a massive COW push in the imediate future then I doubt he's getting lynched today. Are you willng to vote him? Is anybody?

Eh sorry, I definitely would have supported a Hasdgfas lynch if it weren't for deadline and I wasn't so sure of MoI scum. A good blaster kill target.

@Syndrome %u2013 you probably need to weigh in with an opinion on Post 549 in your next offering to the thread.

What about it? I'm going to assume you linked to the wrong post because I don't think there's anything to comment on.

syndromeofadown, have you played with MoI before?

Eh, not really. Some Meta tell I should know about?

Since we're extremely close to deadline and we haven't come to a consensus over who to blaster tonight, I wouldn't mind giving control over to Slandaar just to ensure we get a town directed kill. I'm thinking tonight we could have Slandaar post 2-3 targets, and whoever has the blasters make their own individual pick out of those of who to shoot. That way everyone with a blaster gets to weigh in but we don't have to risk everyone shooting randomly. Any objections to that? Or would you feel more comfortable with him giving only 1 target?

@Slandaar 3 blaster targets. Go!

[hasdgfas]

I would feel more comfortable with having the blaster people just pick who to shoot. Especially with slandaar's play today. Confirmed town means nothing as far as credibility of reads.

[BBmolla]

Another evasion. You're doing a great job racking those up. And sarcasm aside, you continue to refuse to acknowledge that your explanation for Fennin's play is bogus.

How so?

[Slandaar]

PV you need to claim I thinks

[MagnaofIllusion]

1. Scumslip: Did you even read the last game you modded, in which I was town, where I continually pushed the assumption that we are against a single scum team, until proven otherwise? How the fuck can you call it a scumslip when someone says "Scumbuddies" Day 1. That's the most bogus thing I've ever seen. Are you really telling me that we should be playing under the assumption that there multiple scum teams? That's bullshit. You play to the standard until proven otherwise.

No I’m saying you, as Town, shouldn’t be playing under ANY assumptions Day 1. Like assuming there is only 1 scum-team. Yet you harped on the “we can’t be buddies” angle more strongly than makes sense. Hell scum bus and you know this since you keep saying you have to ‘check my meta’ (which I notice you haven’t actually done, or at least no evidence you did it exists in thread). So why would you and Peregrine’s ‘suspicion’ of each other mean anything to anyone pre-flips? On top of your other play your ‘Why can’t we be buddies” dings my scum-dar as possible inside information slipping out.

2. Questioning BB: Yeah, his panic claim was suspicious. You ever heard of Rhetorical Questions? There's a good example. Now that that's cleared up let's look at your accusations. You said, I left room for BB to be scum in my wording:

"Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum."

Damn straight I did. Do you know he isn't scum? The intended meaning of that statement is pretty clear, I think Peregrine is scum and that probably means BB isn't. Oh wait MoI, we might be playing multiball right? So me making associative assumptions are scumslips right?

Yes, I have heard of Rhetoric Questions. They don’t serve any purpose for Scum-hunting. Why would you flood that post commenting with BB with what is equivalanetly fluff?

I don’t think he’s scum. I’ve yet to see anything that indicates it to me in his play. Of course ANYONE can be scum and barring Masons or other roles there is no such thing as 100% certainty. The issue I have is that you are going out of your way to say “I could be wrong”. If your were uncertain as Town you could have said “I’ve got no clue on BB at this point …” and waited for the relational flip of Peregrine to hit.

So you said town with new information can change their opinion, but when I change my opinion its manufactured. How do you differentiate between manufactured and uniformed townie reads?

How do I differentiate? It’s called looking for scum. I see scum intent in your posts both pre and post crash. Do you not understand I think you are scum at this stage?

4. Flip flopping vs. Tunneling: So you're saying you flip flopped on Ooba and Andy? You must be scum. As far as important events, read the posts, people have and have not contributed in differing amounts. I'm not going to go through the thread and point out every single post I think might have some significance. The fact is that I don't see you getting a scum read on someone and then realizing, "Oh hey, they might actually be town".

Once scum forever scum in your book and I can tell you the scum motivation in that pretty easily.

Oh, so you can’t provide me with anything to point to that is obvious that I should have noticed and said “Hey, Wrath is not scum” as a result of. That’s what I’m asking for.

My Town-read on Andy and ooba changed because they have failed to continue playing to their Town-meta this game.

The bolded is a complete lie and trying to sell it as fact is Strawmanning.

5. Syndrome Points against MoI:
-White-Knighting/Scumbuddy preservation on Malee Day 1 Pre-Crash
-Attacking Slandaar for lurking after Reboot when other players did the same or worse
-Making OBV Town calls with little to no reasoning
-The push on Iec who apparently has a debilitating posting restriction. Seriously, posting restrictions suck and one as serious as Iec's appears to be can easily suck out motivation to post.
-Halting of Blaster Strategy

Point 1 isn’t valid since, you know, we don’t have a flip on that slot. Cow flips scum and you can make that argument. Otherwise you are attributing scum play to something that doesn’t come from scum more than Town – Town are fully capable of seeing a crap attack and pointing it out.

Point 2 – SHOW ME WHERE OTHER PLAYERS DID NOT POST IN THIS THREAD OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME WHILE POSTING ELSEWHERE ON SITE. I’m tired of people claiming it happened when it hasn’t. Put up or shut up.

Point 3 – Not a scum tell. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Point 4 – Iec doesn’t have a ‘debilitating’ post restriction. The only impact it has is that he has to replace personal pro-nouns with his name. That’s something that is easily handled in a word processing program with the Replace feature. It also doesn’t prevent him from pointing out why OTHERS are scummy. Yet Iec is leaning on that crutch (if it even exists) to basically active lurk. It’s rather bullshit and I’m not going to let him pretend he can’t accompany a ‘list of scum’ with reasons simply for this ‘Post restriction’. So once again, not a scum-tell.

Point 5 – Pro-Town on every level.

So, yeah, what you like really isn’t indicative of scum play. It’s why you keep my vote.

MoI obviously is speaking out against Blaster Strategy, but it is only to "Appear Townie" because he doesn't really mean it. How many times has he included, "PEW PEW PEW PEW" in his posts. This is subtle influencing on blaster strategies. While publicly speaking against it, he is in fact trying to control or guide blaster shots with those comments.

Oh look – Strawmanning on the highest order. Having a systematic, organized Blaster-strategy is not Pro-Town. I’ll already linked you one game highlighting why.

But here you are pretending my pointing out who I am considering shooting in the face at Night is ‘subtly’ influencing people. Bullshit. Nothing subtle about it. I’m not saying “ONLY THESE PEOPLE CAN BE SHOT”. That’s stupid and Anti-Town. I’m letting my suspicions be made clear.

6. 7 Point 529 Post: Since when does ever point need to include a alignment read. Why can I not just discuss current events with out fear of being called scum for it? Let's go with your accusation that Points 1, 3, 4, and 7 are non-important (I'll address that further), you agree that point 2 and 5 do reflect reads of mine. Two reads in one post!

At that point that's more content than Peregrine, Shadow, Nexus, Ooba, Midnight and Iec

combined had contributed over the previous couple of days.

Why are you discussing fluff that isn’t scum-hunting (which you pretty much cop to in this response) if you are Town? No reason. If you had just posted 2 and 5 then I could see that as honest scum-hunting. Instread you pad your posts with stuff that says to me “Look at me I’m Pro-Town providing lots and lots of content” when the content is well over 50% not relevant to scum-hunting.

The bolded is interesting Cognitive Dissoance specifically in regards to Iec – you’ve been waving the “Poor Iec” flag around saying “Lay off” yet here you are trying to say you are Town for superior content “TO IEC”. DOES NOT COMPUTE!

[MagnaofIllusion]

Had to break up my post due to 500, more posts incoming ...


I’ll be LA after 4pm EDT today for weekend family duties so I’ll have my vote positioned where it is going to be at deadline by that point.

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I wanted to get votes but didnt expect so many

Well perhaps this says your play is not a Obv-Town as you expect. You probably need to adjust your expectations.

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3. I say that at some point, we are going to have to lynch BB. How is this a non-important comment? Do you disagree MoI?

Nope, I disagree wholeheartedly. You saying “we are going to have to lynch him simply for his claim” makes no sense. BB only needs to be considered for lynchingif Town is approaching a hypothetical LYLO situation or if he plays scummy before then. Why would you lynch him if he looks Town and we lynch / kill scum rapidly?

4. Peregrine continually being worhtless furthers my belief he is scum, so go ahead a scratch this from your "No alignment Reads list" and put it in the Reads category. So chalk another misrep up to our misrep leader, MoI!

Being worthless isn’t a scum-tell. DERP.

7. This is me saying we should blaster the content lite as we are more likely to get information from lynching active posters. If anything it should get the lighter posters to be more active and we save ourselves the trouble of lynching lurkers. How is this a non-important comment? Do you disagree MoI?

Players with Blasters should choose to shoot who they think are the best targets based on the flips that have occurred. Period.

Be that a lurker who looks scummy or a scummy looking active player.

Now to address, my "fence sit" on Andy. So I saw some scummy things and some townie things, this game is hard and I'm not blessed with MoI's god-given gift to be certain a player is either town or scum. I find that this type of gift is enlightened when the player already knows who is town and who is scum.

Empty rhetoric. Your play is scummy. Sorry that offends your delicate sensabilities.

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You have 2 top scumreads, one has a wagon, one doesn't. You have a wagon on yourself as well. Deadline is in 12hrs or so...if a no lynch occurs, top votes gets lynched...
try to lynch the scumread with a wagon? or try and lead a lynch your scumread without?

MoI doesn’t worry about his only life and concentrates on pushing his scum-reads not worrying about whether pushing will result in a back-lash on himself.

If Wrath felt that Peregrine was really scummy he'd be focusing his attention on him. Instead he's more worried about responding to me. If my suggestions were as obv-bad as he seems to be trying to assert he shouldn't be using 100% of his energy trying to show why.

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Fine, I just wanted your clear stance on this. Scum get caught through blown fakeclaims fairly often though. I strongly disagree that this is a town tell.

Town also get lynched when people claim they ‘botched’ their claims also. I’ll like to know where you get your statistical evidence that it happens to scum more than Town.

So I’m calling you on this. Show me one other example in a Non-Marathon game of scum getting caught with a ‘blown’ fake-claim Day 1 after crumbing heavily Day 1.

I’ll be waiting.

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

WrathChild

- Ooba, NeroCain, 4nxi3ty, MagnaofIllusion(L-7)

PeregrineV

- WrathChild, BBmolla, hasdgfas, brinzingre1, shmugen, splitfarvle (L-5)

BBmolla

- Kdub (L-10)

Slandaar

- Shadow Dancer, Andrius (L-9)

Nexus

- Slandaar, Iecerint (L-9)

MagnaofIllusion

- syndromeofadown (L-10)

hasdgfas

- PeregrineV (L-10)

With 20 alive, its 11 to lynch.

~Deadline is set for tonight at 10 P.M. Central Time.~

[MagnaofIllusion]

1.

It's not your case on him later on that I have a problem with, it's the fact that you pushed THIS PARTICULAR POINT extremely hard.

Yes you did post an actual case on him based on more evidence SEVERAL DAYS LATER, and that was well after you realized nobody would sheep you based on what you posted before.
You also don't seem to have any problem with SD or andrius avoiding the thread, meaning you're being selective in the way you're handing out your scumreads. My best guess? You didn't like the way Slandaar was getting suspicious of you and this is the only thing you could think of to try and discredit him and look like you're scumhunting.

The bolded is backtracking. You said my case on him was pretty much bullshit. Now it’s not that the case was bad it was just a simple point. If you think I would be worried about Slandaar being suspicious of me you probably have to do a little more reading of games …

2. You've yet to see the logical explanation beyond the logical explanation that he's already given you? What exactly do you think is illogical about it?

Well I was trying to give Slandaar the benefit of the doubt and not suggest he was a Derp. Clearly he’s Town so that was a bad move on my part.

3. You know as well as I do that it's impossible for me to do that. But to me they're just as guilty of "avoiding the thread" as Slandaar was. Now tell me why you never commented on their absense or accused them of being scum for being too stupid to type mafiascum.net into the address bar. What is your official policy on lurkers?

This is an epic level strawman. Congrats.

1. If you can’t show that Shadow and Andrius were exhibiting behavior that I was pointing out as scummy (posting on site in multiple places over a period of 5+ days while not posting in thread here) why do you keep suggesting my behavior doesn’t align? Either show that Andrius and Shadow were posting on site but avoiding this thread for an extended period or stop trying to suggest their behavior was equivalent.

The issue isn’t the not posting. Had Slandaar simply not posted for 5 days after the thread opened back up I would not have thought thing 1 about it. It was the specifically not posting here while posting elsewhere on site that is the issue.

2. Again … I’ve checked on others who are absent. Shadow and Andrius (also ooba, why don’t you mention him perchance?) were not posting on site when they were not posting here. Pretty simple process.

2) I just meant that when the new thread was reopened, all votes were erased and

pretty much everyone was posting like they were clueless and forgot about what's going on.

Why would scum be afraid of posting when they could easily use this opportunity of a confused town to cause chaos or give themselves a better first impression? What exactly do you think was Slandaar afraid of?

I very much so suggest that the bolded isn’t accurate at all. I certainly didn’t lose my ‘suspicions’ and others felt the same.

I can show you many examples of players who were suspected (which Slandaar was, the archives clearly show multiple players voting or engaging with him) avoiding threads while posting elsewhere on site and being scum. Your suggestion that it doesn’t happen is laughable.

No, you have not explained anything at all. You have said some generic blanket statements but nothing concrete. If it is so obvious you should be able to point out exactly which posts have these hidden town-tells that everybody except you keeps missing. You should also be able to explain why they are town tells so that people will understand and agree not to lynch said townsperson. This is being a good townie 101.

This makes me chuckle. Shadow is obv-Town for

A. Having thought process that echoed my own in the original thread (similar reads and suspicions). I’m Town. When I see someone thinking along similar lines to me I think odds are great they are also Town since they are approaching things from a Town perspective.
B. Playing to Town-Shadow meta from multiple games I’ve shared with him (Andy’s Olympus Mafia and Back to the Future Mafia being best examples).

You don’t think that’s ‘good Town’ enough? Not my problem. The whole ‘You should share so Town doesn’t mislynch them’ also is funny. Shadow is under zero pressure. I’m busy hunting scum not worrying about someone under no pressure being lynched.

YOU were the one who suggested this. Or do you not remember page 6 of the archives? When Slandaar attacked Malee for postng a list of names with no reasons why they are scum you lashed at Slandaar. You say that Malee was posting content, but Iec is posting non content. Tell me, how is what Iec posted any different from what Malee posted? Why is he accused of being scum for it and why is Malee patted on the back? Hypocrisy, like I said earlier.

Fucking bullshit. Malee posted multiple posts with her insight into people’s early play reads from that. That’s far and away different than Iecerint simply listing 4 players with NOTHING AT ALL ELSE IN THE POST.

The fact that you are trying to draw an Apples to Apples comparision here is scummy as fuck.

I understand what you were trying to say, but I find the wording of it suspicious. You essentially are saying there are only two options:

It’s a theoretical discussion used to show that ‘Town Directing of Vigs is BAD BAD BAD”.

Did you read the link in question? Where I as Town had the exact same argument with people and where directing the Vig led no scum Deaths?

The fact that you mentioned goons in particular is highly suspect to me, when nothing at all in the OP suggests it.

I’m still waiting for that link to a Large Theme game that doesn’t have at least one Mafia Goon. Until I see it I’m going to continue to think that you made a terrible planned attack that you are trying to slowly extricate yourself from.

I'll just have to point you to Post 561 where slandaar explains it a lot more ellegantly than I could. If Mafia get blasters then we're screwed since they can concentrate their shots in one place.

Slandaar may be Town but he’s wrong. We can feel free to disagree but I’ve got every occasion I’ve ever seen of directing Power-roles early on backing me up.

In summary
1) MoI thinks my post is fluff
2) MoI is trying to discredit my attack on him by calling me scum, as well as "a spoiled 13 year old child"
3) MoI has not made an effort to defend his actions other than tactics like 1) and 2)
4) MoI is scum.

Well let’s see in response –

1. It was fluff.
2. I’m using the exact same tactics as you? So your own insulting tone was Town? Cognitive Dissonance away!
3. Clearly incorrect.
4. Lulz. No.

PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW

For the record I think the explanations given are bad. I think blaster talk should be treated just as seriously as lynching during the day.

I think comparing it to a vig kill is misleading.

Tomorrow we should probably put more serious thought into it and have everyone discuss it rather than just casually mentioning it in passing.

Bolded – No, that’s exactly what it is … a Group Vig kill held in the vast majority (if not 100%) by Town's control. Any direction of the kill only helps scum to shape the discussion. End of story.

What about it? I'm going to assume you linked to the wrong post because I don't think there's anything to comment on.

Because it shows your lack of concern with Anxiety both –

1. Giving Peregrine a Town reads with no-explanation.
2. Suggesting that a single vote on Andrius was ‘pressure’

In your ‘case’ (and I use the term loosly) on my you attacked me for not giving reasons for my Town read on Shadow and for suggesting Slandaar who was suspected by a least three people was under pressure.

So you don’t blink at Anxiety for not giving reasons for his Town read but just called me obv-scum for the exact same offense.

And he’s suggesting that a single vote on someone constitutes viable pressure which you clearly disagree with.

It’s like you don’t honestly think those things are scum-tells but thought you could make them stick to me as such.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI scum would not really surprise Iecerint, but Iecerint understands where Slandaar/WrathC are coming from on giving him a little bit of benefit of the doubt.

Likewise I would not be surprised at all that you were scum faking a post restriction to avoid having to scum-hunt. But future days and Force-Powers I’m sure can sort this out worse comes to worse.

Peregrine appears scummy to me, but the ease of the lynch makes me feel very wary, so Iecerint is voting elsewhere.

I’d like you to elaborate on how you can find any lynch ‘easy’ given that no-one looks to have gotten anywhere near even L-3 today up until the deadline push?

[Slandaar]

The issue is magna;
My explanation was very clearly plausible. There is no ifs or buts, It was a unique situation and you did not consider my explanation as truth when there was no real reason to doubt it so much. If your case on me was so fantastic you could have dropped the one terrible point and pushed the others but you didn't. It seems like you did not want to figure my alignment out and instead just wanted the lynch.

[Slandaar]

Also the blaster stuff I really dont care about
I just posted that to 'slip' VT to see if anyone would leave me alone.
Whos push on me drops off noticeably after I post that? yep, Magna.

[Shmugen]

I'm reasonably happy with my vote on Peregrine and have obligations between 5:15 and 9:30 central time, so I should be back in the wee hours.