D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[DeathNote]

Actually.... Not locking thread so feel few to continue with day one for a bit longer.

[Shmugen]

Let us know when you're done if you're sticking to the old rule or the new rule, DeathNote. If sticking to the new, a deadline extension would be appreciated.

[DeathNote]

Ok I am back.

I feel like it is time for me to put on my big boy pants now and address the players of this game.

First off, thank you so much for dealing with the issues this game has had thus far. I have never had to deal with so many replacements before and I understand why things are tough for everyone and I hope you understand why they are tough for me.

Now I feel there is something I need to reiterate...

I am the Moderator

. I know my rules were placed and I now realize that what I said originally contradicts what I said a few hours ago. So because I dont want to cause more headaches for everyone, here is what I am going to do.

"The Deadline will be extended an additional 48 hours with the current rule in effect. At the deadline, a no lynch will occur if players have not reached a majority lynch on someone."

The reasoning for this is because there are so many replacements in this game and so much confusion so I dont want to give one side or another an advantage with a deadline lynch. Please no one else contradict me with this or question my motives. Things will work better if you just trust me to run the game and enjoy what is presented to you. Thank you all for you cooperation and enjoy the next 48 hours of Day 1.

[Shmugen]

Thank you very kindly for the update and the extension, Mod. I hope no disrespect was inferred from my postings.

48 hours to hash out a plan. Cow claimed a bit early for my tastes, but it doesn't seem crazy. I did a quick scan of the archived game. The .rar in the first post is missing pages 5 and 7. Page 5 should have had some Cow/Malee growling at votes, but has been lost to tigers. Malee growls at every vote on him except for one by some forcibly replaced person named Armored Saint, in which case he posts again immediately with the growl. The Mod later states to ignore everything Armored Saint has said, so I doubt there was any punishment for failed post restriction. Do you know anything about that, Cow?

Unvote

[PeregrineV]

Obviously we are not lynching BB. He's way too valuable for town if we can confirm him, which is not unlikely.

Per gets a lot of newb leeway from me (based on recent game experience with him), but even with that I cannot really see how he could possibly really believe in the bullshit case he was trying to push on BB.

Show me the case I pushed on BBmolla=scum. All I did was ask a question and expect an honest answer.

Thoughts on WC and Kdub?

And why would you consider syndrome lynch at all?

[PeregrineV]

~No lynch occurs if a lynch is not established by 10:00 P.M. central time.~

I thought it was a deadline lynch.

Ah well, what can you do.

No, not oh well. Might as well vote day 1 no Lynch peregrine. The op specifically said vote leader is lynched. I'm 95% certain. Please someone go back and check the archive. I can't from phone. Day 1 no lynch is awful.

PS Nero. I'd still vote cow. But I'm still, like I was last time stuck until people get off my wagon.

I'm talking about the claim. If it was a no lynch, I wouldn't have claimed.

[PeregrineV]

I'm back. By my math, we have 15 minutes. Disappointed to hear about the rule change about lynch deadline. I'm a little happier with a PeregrineV wagon after his ease at not having a lynch.

Unvote

VOTE: PV

No.
Explained above.

[PeregrineV]

Got to be a better lynch than Chewie.

Unvote.

But to hear him growl..

Vote: HasCow

Unvote

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[Nero Cain]

Shmugen or WC?

[hasdgfas]

Cow claimed a bit early for my tastes, but it doesn't seem crazy.

Still thought it was deadline day at that point, would you rather I waited until there wasn't time for a wagon change?

Got to be a better lynch than Chewie.

Unvote.

But to hear him growl..

Vote: HasCow

Unvote

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I mean, I could growl if you want me to, but there's no vote for me to growl at when you remove it before I have a chance to growl at it.

[Kdub]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BBmolla

Going to keep my vote here in case this gets traction. If not, I will switch at the deadline.

...You still think I'm scum based off of my claim?

The problems with your claim on top of Fennin's previous scumminess was the original reason I voted you, but your continued evasiveness has contributed to strengthening my scum read on you. You still have not addressed the contradiction I quoted. You spent several posts avoiding my questions and trying to turn mostly irrelevant questions on me instead. Your activity has dropped and you have done zero scumhunting since I started attacking you. Stop acting like a victim here, your reactions are not town in the slightest.

kdubs defense of hascow in 555 is noted

I was questioning your case rather than outright defending him, but for the record, I don't have a scum read on him. I still don't see how you get "obvscum" on him based on the reasons you cited, which are hardly conclusive.

I'm COUNT DOOKU. And I know how it's pronounced, but c'mon. We all know what it sounds like.
Anyways, my primary ability is force lightning. It lights people up, letting other visitors "follow" them the next time that person is visited.

Meh, the claim is at least provable, but it's not particularly pro-either alignment. It's not going to make me hesitate to vote you to prevent a no lynch at deadline if that's what it comes down to.

@Slandaar - What one-shot abilities did you lose by getting mod confirmed? You seemed somewhat reticent to enact your ability to be confirmed, but also claimed you were setting a trap from early on.

Slandaar, do not answer this unless you have a good reason to. splitfarvle gets scum points for asking.

Obviously we are not lynching BB. He's way too valuable for town if we can confirm him, which is not unlikely.

For the last time, BB only claimed immunity to blasters and force powers. Unless you know the scum kill methods fall under these categories, then he is not bulletproof.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BBmolla

Going to keep my vote here in case this gets traction. If not, I will switch at the deadline.

...You still think I'm scum based off of my claim?

The problems with your claim on top of Fennin's previous scumminess was the original reason I voted you, but your continued evasiveness has contributed to strengthening my scum read on you. You still have not addressed the contradiction I quoted. You spent several posts avoiding my questions and trying to turn mostly irrelevant questions on me instead. Your activity has dropped and you have done zero scumhunting since I started attacking you. Stop acting like a victim here, your reactions are not town in the slightest.

Don't even know what you're referring to. Forgive me for not even recalling what it is. I haven't had time to scumhunt.

For the last time, BB only claimed immunity to blasters and force powers. Unless you know the scum kill methods fall under these categories, then he is not bulletproof.

Please name three other possible and plausible scum kill methods.

[Kdub]

1. Because normally I just claim my role so I'd say "I'd need to claim role," but because that wouldn't work I decided to use "I'd need to fullclaim all my abilities." Force Pull doesn't matter all that much, but

if I'm claiming the other two there isn't really a reason not to claim it.

It also makes sense synergy-wise with my abilities.

The bolded is what you said, yet it is not what you did when you claimed. You left out the Force Pull claim. That is the contradiction I am talking about.

I haven't had time to scumhunt.

Yet you've had time to scumhunt in other games and post in GD. Look at your own iso prior to April 8 and compare it to your posts since then. The level of scumhunting basically fell off a cliff.

Please name three other possible and plausible scum kill methods.

Lightsabers, thermal detonators, force pikes, concussion missiles, proton torpedoes, getting eaten by a rancor, ...should I go on? There could easily be oddball kill methods that I couldn't even think of. And, let's suppose for a second that your assumption was right and that the scum could only kill through force powers or blasters. There are many characters in Star Wars who don't use blasters or the Force. If your assumption were true, a massclaim would immediately clear those players. You don't see a problem with that?

[BBmolla]

The bolded is what you said, yet it is not what you did when you claimed. You left out the Force Pull claim. That is the contradiction I am talking about.

I claimed it 8 posts later. It's clear that my thought process wasn't "I'm going to claim two and hide this one." it's "These are my abilities and why he breadcrumbed you twats! Oh yeah, forgot, this less important ability too that I feel fine claiming because I don't care."

Yet you've had time to scumhunt in other games and post in GD. Look at your own iso prior to April 8 and compare it to your posts since then. The level of scumhunting basically fell off a cliff.

My ISO in other games? Or this one? My activity was shot in all my games cause I'm a complete retard and replaced into a ton to help even though I didn't have time for them all. Posting in GD takes a very different time effort than rereading/scumhunting.

Lightsabers, thermal detonators, force pikes, concussion missiles, proton torpedoes, getting eaten by a rancor, ...should I go on? There could easily be oddball kill methods that I couldn't even think of. And, let's suppose for a second that your assumption was right and that the scum could only kill through force powers or blasters. There are many characters in Star Wars who don't use blasters or the Force. If your assumption were true, a massclaim would immediately clear those players. You don't see a problem with that?

If you think I'm scum, why do you think I would not know the scum kill method? There isn't something right with your logic buddy.

[brizingre1]

Right, with the deadline approaching, I would be happy with lynching Nero Cain, PereV, or Kdub.

PereV pretty much for earlier reasons and for the fact that his role claim could just have easily have been a scum role

Kdub because something seems off about the way he's pushing for a BB lynch

And Nero would actually be my top suspect, his case on Malee's slot for changing her avatar is awful, and he seems slightly scummy all round.

[Iecerint]

Kdub is obvtown.

[Slandaar]

Iece is obvtown

[Nero Cain]

this is a "oh look Kdub and Nero are trying to do things so they are scummy but I'm going to blatantly bandwagon."

[Slandaar]

OK, I admit that I suck... But obviously Slan becoming conftown screwed up my main scum read and the big post I was preparing to further explain that read...

See this is why SD is scum.

He hadnt written said post at what a couple hours before deadline?

He clearly had no intention of writing it before deadline, if I got lynched he wouldnt have either as shown by him not writing it now im claimed.

Did he care about who was lynched then? no, not really. If he was sure im scum (and hes town) he should have got his case out, he did not.

[Shmugen]

I haven't liked any of my interaction with Nero. Even when I attempted to be civil, my questions were ignored and his tunneling continued. His signature would lead me to believe he's better scum than this, but I'm willing to take a gamble. As it stands, he's not adding too much to the discussion anyway.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Slandaar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nexus

We can still lynch scum today

Nexus is that scum

[Iecerint]

YAYYYYY

Unvote
Vote: Nexus

PARTY TIME. EXCELLENT.

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

WrathChild

- Ooba, MagnaofIllusion(L-9)

PeregrineV

- WrathChild, BBmolla, hasdgfas, brinzingre1, splitfarvle , Shadow Dancer(L-5)

BBmolla

- Kdub (L-10)

Slandaar

- Andrius (L-10)

hasdgfas

- PeregrineV, NeroCain, syndromeofadown (L-8)

syndromeofadown

- 4nxi3ty (L-10)

NeroCain

- shmugen (L-10)

Nexus

- Slandaar, Iecerint (L-9)

With 20 alive, its 11 to lynch.

[4nxi3ty]

meh

unvote,vote: Nexus

[Nero Cain]

Malee was fear mongering like newb town/scum.

SK was generally fucking useless and did

NOT

seem like the town SK that I played with http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19103

Slanddar flopping

I believe the "I posted in the reboot thread and didn't check it later", because I've done the same thing he's claiming to do.

Maybe its just me but I would think his "oh look someone is doing something I did!!!" would make him lean towards whatever alligment he was. It also seems to me that he should have posted whatever alignment he was.

he then states that Sland is null.

then Sland is a scum read for some weak ass reason.

then he reveals that he was town when he did what Sland did. This is not town motivation to me. "Oh look!!! Sland is doing exactly what I did as town but I'm not going to give him a town read or even lean town on him."

And then we find out both PV and WC are higher scum reads and that he's only "worried about" Slandaar after he more or less called Slandaar scum and WC and Shumgen are higher scum reads when he didn't even mention them? This leads me to....

manufactured reads/WC and Shmugen distancing

PV and Sland were the leading wagons at the time so I'm not suprised to see them there. He doesn't even mention Shcumgen, WC or Iece but he was willing to mention his other scum reads and even some non scum reads? Yeah this list is bad. The fact that I have an independent scum read on WC and Shumgen and hascow seem to be buddying/distancing from WC makes me think those three are prob scum. When cow called WC scum and said Shumgen was leaning scum, Shumgen had absolutly no responce and WC's only one was asking hascow to clarify if he thought WC and PV were scumbuddies.

@ cow please explain WC, Shumgen, and iece scum reads?

PV wagon vote

The wagon is littered with scum. Take note that shmugen is now trying to distance himself from said wagon. Its only natural that he[cow] gets scum points for being on it. Just look at his vote.

He kept pushing and pushing, and there's no town reason to push like that right now.

To me this seems like inside information. If PV found BB the scummiest it his due dilligence to push whom he thinks is scum. When I read this it sounds very much like "NOPE!!!! PV is wrong. Lets lynch him for being wrong."

+Kdub is essiantly doing the samething. He's pushing a BB lynch b/c he doesn't like the claim. He holds one person scummy for pushing a lynch while the other isn't.


and since then he's really done nothing but defend himself.

I don't know what you are talking about Shmugescum. I answered all your questions. What do you think I missed?

But since you like questions so much....please explain the following.

I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied. Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

VOTE: PeregrineV

What changed between these two posts?