D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[Nero Cain]

Now that we know Slandaar is town, don't you think scum would have pushed his lynch harder rather than putting him below WC/Shmugen who you think he was distancing from?

ummm no. That would be a dead give away. Only scum want confirm town dead. If you meant before Sland was confirmed then maybe, I can kinda see your point. But for the sake of the argument lets say those 3 are buddies, giving a higher scum read to your buddies pushes cow farther away. If PV gets lynched and his[cows] vote isn't on WC tomorrow then I think its a dead give away.

@Shmugen-but kdub wants a dead BB today too. I don't get the selective scumhunting.

you had a town read on PV but you dropped it, you had a scum read on WC but you dropped that and gave him a town read. As far as I can tell you only have a town read on BB. Is this true?

@Kdub: Just stating the facts, Kdub. Slandaar could have talked his way out of his situation had he given his arguments some care and thought and evidence. As he is now mod-confirmed town, his 1-shot abilities

are very unlikely to have helped scum, and we no longer have them.

I don't get it....

[Shmugen]

@Shmugen-but kdub wants a dead BB today too. I don't get the selective scumhunting.

you had a town read on PV but you dropped it, you had a scum read on WC but you dropped that and gave him a town read. As far as I can tell you only have a town read on BB. Is this true?

@Kdub: Just stating the facts, Kdub. Slandaar could have talked his way out of his situation had he given his arguments some care and thought and evidence. As he is now mod-confirmed town, his 1-shot abilities

are very unlikely to have helped scum, and we no longer have them.

I don't get it....

1. I'm not too keen on kdub pushing hard on BB either, but he took up the reins later on and is tunneling on a particular point. Both of them should have realized a while ago BB is not the lynch for today.
2. I have a good amount of gut feels I haven't announced, as they tend to not be concrete. I haven't dropped my feelings on WC, but they are primarily based on other people's opinions. I highly respect the opinions and scumdar of some of the people I've played with before, namely Magna and Hascow. I watched those type of 'Aha! You've claimed scum!' things carry us to victory in the MST3k mini theme which I believe was completely taken out by the Tiger Strike.
3. That exchange between Kdub and myself was illustrating the silliness of Kdub thinking I had insider info by saying that Slandaar's one-shot powers were probably cool.

[PeregrineV]

Obviously we are not lynching BB. He's way too valuable for town if we can confirm him, which is not unlikely.

Per gets a lot of newb leeway from me (based on recent game experience with him), but even with that I cannot really see how he could possibly really believe in the bullshit case he was trying to push on BB.

Show me the case I pushed on BBmolla=scum. All I did was ask a question and expect an honest answer.

Thoughts on WC and Kdub?

And why would you consider syndrome lynch at all?

@Shadow- Look, questions to you.

[PeregrineV]

What PV specifically did was keep pushing on BB after the claim. While powers are not indicative of alignment, I think at this point the early breadcrumbing from Fennin was a dumb mistake or just for fun rather than scum trying to influence town. The way BB's claim rolled out and how BB handled all that is what changed my mind on the breadcrumbing being scummy. Now, BB claims a power that is advantageous to town and is testable, and PV still wants him dead today.

Shadow has the same misrep. Please point this out, since you have claimed it happened.

[PeregrineV]

I'm feeling like this game is mostly town talking. As even a generic townie has a blaster shot at night, they would be here trying to pinpoint who to shoot/not shoot. The only people who have no need to do this, really, are scum. They already know who they are, and they only have to post to keep up appearances. I'll be looking to the lurkers for scum to be in.

For now, since he's STILL voting town-confirmed,

vote: Andrius

[Nero Cain]

Andy hasn't even posted here...

[Nero Cain]

though he has posted 14 times on the site but not in any games.

[Shmugen]

What PV specifically did was keep pushing on BB after the claim. While powers are not indicative of alignment, I think at this point the early breadcrumbing from Fennin was a dumb mistake or just for fun rather than scum trying to influence town. The way BB's claim rolled out and how BB handled all that is what changed my mind on the breadcrumbing being scummy. Now, BB claims a power that is advantageous to town and is testable, and PV still wants him dead today.

Shadow has the same misrep. Please point this out, since you have claimed it happened.

I'm afraid I don't quite understand. Do you want me to point out where you kept pushing him?

[Shadow Dancer]

Show me the case I pushed on BBmolla=scum. All I did was ask a question and expect an honest answer.
Thoughts on WC and Kdub?
And why would you consider syndrome lynch at all?

So you did harp on the bread crumb thing not because of any allegations of scummyness but just ... because? Oh, great, that's of course much better @_@

Not sure about Kdup, but he really needs to stop overfocussing on BB. I haven't much love for Wrath, but I also cannot see the big dead-giveaway-scumslip on his part... I'd prefer to have an eye on him for another day before I seriously start considering his lynch.

Syndrome came in and made a super biassed, ignorant and forced case on Magna. Looks like scum who tries to impress with an extensive case upon entry, but who showed really bad judgement in chosing his target.

[Kdub]

I find them all very implausible as a scum normal kill.

So when you originally suggested "lightsabers" yourself, you thought it was implausible?

Is drmyshotgun an alt of drmyshotty?

ummm no. That would be a dead give away. Only scum want confirm town dead. If you meant before Sland was confirmed then maybe, I can kinda see your point. But for the sake of the argument lets say those 3 are buddies, giving a higher scum read to your buddies pushes cow farther away. If PV gets lynched and his[cows] vote isn't on WC tomorrow then I think its a dead give away.

Yes I meant before he was confirmed town. I get your distancing point, but this doesn't address why he wouldn't push Slandaar harder than he did.

Looks like Peregrine is the only viable lynch at the moment, even if I dislike the players on the wagon. I think I should be able to check in again about an hour before the deadline, but just in case, I'll put my vote here for now. If a better wagon gets together by then, I will switch to prevent no lynch.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Peregrine

[BBmolla]

So when you originally suggested "lightsabers" yourself, you thought it was implausible?

Yes.

Have you seen Star Wars?

Unless theme supports it, I find it highly unlikely that Mafia stole all the lightsabers in the galaxy and can use them to kill me.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Haven't really got to read this weekend but a quick glance over pages indicates Peregrine is likely the only viable lynch.

UNVOTE: Wrath
VOTE: Peregrine

No lynch Day 1 is terrible ...

[Shadow Dancer]

Actually: Where is Andrius and why does he seem to prefer discussing about DotA in general discussion over being here before deadline and finally making a somewhat useful vote.
It's hard to admit, but Peregrine actually has a valid point there....

[Shadow Dancer]

I'll hang around for about another half an hour. I am not expecting much to happen... But there's always hope I guess...

@DN: Can we probably get another official vote count?

[Shmugen]

In case I get distracted here in the last hours,
VOTE: Peregrine

[Iecerint]

Unvote
Vote: Peregrine

Meh

[Shmugen]

My one big concern with Peregrine is that his power should be testable.

[Nero Cain]

Is drmyshotgun an alt of drmyshotty?

ummm no. That would be a dead give away. Only scum want confirm town dead. If you meant before Sland was confirmed then maybe, I can kinda see your point. But for the sake of the argument lets say those 3 are buddies, giving a higher scum read to your buddies pushes cow farther away. If PV gets lynched and his[cows] vote isn't on WC tomorrow then I think its a dead give away.

Yes I meant before he was confirmed town. I get your distancing point, but this doesn't address why he wouldn't push Slandaar harder than he did.

no. Though its probably an alt that someone made.

*shrugz* I just don't know. All I do know is I have scum reads on Cow and Shmugen. Maybe you're right about BB and scum wanted a dead PV to stop the BB is scum talk, idk.

[Nero Cain]

its 8 cst. I'll hammer in an hour. so one hour for anyone else to add anything.

[Shmugen]

Is he at L-1?

[Nero Cain]

i think so

[Andrius]

Why would me not voting or pressuring BB when he was the most likely counter wagon to me make me scum?

Because you not pushing your own counterlynch shows that you don't WANT to DESPITE calling him your only counterlynch.
Perhaps because you know he's town.
Idk it made more sense last night.
I'll think on it and get back to you.

Yay more votes w/o reasoning yesssss too good.
brizingre needs to fix that.

Sorry, was feeling quite tired, the reason I voted PereV was because firstly I dislike his general play, he's been posting a fair bit of fluff and I dislike his backtrack on WC early on. Secondly I think his pushing a BBMolla lynch is scummy especially before the claim, the way he seemed to say 'I'm going to vote you for your predeccesor breadcrumbing but I don't want you to claim' - what did he expect BB to do?

Not quite what I expected from you.
But that's ok because I was waiting for parrotreasoning that was crap.

@WC- Thanks for that. I'm not scum, I'm cheeky scum? Uh, no.

Re: Slandaar takes a long time for me to read. He multi-posts alot, which I need to read him, but I haven't locked him in as either scum or town yet.

Re: SleepyCow (see what I did there?) -The first post doesn't say anything about the BBMolla claim, which is been one of the hottest topics. And for what all that has gone on both pre-crash and post, the entry was lacking. I figured it was only me, but if others are seeing *something* then I'm not alone.

@syndrome- gut scum coming in, but has hit it spot on with MoI. I usually find MoI opinionated, but syndrome has made points beyond that. His response to syndrome will say alot.

Re: WC case- anyone calling Wrathchild scum, can you point me to your reasons?

@Briz- Honestly, I expected him to tell the truth, not go batshit ape crazy and claim. This is a forum game. If you get that upset, take a walk and come back when you're calmer. And while I'm still out overall on BBMolla, I don;t want to lynch him today.

Unvote.
Vote: hasdgfas

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

I like how he's going "oh, other people think this? I guess I'm allowed to also." Lynch please.

You're starting to remind me of Slandaar.


Nexus is town. From behavior.
Specifically Re: Slandaar.

unvote,vote: Andrius

wat

unvote, vote: shadow

Care to explain?

only up to pg.4 in the archive, scumvibes from Andrius.

up to pg. 9
scumvibes from shadow's tone

pressure is a good excuse as well.

4. Me and Peregrine scumbuddies?: I just thought it was pretty clear that we wanted each other dead and when whats-his-face came in and suggested it I was a bit surprised and asked him to clarify.

A ring-a-ding Wrath makes the exact same slip as Peregrine.

neither are slips, wrath was trying to tie himself to a townie tho.

unvote, Vote: Wrath

Pressure is good.
Obscure votes without a clear chain of thought often confuse fellow players.
I thought your line of voting was scummy as it did not have reasoning for votes. I was apparently mistaken.
Still don't think your manner is ok but clarification is fine.

Pushing too hard" is not scummy, sword_of_omens. Its called being determined. I'd be right there next to him if I were actually on MS.

SoO tunnelvisions Slandaar.
Do you think you're "pushing too hard" on Slandaar yet?
If so, how is Magna pushing Slandaar "too hard" any different from you? (Also you both think he's scum.)
If not, why not?

I'm assuming you mean my reference in post#342:
I thought it was strange that MOI was mainly pushing the whole "you're lying about knowing the thread opened" issue when there were better reasons for Slandaar being scuum and wanted to make a note of it.
Pressure and determination are fine...pushing too hard on that particluar issue seemed a wasted effort....because for me, and probably others, I don't think that it mattered really one way or another whether or not Slandaar knew…like I said Slandaar was scummy for better reasons.

Yes. And you may call me Andy if it suits you.

Magna was pushing for more reasons than one- if you missed them in the past 30 pages it might be a good time to go back and review them.
But focusing on someone you believe to be scum is not scummy. I got the vibe that you were agreeing with the Sland wagon while also setting up a Magna mislynch. I'm not convinced of your response though.

BB is extremely active elsewhere on the site with the deadline coming up soon. I think he is laying low and hoping another wagon gets pushed instead due to deadline pressure. I'm not sure what the current vote count is, but he is still very much a viable lynch given the deadline lynch rules. He has no good answers for the issues with his claim, he reacted in a very evasive and dismissive way to questioning, and he has basically shut it down with regard to posting any content since I've been pushing him. BB is not town.

For the people saying they believe the claim (even if still unsure about BB's alignment), why do you believe the claim?

What was terrible about cow's post that makes him obv scum?

I'm pretty sure I've already explained this. His singular scum read on WC looks like distancing. Nor do I like his leaning pile. I'm interested in why he finds the Slandaar thing so interesting, why he ignored my question, why he called Slandaar town only to have him leaning scum at the end of the post. I'm also interested in the omission of SD from his leaning pile after claiming that he'd vote him but didn't commit to a read and later calls him neutral.

Nope, your iso reveals no previous explanation of this sort. Furthermore, none of these things warrants an "obv scum" read.

Its stuff like this that makes me question Kdub's alignment.
Because his effort is pretty standard across the board, but how he chooses to push people. etc.

Not for long he doesn’t. I certainly vote him today. He’s one of my 4 or 5 acceptable lynches.

Where have you been? Don’t say LOL.

I spent alot of time last week in the Health Center and Radiology because we thought I broke my foot. Tests also didn't help.

This is a good point.

While outguessing DN may not be a worthwhile pursuit I will argue that DN is one of the more brilliant mods when it comes to complicated games and saying that he follows meta is bullshit.
And no I'm not defending him just because I look up to him.

He’s barely active. Andy HATES being scum and in the past he’s been pretty easy to read – a very active Andy is a Town Andy. He’s going to blame LOL for his low levels and AFFC showed he could be fairly passive as Town. I don’t think he’s scum but I don’t think he’s obv-Town at this stage.

I'll concede, my activity here is in a direct negative correlation with my LoL activity.
And I tried to remedy that last week but the weekend happens (and happens early for me) so everything is out the window at that point.

So you are blaming your lack of content and posting on the Post Restriction you are claiming … how ever so quaint ….

*spreads arms wide*

Your case on Nexus is, how shall we say, less than convincing. It is perhaps the least interesting case in this game.

This.

My face when Slandaar is confirmed town.
:/

Unvote

Welp I have no motivation to keep reading as Slandaar is confirmed town.
I'll be back later

after I drown my sorrows

go to church.

fucking hell of all people in the game SLANDAAR?

[Andrius]

Deadline is in under an hour.
And I won't be back in time before that sooooooooo

Nero Cain isn't here to drop the hammer so I'll do it the minute before I leave.

[Nero Cain]

I'm here.

unvote;vote:PV

you should still vote Andy just in case my math is wrong. Hope your foot feels better

[Shmugen]

Your math is correct, Nero.