NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[DeasVail]

Junpei:

Why didn't you realise that it is not the logic of my attack that's important, but the response I get to it?

[Junpei]

Junpei:

Why didn't you realise that it is not the logic of my attack that's important, but the response I get to it?

I can't always be sure of your intention.

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 1-7

(as of Post 751)

rack (6)

- Benmage, The Mini-Librarian, Firestarter, Kublai Khan, Lady Lambdadelta, drmyshotgun

Pine (3)

- scooby, vijay2vasandani, mastin2

Firestarter (3)

- NihilisticNinja, Antihero, redFF

Macros(3)

- Pine, rack, DeasVail

Benmage (2)

- HezLucky, Macros

Nero Cain (2)

- drmyshottyizsik, Maxous

Maxous (1)

- Psyche

redFF (1)

- Junpei

drmyshottyizsik (1)

- GreyICE

GreyICE (1)

- Nero Cain

Not Voting (1)

- FakeGod

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch

Deadline:

Thursday, May 3, 2012 3pm CST

Replacing:

No one

Prods:

NihilisticNinja

V/LAs:

HezLuckyApril 21

10. NihilisticNinja
- "Quote/Premise/conclusion" opening thing read like eagertown
- Heavy LLD defense...
- Hey, where'd he go?
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Mod: prod him?

NihilisticNinja has been on the prod clock 26 hours.

[Maxous]

^These are scumposts. Check out his ISO. Coasting on some early contribution, now cheerleading leading wagons.

Unvote
Vote: Macros

Not liking this post..again.
Stating Macros was "cheerleading leading wagons" is stretchy at best.
He was'nt.

Maxous also bothers me for his sudden jump on the rack wagon, especially given his previous comments on that wagon.

(what comments?)
btw lurking and not contributing when given a chance

are

scum traits

Looking at Jason's long post here... he says pratically nothing, and his reasoning for his scum reads were really weak at best. Well, from what I can understand of them anyway.
I see he replaced out later because he had trouble catching up. Could explain the laziness of his posting I suppose.
Still, it does'nt explain the poor reasoning for his scum reads. Particulary the benmage one.
I wish I could get him to elaborate on some reads but w/e. Looking through his ISO does'nt impress me much either.

Yes, I agree, but people should take a look at Macros' answers to my questions- Scum trying to give reasonable, logical answers, which are actually not what town would think.

I don't see it.
Can you elaborate on this?

@vijay2vasandani - The fact that you're trying to start a counter-wagon on Pine

right now

can only be interpreted as an attempt to get focus off rack so that he can coast without punishment.

If I wasn't pressuring rack for reads, then I'd be with you on Pine. All I'm asking is that you stay your hand for now.

This attack is lame.
Viijay is starting a wagon on his scum suspect..what do you expect him to do instead?
And if you are not calling vijay scum, why bother accusing him of having an ulterior motive to starting the wagon?

Then comes a lot of comic relief posting.

tell me o wise one, why was it important to vote for shotty when there was a healthy bandwagon on Rack?

You called FS scum for doing the exact opposite.
Why are you even asking this question?

I also saw the Firestarter-thinking-Psyche-was-bussing-rack post, and was able to put two-and-two together even before Firestarter
explained himself and the fact that you weren't stupifies me.

Meh, I did'nt get why it specifically looks like a bus. I still don't really get it.
Unless FS is just using confirmation bias of rack-scum to call psyche a busser.

Are you a good player?

Am I good? Not bad enough to get lynched early often, I don't exactly terrorise scumteams with brillaint deduction skills though.
I'm okay I would figure.. idk analysing how skilled you are is a bit awkward =P

Ehh, nothing I want to comment on for the rest of it.

The suspicion on Junpei is probably wrong.
Particulary with the way he attacked red FF, even if I don't agree with the logic used.
Dunno why Junpei-scum would even bother do what he did with ML either. Well, unless he was playing to a meta maybe.

Anyway I don't get why a few people are waiting on Rack for more posts before making a judgement on him.
The guy is intentionally not providing any content in order to avoid creating a bigger mess. Rack-town would of done

something

by now, particulary when you look at his first post of the game.

vote: rack

I'll go through more on why I think Nero Jason and Pine(kinda) are scum when i'm less tired.
Wanna go through KK and Ninja again also.

[DeasVail]

Maxous:

When town think someone is scum they want people to agree with them. Macros, on the other hand, seemed to be trying to avoid saying yes to my questions, instead giving answers that would objectively be considered more logical and reasonable, instead of what I'd expect him to think as town. This is what I find scummy.

[The Mini-Librarian]

@AH: How was Jun's interaction with me "icky"? I don't have a read on him so this might help me out a bit.

--

My question earlier to Tammy is so that I can understand and talk to her better, because she posts long walls, I needed to know what would be the best way to synthesize responses to them if need be.

I'm assuming you got your games mixed up here right?

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(what comments?)btw lurking and not contributing when given a chance are scum traits

1. Hmmmmm... Must have looked at something wrong. Sorry about that. Ignore that point about you.
2. Those aren't scumtraits. They are bad player traits. People will do both of those regardless of alignment.

[Antihero]

@AH: How was Jun's interaction with me "icky"? I don't have a read on him so this might help me out a bit.

He cherry picked his way through your ISO to apparently prove how your read on Psyche was hypocritical, and all of it seems to go end up going nowhere. It doesn't read like scumhunting, it reads like scummy nitpicking.



I love how my scumreads are getting called town for no good reason. It's pretty awesome.

[Junpei]

I read his ISO but scanned over some stuff on accident; it happens. And it did not go no where (it being that particular line of questioning), I have collected a couple of tells, which I noted in my post. If I had nitpicked through his ISO, then you'd think that there'd be more scattered nitpicking rather than a focused line of questioning, huh?

[redFF]

I'm town as

fuck

. back off jp.

[Psyche]

A bit more than halfway through, guys.

Also, about recent posts —

Junpei, how do my posts seem contrived? I assure you, if they were contrived, I'd put a little bit more effort into public relations. Assuming that you won't take my word for it, your premise that the presence of scumhunting passion is a good tell is nonetheless warped. There are loads of reasons why I've yet demonstrated my interest in lynching scum — the most obvious of which being the rapidly growing thread and my own time constraints during this week. But you'll get your show soon enough, so that's all I can really say.


Khan, how do you go from this:

1. Psyche
- Felt the need to complain repeatedly.
- Frustrating & confusing writing style
- Not sure why he jumped off the rack wagon

To this?:

- Pretty strongly scum

Your first two points are complaints about my style and the third is more of a question than a reason for finding me scummy. And yet you come to this conclusion. I find the very idea that you actually think this way disingenuous.

By the way, I thought I explained my reason for leaving the rack wagon? I suppose I might be remembering wrong, but I doubt it.


I'm trying to do a thorough read so that my return to the front becomes like an emergence from the spring of rebirth. In other words, I'll be in my groove and more capable of helping you guys, more or less. Hopefully this isn't

I am deeply interested in how merely presenting an unlikeable personality can have such a profound effect on how people read your scumminess! That probably isn't the butt of it all — I haven't performed with intellective grace, either. I'll of course need to monitor that in future play, but, oh, the research opportunities! Anyways...all I have for today.

[Nero Cain]

V2V, it meta-self-meta-defense; there's a difference.

Also I think redFF is scum for more than that; his diction and purpose on that page seems not town motivated.

Yeah not buying it. Although RedFF isn't exactly the easiest target.. hmmm. Prob scum.

you think red is scum but you attack Jun for thinkin' he's scum?

Nero Cain is an idiot. It's not an act.

Your words sting, Kettle.

However he needs a better explanation as to why he's not on the rack-wagon.

oh thats simple. He's not my biggest scum read. The poor guy had 3 votes within one hour of the game starting!!! Benmage doesn't give me the warmest of fuzzies and something is knawing at me about mini but the third vote is from scummy as fuck Psyche. Add in Fire and Gunny and that wagon stinks worse than a slaughterhouse. And scumMax is on it.

Though I don't think I ever said anything like "NOPE!!! No way that Rack flips scum." But the slot is useless and I wouldn't shed tears if they are they day1 lynch. If they flip scum then cool, I'll be wrong. Its not like I'm the first person to be wrong nor will I be the last.

tell me o wise one, why was it important to vote for shotty when there was a healthy bandwagon on Rack?

You called FS scum for doing the exact opposite.
Why are you even asking this question?

Why do you care if I ask this question?

Its not like scum bunch up and do A but not B or B but not A. No scumtell is 100%.

[Macros]

I'm keeping up reading here, I know not posting. I'll put something more substantial down his evening. But apart from replacements catching up there's not much happening, especially still nothing from rack.

[vijay2vasandani]

@ Nero: I don't recall saying that I think RedFF is scum.

@ LLD: so you've come to the conclusion Rack is scum right? So are we going to lynch him? If you say yes, then I'll get on the wagon, but honestly I think it's rather early. If you're so sure then why not just leave it for now and focus on other targets? It seems like you just say the same things. What are your thoughts on Pine?

The above applies to everybody pushing Rack-scum. If you guys are sure, why are you wasting time supposedly pressuring him, when he obviously doesn't respond?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My vote is on Rack, we're killing him today BECAUSE he isn't responding.

You don't just remove your vote from someone because they aren't responding to go pressure someone else. No.

We're killing Rack.

[vijay2vasandani]

^ you don't get it. I agree, we are killing him, but RIGHT NOW? If yes then I'm voting for the wrong person. If no, why dont you investigate other people? It almost let's you coast by, saying "oh my God Rack is so scummy let's kill him" over and over again.

Also, my point is directed to everybody on the Rack wagon not just LLD.

[Nero Cain]

in 734 when you said "prob scum" who did you mean?

[vijay2vasandani]

Junpei. I had him as scum, but because RedFF was a fairly hard target my read improved to probscum.

[rack]

But Rack is still scummier, and has still done NOTHING to make me think he's town.

How cute. You think you can toss off little one-liners like this and the masses will follow you.

You're entirely too delusional.


(Head A, as usual.)

[vijay2vasandani]

^ you're fairly useless too, but you don't see me complaining. Who is scum and why?

[drmyshotgun]

Does Head B even exist?
I bet later when Head B comes in, it will complain what Head A has done until now has nothing to do with him.
But Head B is not likely to come.

[DeasVail]

Tempted to vote rack.

[drmyshotgun]

I dare you.

[DeasVail]

But I'm curious to see what Head B will be like (if he turns up)

[drmyshotgun]

He'll be just as monstrous I bet you a shiny new dime on that one.

[Benmage]

Nero, you really think there's 5 scum on the rack wagon?

And he game opened voting him because we had a couple pages of content prior to launch and rack was scummy as fuck.

Don't act like it was an rvs wagon that we inexplicably stuck with.