Good vs Evil, Law vs Chaos Reboot - Game Over, Good wins

[Tammy]

Well, now I feel like an even bigger idiot. *I really need some sleep*

[Regfan]

So hungover right now. Shadowehs claims breadcrumb checks out enough that it's worth moving the lynch today. Probably will vote AV but if other people are interested in a Briz speed deadline lynch right now that'd be awesome because I'm pretty convinced he's scum, if not I'll be moving my vote to AV in 10 or so hours. Feeling better about Green (Mediumish town read) and Pere (Weakish town read) right now alonside Shadow1 moving from weak scum to nulltown.

Unvote, Vote: Briz

@ AV -

I don't think the speed in which a player wants to get out of RVS is a strong town-tell ftr, I push for it early as scum. As for why Skenvoy is town just download the cache and read the 5 pages and you'll understand why I lean towards that slot being town.

@ Shadow -

Here, I'll lay it out simple for you and this'll be the last time I do so because this is becoming infuriating. I'm a setup reviewer and have been elsewhere as well for a few years so I tend to try and take a look at mechanics on sites that I'm aware of the meta towards and find flaws ect. Multi-scum is balanced by scum being forced to cross-kill in multiple situations which puts town back in the game. This game doesn't have that element. Normal games (3 scum 10 town) are balanced by towns ability to lynch every day so it's 1 town directed kill sometimes 2 due to vig for every 1 from mafia. This game doesn't have that. Instead this game has 1 lynch for what effectively is 2 different games a day. So there

has

to be some mechanic in play here, alternating night kills perhaps (Odd/Even), kill limitations revolving around the lynch or something along those lines. Also if you respond to this be forewarned I likely won't respond because this is becoming pointless.

[Tammy]

AV himself called Skenvoy town in that thread.

[Junpei]

Regfan immediately investigating the workings of the setup is not suspicious.

Regfan: I would like to hear a new summarized case on Briz which takes into account his rebuttal please.

[Shadow1psc]

So hungover right now. Shadowehs claims breadcrumb checks out enough that it's worth moving the lynch today. Probably will vote AV but if other people are interested in a Briz speed deadline lynch right now that'd be awesome because I'm pretty convinced he's scum, if not I'll be moving my vote to AV in 10 or so hours. Feeling better about Green (Mediumish town read) and Pere (Weakish town read) right now alonside Shadow1 moving from weak scum to nulltown.

Unvote, Vote: Briz

@ AV -

I don't think the speed in which a player wants to get out of RVS is a strong town-tell ftr, I push for it early as scum. As for why Skenvoy is town just download the cache and read the 5 pages and you'll understand why I lean towards that slot being town.

@ Shadow -

Here, I'll lay it out simple for you and this'll be the last time I do so because this is becoming infuriating. I'm a setup reviewer and have been elsewhere as well for a few years so I tend to try and take a look at mechanics on sites that I'm aware of the meta towards and find flaws ect. Multi-scum is balanced by scum being forced to cross-kill in multiple situations which puts town back in the game. This game doesn't have that element. Normal games (3 scum 10 town) are balanced by towns ability to lynch every day so it's 1 town directed kill sometimes 2 due to vig for every 1 from mafia. This game doesn't have that. Instead this game has 1 lynch for what effectively is 2 different games a day. So there

has

to be some mechanic in play here, alternating night kills perhaps (Odd/Even), kill limitations revolving around the lynch or something along those lines. Also if you respond to this be forewarned I likely won't respond because this is becoming pointless.

IGMEOY

!!

[Junpei]

Not sure why Moneybags doesn't get any pressure; his ISO is just noncommittal vote after noncommittal vote. Regfan you said that the genuineness of his VT claim offset all of Moneybags' scumminess; why did it read so genuine to you?

[TiphaineDeath]

UNVOTE: VOTE: BB

[Junpei]

BBmolla has done nothing but churn out a few terrible reads and filler like "why isn't anyone voting MoS [as I posted one reason and only one to do so]?" He's a fine person to kill.

Regfan: You have BBmolla as town, and I'd like to briefly challenge that. What about his "response" to his wagon is town? I personally found it to be very null.

Also, how can lurking and being a nonfactor be indicative of town meta and slightly, or to some degree less than 1 but greater than 0, indicative of scum meta? I don't understand what you're saying.

[Haze]

UNVOTE:

Now what.

If BB is run up and claims PR, do we no lynch? Shit.

[Seacore]

Vote Count 2.14

CooLDoG (1) -

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (3) -

Feysal, BBmolla, greenknight

Pine (2) -

mastin2, Lord Mhork

BBmolla (10) -

Mastermind of Sin, Empking, AurorusVox, Pine, CooLDoG, Shadoweh, PeregrineV, Moneybags, Nachomamma8, TiphaineDeath

Mastermind of Sin (1) -

Junpei

mastin2 (1) -

chesskid3

Shadoweh (3) -

Zdenek, Lost Butterfly, brizingre1

brizingre1 (1) -

Regfan

Not Voting (2) - Tammy, Haze

(expired on 2012-04-22 00:00:00) before Night 2
With 24 alive, 13 are needed to secure a lynch.

[chesskid3]

no

unvote

vote: Shadoweh

stay the course you fucks

what are the odds our fucking lynches are all prs

ZIPEDEE DO DA

LYNCH SHADOWEH
LYNCH PINE WITH FIRE TOMORROW.

g fucking g

[Shadoweh]

It depends on how idiotic the town is in lynching obvious town. Why me over BBmolla all of a sudden?

[chesskid3]

for me, your claim sealed me voting for you.

[chesskid3]

#lynchallclaimedPRs

[BBmolla]

K can I claim now

[BBmolla]

My claim will probably just make your

penis harder

hammer swifter btw

[BBmolla]

Yeah k, I'm a Lawful Good Wizard, with the ability "Hold Person," which makes a player unsuccessful at any Night action they try. AKA, Roleblocker.

I didn't use it cause I didn't want to mess anything up.

Good luck Lawful folks.

[Haze]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Fuck what did I say.

[AurorusVox]

@ AV -

I don't think the speed in which a player wants to get out of RVS is a strong town-tell ftr, I push for it early as scum. As for why Skenvoy is town just download the cache and read the 5 pages and you'll understand why I lean towards that slot being town.

AV himself called Skenvoy town in that thread.

Precisely. Reg, I'm asking why YOU think he's town. Don't be all cheeky. If you've read it with any real focus, you'll have known I called him town. So don't try and fob me off. GIVE ME REASONS.

Claims, claims everywhere.

[Lost Butterfly]

Ah. Had this game on the brain.

First thing is first: Eh on Shadoweh's claim. A doctor fits seacore mod meta and some of the things's she has asked fit with a doc too.

I'm more concerned about BB's claim tbh. I still think he's town but:
From a set-up POV if he's town we have 2 apparent roleblockers.
The one who blocked Pine and BB. That's a little inelegant.
There's also him no actioning which i REALLY don't fucking get.
Also both him and Shadoweh are Lawful Good, apparently. That's 2 protective roles on that side of the town, would the other then have another 2. (I'm sort of tempted to massclaim tomorrow...but)

Regfan: thoughts on that? I have at least a plausible set-up reason for the last point but etc

Blah. On the other hand his claim is so fucking bad he's probably telling the truth. Why not invent a roleblock target if he's the blocker who blocked Pine? Strong chance of hitting a VT anyway, if not he outs a PR on the way down.

About the 'Hold Person', thing. Did Pine or Shadoweh mention anything like that? Do you guys HAVE any sort of flavour name like that?

I really hate mastin's play the more I read. He doesn't actually seem to be trying to push his Pine lynch at all. Honestly it looks like kind of shitty distancing except for I think Pine has a decent chance of being town.

[greenknight]

Why is Nacho scum?

I have no idea how many votes I'm at so I'm just going to cut this shit down.
I claim

Lawful Good Cleric.

I have a protect that only works on players that share my alignment. That's why I'm sure Pine is telling the truth about his restriction.

Ooh want to guess who I protected? I claimed it already.

I don't believe this claim at all because the ability makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER in a D&D flavour context. Anyone who has played the game should know that D&D protection spells, such as Protection from Evil, protect based on the ATTACKER'S alignment.

Also, I do not believe that if you're a town doctor you are stupid enough to tell the scum that you protected Tammy when there was a missing nightkill in your response to AV at the start of the day. The only reason you'd do that was if you're a VT trying to draw scum attention to yourself (Which is clearly not the case) or if you're scum setting up a fakeclaim.

You are confirmed scum. Die.

unvote, vote: Shadoweh

[Lost Butterfly]

It depends on how idiotic the town is in lynching obvious town. Why me over BBmolla all of a sudden?

Hi. Anything useful to add other than LOL I'M DOC

[Lost Butterfly]

WAIT.

SHE PROTECTED TAMMY

OVER MAGUA?

[Lost Butterfly]

I mean that's just silly. (Sure it'd have failed but)

[greenknight]

Obviously as the doctor I would not want you to talk about me protecting Tammy last night. <--- This is a blatant lie. Or is it?

A real doctor would not have posted this.

Faraday it's my turn to tell you to get your vote back on Shadoweh.