NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[Kublai Khan]

@Psyche - Pretty sure I answered all your questions and observations in the response from me that you quoted.

Re-read and try again.

@Junpei - He asked for an example, I provided him with one, so now he's saying that my provided example is evidence of me scrambling to provide *NEW INFORMATION*.

[Psyche]

His list of reasons for finding me scummy turns out not to be comprehensive. Major additions to it are about posts he's already demonstrated awareness of. This means he's had to go back to develop a line of reasoning (not yet existent) in support of his (already existent) conclusion.

Implying post hoc justification.

[Psyche]

No. Answers are not in your post. What, are my questions worded in a way that's oh so confusing again? >.>

[Junpei]

Psyche: There's one more thing I don't understand and it's quite complicated.

You say Khan demonstrated awareness of post X at instance Y, and that at Y did not express concern. First, I can't seem to find this.
Khan seems to be following a very simple formula; that is an overview read followed by a bullet point case. The case is supported by observations that Khan makes as he reads and impressions he receives, requiring him to go back and look for posts he didn't initially include.
However, more to your point, Khan was present during the posts he cites as damning. What I ask you is that do you assert that any read based on things found on a reread which were not found and noted at instance Y is invalid? That is, do you assert that scumhunting town should notice all relevant posts and tells the first time through?

[Kublai Khan]

No. Answers are not in your post. What, are my questions worded in a way that's oh so confusing again? >.>

Seriously, Psyche? If you're going to use big words to make yourself sound more authoritative, at least have the readability skills to back it up.

lol where do you get this stuff? a correlation between hypersophistication and scumminess. If that's true, I'd love to understand why.

Generally it shows that they are consciously trying to manipulate.

Why would I want to be misunderstood? In what universe does that make sense?

It looked like a trap designed to get someone to misunderstand you. And sure enough Post 265 is you accusing NihilisticNinja of misrepping you. (Not outright either, but in a bullshit passive way)

Sure, I should've shut up over the shotty question or spoken more decisively, but the diffidence inherent in my consideration of it all shouldn't be mistaken for wishy-washiness. Also, scummy how?

You use flowery language, bad sentence structure, roundabout thinking, and passivity to essentially say: "Hey, since drmyshottyizsik isn't going to be night-killed, he's only going to be a constant counter-wagon for scum to push. So we should lynch him, but I'm not going to take part." (Which is a fucked-up scummy wishy-washy statement to begin with).

[Psyche]

By the way, about this rack wagon. Not done with the thread yet, and sorry if it sounds impolitic, but rack seems a terrible lynch choice. He's more like the guy I would as scum (a recnt scumgame is making me think this way) try to get mislynched D1 than someone who is legitimately scummy. I think poor play is being confused here for scum play.

I can understand the reaction against him, but there's nothing like scum intent in his posts.

/opinion, for what its worth.
Maybe ill soon read a rack attack that changes my mind, but I doubt it.

[Psyche]

Sigh.

What does hypersophitication have to do with manipulation? Can you give me one good example of this tell, or is the gem of your own creation?

Characterizing play as a trap doesn't explain why I would pursue it. WHY would I set a trap to get people to misunderstand me? That's wholly counterintuitive. And who does that? Is it one of your scumplay strategies?

Number three has the same error as two - it simply restates what I have issue with. HOW is flowery language and that other crap scuummy? But you already attempted to deal with this above, so try and focus on 1 and 2.

I'm cheerin for ya; you can do it!
One more try...

[Psyche]

Also, I think you mean reading (not readability) skills, or so I am assuming from context clues. If I'm right about that, then wow, you really burned me there!

But seriously, hostility isn't necessary and I apologize for reacting harshly to your harsh summary of my uptonow posting style. I'm really just trying to comprehend how your list of reasons presented earlier for finding my scummy lead in your mind to a strong scum read.

A gap of perspective should be our only problem. Not intellectual egos and pointless points.

[Kublai Khan]

What does hypersophitication have to do with manipulation? Can you give me one good example of this tell, or is the gem of your own creation?

It's an version of the appeal to authority fallacy. You're choosing to say something fancifully instead of plainly in hopes to intimidate those that may not understand the language and/or may unintentionally give it more weigh as it comes from someone appearing to be educated.

Characterizing play as a trap doesn't explain why I would pursue it. WHY would I set a trap to get people to misunderstand me? That's wholly counterintuitive. And who does that? Is it one of your scumplay strategies?

Nice loaded question at the end there but yeah. The snobbish "Nice attempt at misrepping" reply to NihilisticNinja is the pay-off to a confusion trap. You didn't accuse NihilisticNinja outright of being scum, but planted the seed in everyone's mind.

Number three has the same error as two - it simply restates what I have issue with. HOW is flowery language and that other crap scuummy? But you already attempted to deal with this above, so try and focus on 1 and 2.

I'm cheerin for ya; you can do it!
One more try...

What's the point of all this mockery and derision?

P.Edit - The readability skills thing was a joke. (obv). Thanks for the apology, though.

[scooby]

fuck
who is scum
im sorry, i suck at lifeeee
if i dont catch up by tomorrow ill replace

[scooby]

but seriously who is scum

[vijay2vasandani]

@Benmage: I don't mind repeating stuff, but not if I just said it ten or so posts ago. Also, the same thing can be asked of you. What exactly do you think you can achieve by leaving your vote on Rack atm? Transferring it somewhere else may or may not have any effect but at least moving it somewhere else has the possibility of a gain for town. Otherwise we should just chill and not bother posting till deadline then lynch Rack. If you think differently, there's nothing I can really do I guess.

[vijay2vasandani]

Think about it, we've got 2 weeks till deadline and we have 8 people just chilling on Rack. It seems like people can get away with coasting on the Rack wagon because saying "herpderp he not posting, he sucks" is enough scumhunting. I get a gut-scum read on GI for some reason, but that could just be me smarting over losing MST3K really badly. (Yes TML, it was as bad as in Oversoul's game, but I was actually scum then).

[HezLucky]

@Benmage: I don't mind repeating stuff, but not if I just said it ten or so posts ago. Also, the same thing can be asked of you. What exactly do you think you can achieve by leaving your vote on Rack atm? Transferring it somewhere else may or may not have any effect but at least moving it somewhere else has the possibility of a gain for town. Otherwise we should just chill and not bother posting till deadline then lynch Rack. If you think differently, there's nothing I can really do I guess.

Benmage is coasting scum.

I've already said this.

Good players of his level are WAY more proactive than this. He's content to sit back and let town destroy itself, while faking just enough anger to make himself an unappealing lynch target.

[DeasVail]

Hmm Hez. I don't really know if you can use coasting against someone here, as I don't really have that much motivation to post considering I probably will want a rack lynch, and things are quite boring at the moment, so I'm coasting.

(and I'm town)

[Benmage]

@Hezz

are you familiar with any of my games at all? I hit my stride later. D1 there's very little to go off of. In future days you can compare interactions vca etc etc.

But anyways I FEEL this D1 has been long enough (for most) . So I have rugby today and will likely be busy until tomorrow but when I return the content you will see from me will be an attempt to settle the day on a lynch (rack right now.... tho shotty is scum too) . I wont go about random tangents, but rather will put an end to them.

The game needs focus. I don't care if we have 2 months left on the deadline. D1 has been long enough. (And it'll still be 40 pages to get everyone to end their rants and drop final votes. IF WERE LUCKY. I bet D1 goes to 45-50 before were done here. ) that's why the wind down needs to start now and not in another 20 pages.

[Benmage]

Nero, you really think there's 5 scum on the rack wagon?

You think there's not scum on the Rack wagon? Have you ever played Mafia before?

I didn't say that.

Why couldn't you just answer my question correctly. Instead you Dodge the question and give an idiotic snide remark. Pointless.

Now answer my question.

[Nero Cain]

possibly. This is a 24 players game and 8 scum would still be a 16 player town setup and a 16/8 setup seems plausible to me. Current site meta suggests two teams of 4 and you "I doubt we have 8 scum." , "oh but its a possibility.", posts seem sorta like slips to me.

[Nero Cain]

Day needs to ends.

vote:Rack

[Benmage]

No I said there isn't gonna be a single scum team of 8. FIND ME ONE precedent of a 24 game that had a scum team of 8. FIND ME ONE.

[FakeGod]

Fine.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rack

[Nero Cain]

that. was. terrible.

[Kublai Khan]

@rack

- You are at L-2. Are you going to continue to fuck around? Or are you going to realize that Head B isn't coming to save your ass and finally play the game and post some reads?

[DeasVail]

Rack should claim now

[GreyICE]

LLD will be VLA for a few days