Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia (Game Over!)

[Luckyjt]

Well first of all I feel people are abusing the "I have a power role or I am a cop claim" since in day one we came to an agreement that their would probably be a lot of cops. So I think at least one scum is camouflaged in claiming a PR. I just have no idea who. Now about th mass claiming, I wouldnt mind but is there a way of still keeping everything ambiguous. We become open targets if we have a PR.

@Om who did you investigate last night? I dont know if I missed it.

[Luckyjt]

Actually let do a mass claim. I want to see what people claim in order to start figuring out things. I feel this is very risky but it might be helpful.

[Korlash]

See there-in lies one of my problems with this 'plan' of yours. In one post you seem to think we are all ready power heavy, yet in this new post you seem to imply you expect ANOTHER tracker to exist. Case in point:

Using this, a "no result" means in an average game, there is only one pony per night that will return that as scum. If the game is excessively PR heavy there may be two active roles (or one passive) which substantiates this theory since its rarer for a GF to submit a kill over a goon by and large.

Our 'tracker' has all ready claimed, so a mass claim will provide no new results in which to get 'no results' so a mass claim for this intent is pointless.

If we get no more claims, with the addition of my role, all roles are probably true although it may be argueable that Stark is town, tracker is next to confirmed though as far as I am concerned and I side heavily with town even if I wouldnt have tracked OOTN night one.

And my problem with this is that we are all ready treating all of the claims as 'town' for the moment, aren't we? So a massclaim that results in this will not improve the game at all and will only serve to let the scum sleep more soundly tonight and in future nights.

so your calling for a massclaim doesn't seem to actually make a lot of sense. Combine that with your actions regarding iStark earlier, and the growing 'weirdness' of your role and I cannot abide the town actually following a plan you come up with for fear it's scum motivated.

I know you're going to ask so:

-with iStark you were 'so sure' you had something you not only partially revealed yourself, but actually seemed to fear he would be 'quicklynched' yet before he could even respond you abandoned it and called for a mass claim... wtf? How can you go from 'I think I have something' to 'I have nothing, let's massclaim' without even giving your first action time to pan out?

-We have two claims and two flips, none of which seem like 'weird' roles. Yet you claim to be a role, that is also a miller. Why combine the two roles? We could easily have both your role, and a miller, yet for some reason the mod seemed to deem it necessary to combine your role with a second ability.

Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying you should be lynched or even trying to suggest you ARE scum, but you have dropped to the least likely 'town' out of all the claims so far so and are suspicious enough that I can conclude this mass claim idea of yours is a bad idea.

Lets just stick to the assumption that all four of the claims are true for now, and we can overlook me and AD due to investigations. This should leave a scum pool of four people, with a likely TWO scum among them. That's an assumed 50-50 odds right there and I feel that is good enough to explore before diving into massclaim territory.

However, I do suggest we NOT hypocop today just in case reason to massclaim comes in the near future.

[Korlash]

Actually let do a mass claim. I want to see what people claim in order to start figuring out things. I feel this is very risky but it might be helpful.

Yeah, my number 2 scum calling for the massclaim doesn't make me feel any better about it... But, in fairness. massclaim votes stands at 2 for and 1 against.

@MOD: Can we get the playerlist/casualties updated in post 3 please? I personally think this is more important than flavor at the moment. =D You're awesome BTW... Just thought you ought to know.

[Om of the Nom]

@Lucky: I claimed my result and target in my first post this day.

[Korlash]

... Why say that? Why not just resay your result? I mean, you're making a post anyway... Why be intentionally dis-helpful?

I don't know... just seems like bad form...

[Rainbowdash]

Using this, a "no result" means in an average game, there is only one pony per night that will return that as scum. If the game is excessively PR heavy there may be two active roles (or one passive) which substantiates this theory since its rarer for a GF to submit a kill over a goon by and large.

Our 'tracker' has all ready claimed, so a mass claim will provide no new results in which to get 'no results' so a mass claim for this intent is pointless.

Tracker tracks a vanilla claim. Only reason im not 100% convinced stark is town is that he never tracked me.

-with iStark you were 'so sure' you had something you not only partially revealed yourself, but actually seemed to fear he would be 'quicklynched' yet before he could even respond you abandoned it and called for a mass claim... wtf? How can you go from 'I think I have something' to 'I have nothing, let's massclaim' without even giving your first action time to pan out?

There is a sorta chance that I just called out somepony who was in my scum pool (stark/rban/lopsy) about a night action with hope of getting lucky enough to have hit scum who did something and force a scramble.

-We have two claims and two flips, none of which seem like 'weird' roles. Yet you claim to be a role, that is also a miller. Why combine the two roles? We could easily have both your role, and a miller, yet for some reason the mod seemed to deem it necessary to combine your role with a second ability.

First, I actually never have said I have an active ability on top of my miller aspect. I simply have been saying I may have an active ability on top of my miller action. Note this response is why you are obviously town in all of this, but all I am saying that is 100% concrete is that my role name does not have "miller" appear anywhere in it.

I could get behind a lynch of rban at this point though. I just think a massclaim so we can put the right amount of weight behind the current claims is the best thing we can do at this point. Really we have proven scum has no RBer at this point, so we still get at least one track/cop out of all of this.

[Korlash]

Tracker tracks a vanilla claim. Only reason im not 100% convinced stark is town is that he never tracked me.

Exactly, so why massclaim? Why not just have Lopsy claim? Sorry, MOI... And why would he track you? Wait... let him answer me first... I want to know why he tracked the others first... Come back to this later...

There is a sorta chance that I just called out somepony who was in my scum pool (stark/rban/lopsy) about a night action with hope of getting lucky enough to have hit scum who did something and force a scramble.

That would make you no better than Ice and I would be forced to push your lynch on the same grounds... ;_;

First, I actually never have said I have an active ability on top of my miller aspect. I simply have been saying I may have an active ability on top of my miller action. Note this response is why you are obviously town in all of this, but all I am saying that is 100% concrete is that my role name does not have "miller" appear anywhere in it.

Your role name not being 'miller' implies you have Role X, and you have claimed to have the ability 'miller'. I think my phrasing was accurate and I apologize if you took it to mean I was implying something else. I don't understand how it makes me town but sure... Why not. The point is, given what you have claimed your role is 'weird' compared to 'town voyeur' and 'sane cop'.

I could get behind a lynch of rban at this point though. I just think a massclaim so we can put the right amount of weight behind the current claims is the best thing we can do at this point. Really we have proven scum has no RBer at this point, so we still get at least one track/cop out of all of this.

I still disagree. regardless of how the massclaim turns out (little or no new powers vs. lots of new powers) the weight behind the current claims isn't going to change all that much. So we may as well just continue the game as is until otherwise informed. (i.e. a wagon forces a claim, someone else claims an important result, town votes to mass claim, etc...)

[Rainbowdash]

Yeah I think im just going to come out and say it also with the reasoning of why Korlash is town from all of this (and probably Stark as well).

Delta actually fully claimed my role back before the crash. It technically is just a miller, no additional actions, but the role name is "Mistrusted Vanilla Townie". Thats why I got really suspect of the claims that were happening because they didnt seem to match up with my role, and the pregame flavor death.

This also helps suggest both Korlash and Stark town because of their response to me doing what I did. My role had been claimed by Delta in full, and it would be expected that scum actually realized this. I think it would have been mentioned in a scum QT that I am just a miller if any scum saw what happened, so the reactions from these two would have been quite different. Stark is not as strong of a tell as Korlash, because lets face it, Stark is a tracker, but I think it comes out to a town tell regardless.

We have what... nine alive with Korlash-OOTN-Stark all almost for sure town and AD and MoI as likely town? With the ammount of probable clears out there, finishing up extracting as much information as possible is probably the right move here.

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 3.2:

RBAN28 - Korlash, iStark

Not voting- MagnaofIllusion, Om of the Nom, Rainbowdash, RBAN28 , Feirei, ActionDan, luckyjt

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch and to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-05-10 14:54:41), or by 2:00 PM Central on May 10th, 2012

MoI is LA for the weekend, and it seems he will be each weekend for the duration of his time here. (in other words, MoI is LA each weekend)

[RBAN28]

Apologies that I am not very invested in this game. I fully expected to be dead this morning. Since I lived it would appear I was roleblocked. That means that I will need to invest a little more into this game than I thought I needed to, and hopefully find the bastard who roleblocked me.

[iStark]

@Korlash,

Name of Role: Town Tracker.

I can track one person each night and I'll be informed next day as to whether that person visited anyone or not, but I wont know what they did.
If I'm somehow prevented from getting a result, I'll not be informed as to whether or not the ability went through.

All of you town's police corps are gathered at party to celebrate the big occasion, but night is long & there are some misbehaving ones of you're own kind. You're hereby given the job of tracking down those misbehaving ones within your own kind with your powers.

I think this is the best I can do to claim fully without breaking any rules. (If I haven't broke any already -_-')

As far as why I choose Om on N1 is simple.
We both had argument about Om's ( Glass's) player slot on D1 and you both being my town read I thought it's better to track one of you and clear you first to avoid useless cluster of arguments in thread.

As for why I chose Lopsy on N2 is that, As we already know more then half the people here are looking townie one way or another, plus lot of people started to have doubts about her player slot (Including my self as day progressed) and I was sure that Om and Amrum team is likely to investigate two of the AD/LUCKY/Rban, I thought I could get more info by tracking someone who is town in both of their read's & both of them are not likely to investigate them.

Though, I think I kind of derped by not tracking RD. that never crossed my mind as RD was more or less likely town in everyone view by the time we were done with day phases tbh
I apologize for that.

[iStark]

Apologies that I am not very invested in this game. I fully expected to be dead this morning. Since I lived it would appear I was roleblocked. That means that I will need to invest a little more into this game than I thought I needed to, and hopefully find the bastard who roleblocked me.

Wut?

[Rainbowdash]

Apologies that I am not very invested in this game. I fully expected to be dead this morning. Since I lived it would appear I was roleblocked. That means that I will need to invest a little more into this game than I thought I needed to, and hopefully find the bastard who roleblocked me.

heh

Sure.

Full claim time.

[Korlash]

Apologies that I am not very invested in this game. I fully expected to be dead this morning. Since I lived it would appear I was roleblocked. That means that I will need to invest a little more into this game than I thought I needed to, and hopefully find the bastard who roleblocked me.

I read this as "I'm scum in a team of three so figured we would win soon anyway... guess I'll work on a fakeclaim..." Go ahead and make a claim so I can speed up your lynch.

For the record, only way RBAN28 is town is if Rainbows is scum. I prefer the other way around though. WooWoo! One scum caught!

@ Rainbow: I'll admit, part of the reason I was suspicious of you was the fact Delta never talked about another role. So you bringing it up was obviously something to look into. If you've come to the conclusion that me and iStark are 'likely town' due to our responses, who have you seen that would be 'likely scum' due to theirs? And lastly, since iStark has answered, why would he have targeted you last night?

[Luckyjt]

I am a VT, nothing special which was why I was not afraid to be lynched yesterday. If I had a power role I would hope that it would be the doctor, but I am not, so dont kill mafia.

Im okay with a RBAN lynch but if he turns out town I will really begin to doubt those who are confirmed and rainbow who claimed miller.

[ActionDan]

I don't really feel a need to claim at this time. I'd like Rban to claim his target of w/e action he did.

Uh. I don't have much else to say besides ...

PRO-DDDDDDD-ODGE

Also weren't we thinking CSL/feifei/ town (late D1 reactions)? I'd rather Lucky be town too. I'm still speculating scum have framer/GF/goon (maybe maybe the GF is a Rber if we give credence to Rban [I'd rather not])

[RBAN28]

I am a bodyguard. I protected Amrun last night. I should be dead and Amrun alive. Hence roleblocker.

[Om of the Nom]

What was the flavor?

[Korlash]

yeah he needs to die...

Burn him, burn him!

[ActionDan]

N1 target? *neer*

Also death

[Rainbowdash]

Vote rban

Also V/LA through Tuesday

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well having read over the thread via phone over the last 36 hours or so I’m going to address today’s posting as opposed to concentrating on catching up in this post.

Well iStark is scum. I did take an action last Night so his Tracker result on me is bogus.

Claim - Town Follower

I followed Rban yesterday and he took no action. So his "I bodyguarded Amrun' is also a lie. Lopsy didn't take any action Night 1 because he's a flake apparently.

VOTE: Rban

That should be L-1.

iStark can hang tomorrow as there is no way we have both a Follower and Tracker as Town in this set-up.

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Post 825 by Lucky strikes me as coming from frustrated scum. When I get around to re-reading I will be looking at his interactions with iStark and Rban.

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I actually want a massclaim because this is WAY too much power it seems.

Yes, I think a mass-claim at this stage is very Pro-Town.

Korlash is town outside of a tailor as well most likely, and tailor is a super rare role.

Um why isn’t a Godfather something you consider as a possibility for Korlash being scum who turned up Town to a Cop investigation? Am I missing something in my re-read.

I think odds of Korlash being scum are slim but unless we get a Godfather flip from Rban or iStark I’m not ruling it out.

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One thing you need to know now is that I'm basically confirmed town, and so is Korlash and AD (I got Not Guilty on him).

I ISOed the thread to see how you came confirmed Town and want your input on the following –

Your premise is that the Mod confirmed both yourselves and Amrun as Town via posting inappropriately in thread and that confirms at least one more player (Korlash) and the game was not stopped at that point?

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@ Magna: With two claimed and "mod confirmed" cops in the open I find it funny you hid your replacing in... lolololol.... You always make me laugh...

Yeah I asked for anonymity before I read Post 1 in the thread. I’ve seen too many Town slots killed for an active player replacing a slug. In hindsight it is pretty funny.

@ Rainbow: Why is that 'way too much power'? And why did you ignore your own role when 'counting' it out?

My role and the Voyeur role both are Miller neutral. And the ‘too much Power’ thing should be really apparent now.

Our 'tracker' has all ready claimed, so a mass claim will provide no new results in which to get 'no results' so a mass claim for this intent is pointless.

No, as evidenced above.

Exactly, so why massclaim? Why not just have Lopsy claim? Sorry, MOI... And why would he track you? Wait... let him answer me first... I want to know why he tracked the others first... Come back to this later...

1. Why are you apologizing to me? I think pretty much everyone else has claimed at this juncture.
2. Given that Amrun died last night I think the odds are minimal that we have a Town protective role so we aren’t gaining anything IMO from not getting all claims out on the table.

[MagnaofIllusion]

A quick note on set-up speculation -

I myself upon receiving my Role PM expected that scum has to have either a Godfather or Ninja style role (to foil the straight Cop investigations / the Voyeur and Followers respectively)and an information role (to keep a mass-claim of investigative roles from busting the set-up) at the minimum. So I don't expect to see a Tailor in the set-up as that's very weak defense against the Voyeur and Follower.

Keep this in mind towards the end of the game if it comes down to lynching people who are 'clear'.

[Luckyjt]

SO what you are saying is that Rban and Istark are scum because of there lying. I am believing you at this moment but if Rban comes as a pr town you basically put a rope around you neck. I claim hammer if its ok with everyone. If someone else wants to claim it go ahead and claim it. I want to hear what Istark and Rban both have to say.