Open 392 - Friends & Enemies & Enemies -Corporate Espionage

[DeityKabuto]

Lucky your reads make me 'lol'. Mainly because you place me as 'low' scum.

[Dazzy]

Interesting Business Quote: The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with his business before his competitors do. ~Roy L. Smith

Vote count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)

(2) Darkling_Perhaps - havingfitz, raspberrylicious
(2) Raspberrylicious - BBMolla, Trevor
(2) Kcdaspot - Whiskers, Chrimi

(1) BBMolla - Darkling_Perhaps
(1) drmyshotgun - Kassadin
(1) Kassadin – drmyshotgun
(1) Luckyjt - DeityKabuto
(1) DeityKabuto - luckyjt
(1) Chrimi - Kcdaspot

Not voting(0/12)()

Deadline

: May 11, 2012

Other Notes:

• Havingfitz is V/LA until Monday

[Chrimi]

Would anybody care to help add on to the pressure on Kcda?

[raspberrylicious]

Would anybody care to help add on to the pressure on Kcda?

Why should I do that?

[drmyshotgun]

Would anybody care to help add on to the pressure on Kcda?

I would definitely add some pressures, but since Raspberry claimed scum, he needs to get killed.

Cause he's scum and won't put effort into posting unless we run him up.

Whiskers is probably scum too. Maybe. Still deciding, give me a bit.

Don't tell anybody, but Whiskers and I are scum partners.

Nobody must survive after claiming scum. Even as a joke this is a

serious

WIFOM and very anti-town action.
Raspberrylicious posted 5 times and yes they are infinitely better than Kassadin's posts in a sense that he

is

paying attention to the game.
However as BBMolla pointed out, his posts are all intentionally unhelpful and useless. In fact, they all point scum direction.

Unvote:

VOTE: Raspberrylicious

@Luckyjt: You have like 8 people leaning scum out of 12...With someone going to V/La after one RVS as a null read. Its good to have wide range of scumlist, but don't you think its a bit extreme?
It goes without saying that you placed Whiskers as Strong Town read. Sure he posted more useful things than us but it occurs to me that you are cruising along with the flow of power in play.
Also, although you mentioned that "(this part is just for fun)", I am intrigued that you chose 4 people for the two scum parties.
Trevor scored 4th on your Town-to-Mafia(not scum?) list. But is included in Werewolf party. Any particular reasons why you thought he might be Wolf?
Actually, scratch that question. Here's better one: Any specific reasons for ALL of your Mafia/Werewolf reads?
BBMolla you said is "extremely scummy in [your] eyes". Why is he not on the scum-team?

[Whiskers]

The post above this includes scumhunting. Good job, Shot.

Now, Rasp is, in fact, being a bitch, but we are actually ninja serial killers together.

Finally, what about my Kcdaspot case reads bogus?

[BBmolla]

It's based off of Kcda not using shitty logic as town.

[Kassadin]

vote:rasp

[Chrimi]

Only thing they do: Jump on a vote.

*sigh*

[drmyshotgun]

vote:rasp

/facepalm

[Whiskers]

It's based off of Kcda not using shitty logic as town.

so... he

is

using shitty logic, does that mean he is

not

town?

[BBmolla]

It's based off of Kcda not using shitty logic as town.

so... he

is

using shitty logic, does that mean he is

not

town?

I don't think it's alignment relevent, but I haven't seen KCDA as scum.

As town this seems pretty norm.

[Whiskers]

So, shouldn't it be based of off kcda

using

shitty logic as town, if so far, he's used shitty logic, and so far, been town?

[BBmolla]

What

[Whiskers]

Kcda is using shitty logic, and you claim this is par for the course, as town.

As town this seems pretty norm.

But you also say that he does not use shitty logic as town?

It's based off of Kcda not using shitty logic as town.

Or what?

It took me a while, but I think I figured it out: My case against him is bad, because my case is based off of kcda not using shitty logic as town, when he really does use shitty logic as town. Right?

Alright... that's fine. But now that I've pointed out that his logic is "shitty," he'll change his attack, right? If he comes back and tries to make the same points, I'll just attack him for making bad attacks. After he

knows

they're bad attacks.
Hey, BBMolla, if he has shitty logic as town, and you have NO meta on him as scum, how can you tell me I shouldn't attack him for his shitty logic? Who is to say he doesn't have shitty logic as scum, too? With four of like, ten players (being scum), there's a better chance he's drawn scum this game than in, say, a 2of4 (with 2 of seven players being scum)?

Maybe he's scum, and is using shitty logic to try to match his town meta, eh? Also, his "shitty logic" is used in scumhunting-- in a two-scumteam game. If Kcda is scum, he's not looking hard for scum, he's just trying to get a lynch that isn't him, and isn't his partner. He will take shitty logic and make shitty cases until somepony picks them up and carries them to a lynch.

[BBmolla]

It took me a while, but I think I figured it out: My case against him is bad, because my case is based off of kcda not using shitty logic as town, when he really does use shitty logic as town. Right?

Correct. Sorry, wierd wording.

[Whiskers]

And since he's not declared V/LA, it isn't wrong to pressure him, right?

Worst case, he's lying low to get heat off of him (I've done this before), but probably he doesn't have 24/7 free time. Regardless, he'll be back and maybe we can see how he deals with, oh, five votes on him.

[preedit]
okay!

[BBmolla]

Maybe he's scum, and is using shitty logic to try to match his town meta, eh? Also, his "shitty logic" is used in scumhunting-- in a two-scumteam game. If Kcda is scum, he's not looking hard for scum, he's just trying to get a lynch that isn't him, and isn't his partner. He will take shitty logic and make shitty cases until somepony picks them up and carries them to a lynch.

I'm not denying the possibility, just that part of your case is based on the assumption he'd use good logic when I've seen the contrary happen.

I actually don't even know if this is relevent, I'd have to reread your case.

I'll get back to you.

[Whiskers]

I'll put it this way: I'm not going to make cases that assume players will use shitty logic or make the worst possible plays. The other players may or may not be stupid, but I'm not going to build cases that say, "because X is stupid, she should have done this. But she did this smart thing instead! She must be scum!"

Like I said, now that I've pointed out Kcda's errors, he can take them or leave them. But our votes should go to him in the meantime.

[Luckyjt]

Would anybody care to help add on to the pressure on Kcda?

I would definitely add some pressures, but since Raspberry claimed scum, he needs to get killed.

Cause he's scum and won't put effort into posting unless we run him up.

Whiskers is probably scum too. Maybe. Still deciding, give me a bit.

Don't tell anybody, but Whiskers and I are scum partners.

Nobody must survive after claiming scum. Even as a joke this is a

serious

WIFOM and very anti-town action.
Raspberrylicious posted 5 times and yes they are infinitely better than Kassadin's posts in a sense that he

is

paying attention to the game.
However as BBMolla pointed out, his posts are all intentionally unhelpful and useless. In fact, they all point scum direction.

Unvote:

VOTE: Raspberrylicious

@Luckyjt: You have like 8 people leaning scum out of 12...With someone going to V/La after one RVS as a null read. Its good to have wide range of scumlist, but don't you think its a bit extreme?
It goes without saying that you placed Whiskers as Strong Town read. Sure he posted more useful things than us but it occurs to me that you are cruising along with the flow of power in play.
Also, although you mentioned that "(this part is just for fun)", I am intrigued that you chose 4 people for the two scum parties.
Trevor scored 4th on your Town-to-Mafia(not scum?) list. But is included in Werewolf party. Any particular reasons why you thought he might be Wolf?
Actually, scratch that question. Here's better one: Any specific reasons for ALL of your Mafia/Werewolf reads?
BBMolla you said is "extremely scummy in [your] eyes". Why is he not on the scum-team?

I know I have a lot of scum reads, but I start out with everyone is scum in the beginning. Then slowly i began to see who is more townish later on.

My reads are what I see people posting. My "Just for fun part" was on pure gut feeling. It was mostly different than my reads. I cant always trust my reads so i need to throw in my gut feelings somewhere.And hey I might get lucky.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Yay, now it's time for my own reads.

Trevor

: I haven't really heard your personal interpretation of events, but your questions seem to be good. I didn't like back on Page 2 when you questioned HavingFitz before he left but when Shotty asked you for specific questions you gave a non-answer and didn't give your opinion on what you wanted havingfits to comment on. Based on that, I'm getting a town read, but just an ineffective one.

Luckyjt

: You know what reaction hunting is but you couldn't identify RVS or WIFOM? I also think the reaction claim was poorly done but I feel like you were actually hoping for a reaction. I really didn't like you in Post 122, you give almost no explanation for your 'scumreads.' I don't know how I feel about you keeping your RVS vote but I like how crazy it's making DK. I'm on the fence about who you're working for, but I get the feeling it's not the same as a lot of us.

Chrimi

: It's hard to get a read on you. I generally agree with your scum reads but I don't know why you're pushing for Molla for a good part of the game. I'm still trying to figure you out.

havingfitz

: RVS and V/LA. Almost no information on him. He's supposed to be back today but hasn't posted either, but there is a lot to catch up on. Completely Null.

raspberrylicious

: You have done nothing useful for Town the entire game. Your posts are drivel and your fake scumclaim doesn't sound so fake. Scum or troll, neither we want in this game.

Whiskers

: At first glance I didn't like the first half of your big kcda read. I felt like you were pushing points that weren't there but I took another read through it while I was reading kcda's posts and it does sync up nicely. You're probably the best force of good in this game so far and your posts are very straight-forward.

DeityKabuto

: Pretty much your only interaction worth noting in this game has been revolving around lucky. You're kinda acting badly just to an RVS vote and I don't know why. I do like how you reacted to lucky's reaction-hunting, but you still keep focusing on his RVS like it inherently bothers you to have

any

suspicion on you. What's up with that?

BBMolla

: You started off acting weirdly defensively to your votes, and as time went on I thought you were just a troll.With an ISO I'm actually starting to get a town read, though, because when you do ask questions they seem to be actually scum-hunting. I know; I was surprised too. Why so cryptic?

drmyshotgun

: At first I thought your push against Kass was little too head-strong, but your questions have had good meaning behind them and you've done a good job of trying to find scum. I've agreed with you the whole time, pretty much.

Kassadin

: Bad troll is bad. Doesn't seem to be following the thread much, random jump on rasp. No.

Kcdaspot

: I actually didn't mind your RVFoS because it was like 'I wanna lynch the troll next.' You seem like you were a little too interested in RVS in general, and you attacked anyone who didn't play along. And then you did start attacking anyone who sent suspicion your way, even if the suspicion was just 'Why do you think that?' Also you got way too mad about people laughing at you, what's up with that? You do seem to be scumhunting a bit, but your defense is bad so I feel like you're just looking for the other scumteam. We caught you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: kcdaspot
Better lynch scum now than later.

In terms of kcda's logic I'm not understanding what this conversation is meaning. So kcda has been town in the past and still used bad scummy logic? So... one way or another kcda hinders town?

[Whiskers]

Careful there. Somepony is going to lead you into an argument of "So we should lynch bad players, not scum, huh? That's not town play! Lynch him!" and other questions that have no right answer. Those are surprisingly effective for catching town and [almost lynching] or [actually lynching] them.
And I don't want that to happen to you, because you're town, at least by my reckoning.
It's basically what BBMolla is trying to do to me: "Oh, he's scummy and bad when he's town, trust me."
So... a team?

[Whiskers]

raspberrylicious, as long as you've decided to play anti-town, I'd like to ask you a non-relevant question:

At what part of the game do you find yourself most-competent? Or perhaps even, most-potent? At the beginning, in the middle, or at the end?

[Whiskers]

Interesting Pony Quote: Applejack, what are you doing? You can't eat all those fucking apples! ~Twilight Sparkle

Super-Unofficial, Pinkie Pie Style, Vote Count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)

(4) Raspberrylicious - BBMolla, Trevor, drmyshotgun, Kassadin

(3) Kcdaspot - Whiskers, Chrimi, Darkling_Perhaps
(2) Darkling_Perhaps - havingfitz, raspberrylicious
(1) Luckyjt - DeityKabuto
(1) DeityKabuto - luckyjt
(1) Chrimi - Kcdaspot

Nopony's not voting, the deadline is on May 11, and havingfitz is out until, uh, today.

Finally, which of you, (4) Raspberrylicious - BBMolla, Trevor, drmyshotgun, Kassadin, actually thinks raspberrylicious is actually scum?




And why?

[drmyshotgun]

I actually believe Raspberry's scum claim (although if he's actually linked with you, Whiskers, we'll find out sometime later).
You don't just go claim and hope people take it as a joke.