D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[Kdub]

I'm not ready to declare shotgun as guaranteed scum yet, but his play so far is baffling. No player is seriously this dumb. He is either town who is playing bad on purpose for entertainment (in which case he deserves to be punished for not playing to win), or he is scum trying to look like a VI and failing because of how over-the-top he is doing it. I don't think he is legitimately a VI. Either way, he's a major distraction at best and I'd put him on my list of good lynches today.

This seems really town to me.

Now you're just trying anything to get me off you. I thought you wanted me dead just a couple posts ago? Even ignoring the other reasons you are scum, why have you done absolutely no scumhunting today? Who are your main suspects right now and (more importantly) why?

[hasdgfas]

VOTE: hasdgfas
No offence intended. Just a puzzling name thats all.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[drmyshotgun]

^Shouldn't you be saying: MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?????

[Slandaar]

OK

Now we have all seen how slow the game is without my drive, which shows how bad the votes were on me yesterday...

DR HAVE YOU READ THREAD YET?

[Slandaar]

Briz I expect you to post

and I expect content thats useful and not trying to encourage me endorse a cow vote when cow wasnt in your top 4 lynches.

thank you.

[Slandaar]

BB why are you doing... nothing?

[Slandaar]

Nexus is hiding still, gonna pop up at the end of the day again with a magical scum read whos town probably.

[Slandaar]

Need to find one scumbag to tunnel... there are too many I am getting distracted from the goal.

OK

Lets lynch...

VOTE: Nexus

[brizingre1]

Briz I expect you to post

and I expect content thats useful and not trying to encourage me endorse a cow vote when cow wasnt in your top 4 lynches.

thank you.

I'm hardly asking you to 'endorse a cow vote', I'm just wondering if you could explain your read on him.

[Slandaar]

And I am saying you should understand why hes 'so high' if there is at least 4 people you would lynch before him.

Oh but cow was just 'opportunistic' so now maybe slands read changed lets question him on it??!!!!

seems like scum to me.

[Slandaar]

ps your logic re ooba was right, splits case was bad, but you seemed to be very aware of that, too aware.

You don't seem so aware on other terrible cases, I do not understand why...

What is the case on cow?

[brizingre1]

And I am saying you should understand why hes 'so high' if there is at least 4 people you would lynch before him.

Oh but cow was just 'opportunistic' so now maybe slands read changed lets question him on it??!!!!

seems like scum to me.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3970174
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3969746

I can modify the question if you like - why did your read on cow change - What made him suddenly neutral
His vote on dr made me go back and reread him - now think he's fairly scummy, adding to the fact that he's replacing Malee.

[brizingre1]

Sorry for the links fail - substitute this in place of the last one: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3969746

[Slandaar]

Hes not as scummy as other people, I voted him because it was end of day and I thought it was a better wagon than PV and WC. Never felt that slot is town, so it was a fine lynch.

he isnt really neutral more lean scum, but theres so many scummier people a point I highlighted by showing your own reads.

Only Neutral read on my list was you, the person I didnt colour initially.

His vote on dr is fine. Dr is scum there is no problem here.

[WrathChild]

In looking at Slandaar's post - I have to laugh.

I'm specifically claiming a Vig ability - I can direct Blaster shots at night to a limited degree (which I'm not disclosing). You want to make an argument that I'm scum with that ability? Knock yourself out. Otherwise I'll just ignore you like I do other confirmed Town VIs.

Why am I alive then? How is directing blaster shots pro-town? By directing blaster shots, you are robbing all the VTs of their joint vig. Also why would you care so much about silencing blaster strategy when you just hijack it yourself?

It almost sounds like MoI is an SK, which would also explain why he assumed SD was a second scum team and not an SK. I also don't like the idea of the guy who controls the "Joint-Vig" killing people for attacking him and not killing the people he thinks are scum. Can we please lynch him already?

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Slandaar

– Why aren’t you voting me? Aren’t you supposed to be ‘punishing’ me for ignoring your questions as confirmed Town? Aren’t I number 1 on your scum list? If you are going to make threats at least follow through with them …

Anxiety gets some scum points for Post 794 from me. And Post 829 also makes him a good lynch IMO. And his attack on Cow at Post 859 pings me a scum on a gut level.

Shmugen gets some scum-points for the minor fishing in Post 798 and Post 809 is a pretty clear “fake Town concern” post. Post 844 coming on the heels of his own fish at 798 is scummy. And Post 846 screams scum for reasons I will not elaborate on currently.

Iec continues to lightly support the notion I am scum without actually doing anything to commit to that position via vote. He’s likely scum.

Based on my current reads Briz also gets a scum read for Post 838. ShottyJr jump is opportunistic, he shows signs that he knows Wrath will be a bad flip with both his ShottyJr and Split reads (and those are the reasons he thinks they are scum shows foreknowledge of his flip), and his fence-sitting on me waiting for ‘general opinion’ to shift is scummy.

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And now I get to ShottyJr’s claim. The ‘Immune to Force-Powers’ part of the claim is pretty important IMO regardless of his alignment when considered in conjuction with BB’s claim.

If both are Town then odds strongly favor (as does the General Grevious flip) that Jedi comprise a significant portion of the remaining scum. Not all I'm sure (given the Count Dooku flip) but a significant portion.

I very much doubt both ShottyJr and BB are scum together so a scum flip from one more or less confirms the other as Town.

I don’t think I’ll be supporting a ShottyJr lynch at this juncture.

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Wraith should have been the days1 lynch. He's prolly scum.

SD voted me for voting Iece so he might be his buddy.

lets lynch scum Shmugen, Slan.

vote:Shmugen

So let’s see. In this post we get the following from Nero –

1. WrathChild should have been yesterday’s lynch. He’s probably scum.
2. Iecering is probably a Shadow buddy (althought evidence actually says he is a Serial Killer so this is a point in your favor in trying to link Shadow to someone)
3. Vote for Shmugen based solely on sheeping Slandaar.

Any reason you are buddying up to Slandaar so strongly?

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Does anyone think ooba left his vote on WC in an attempt to distance from a buddy?

Doubt it … ooba’s scum meta is to defend buddies not bus. See Back To the Future Mafia as a recent example.

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Explain please. This makes it sound like you killed syndrome specifically because he thought you were scum. Why not WC instead? You were on him far more than you were on syndrome.

You don’t Vig easy lynch candidates. Wrathchild was exactly that – Town Peregrine was a direct counter-wagon to him. You can see from the immediate wagon on him today that he was primed for a follow-up lynch.

Syndrome swooped in and made his ‘case’ on me after Slandaar became Mod confirmed Town. Aside from the dubious merits of his case is smelled to me very much of scum looking to capitalize on Slandaars’ newly anointed status, buddy up to him by going after one of his biggest detractors, and finally pushing a wagon close to deadline that had no chance to actually go anywhere.

For good measure we have other elements I’ll not discuss and the fact that I would pick up a Town read (Anxiety - his “MoI is on to something about Sydrome” post) and further distinguish some very good links (those who said “Hmmm Syndrome’s case has merit” but hung back from acting on it).

I'm not ready to declare shotgun as guaranteed scum yet, but his play so far is baffling. No player is seriously this dumb.

Don’t commit to this as concrete. I’ve seen ShottyJr’s play in other games.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Summary of current scum reads –

Andrius
Anxiety
Shmugen
Iec
Briz

@MOD – Can we get a VoteCount so I can see where my vote would best be served? Thanks!

[MagnaofIllusion]

Lynches I oppose: (Town read - don't see these changing)
18. Iecerint
20. Slandaar

Lynches I won't support today: (Town read but some might change depending on flips)
1. MagnaofIllusion
2. Kdub
17. ShadowDancer

4. SleepyKrew Malee
- Decent town vibes from Malee. SK not providing content is a bit distressing but sticking to original read.
3. PeregrineV
- Same scumlist as mine and voted both of them (WC\Fennin). Didn't look like bussing votes.

Lynches I'd rather not have:
14. Nero Cain
- Despite the misunderstanding about the chainsaw, has been consistent in his views during the game. We dont agree on some scum reads (SK,Slan) but overall posting appears protown.
16. brizingre1idanyboy Kise
- Town vibes from Kise early on. Also like brizingre's scum\town list.
9. Nexus
- Pure gut; reminds me of his play in Test of Faith Mafia. (where he was town)

Here is ooba’s list of reads from Post 323. Odds are overwhelming in favor of him having at least 1 scum-buddy (and likely more) in these categories.

Thus the pool of scum based on ooba are – Iecerint, Kdub, BB, Nero, Briz, Nexus

Keep this in mind Long-term.

[Slandaar]

SD isnt an SK read his bah post

Magna do you want me to vote you?

[MagnaofIllusion]

SD isnt an SK read his bah post

Magna do you want me to vote you?

Yes, dead Serial Killer Shadow would never WIFOM for the fun of fucking over Town

Again - why aren't you voting your top Scum read at this stage?

[Slandaar]

you post nexus doesnt

thats pretty much why

[WrathChild]

SD isnt an SK read his bah post

Magna do you want me to vote you?

Yes, dead Serial Killer Shadow would never WIFOM for the fun of fucking over Town

Again - why aren't you voting your top Scum read at this stage?

So now SD was an SK? I thought he was on a second scum team? Which one is it?

[sword_of_omens]

ok, i'm back from my weekend...
and holy hell....

couple of things to get out of the way, i guess...


Shotgun's play makes zero sense...
he came in, slapped a late "town's consensus" vote on Per after the hammer,
then wakes up on Day 2 with a WC vote and full claim?
and apparently he has not read the thread at all...he didn't even recognize chewy's growl...

@Shotgun, do you plan on catching up and reading the thread at all, or do you plan on shooting fom the hip all game?

@WC , i'm glad to see you back to your ol' spitfire self...i like you much better that way...

i'll emphasize this again, because i think it warrants it:
i really do not like Iece's play at all this game...and i'm not buying his "i don't like my post restriction" excuse (sorry Iece...as i really liked my last game with you). The town Iece i knew actively scumhunted and threw out good ideas...and your play this game is....definitely not that...in fact it's pretty nonexistant...

Vote: Iece

Also, i'm a little torn now on MOI....given with what he said he could do, (it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how it works)
@MOI , do you really still think that there is only 1 scum team? I know why you are pushing that, given it'll make you look better...

ok, anyhoo...
i'm going to see if i can ISO a few more people today (an amazing feat given the crazy amount of replacements) and see if i need to change my vote...

[MagnaofIllusion]

So now SD was an SK? I thought he was on a second scum team? Which one is it?

Probably a Serial Killer. If you were bothering to read and engage your brain you would have noticed that my initial "multi-scum' comment was based on a quick glance at the flips (seeing multiple colors). Upon reading it when I had more time I noticed that Shadow was specifically "He was also a scummy (only one scummy) person." which indicates he was a Serial Killer.

[Shmugen]

Not necessarily, Magna. Take the (only one scummy) comment and compare it to the Ooba flip, which describes him as 'scummy scummy'. What I took away from that is the (only one scummy) comment was to differentiate between the two of them with more than just colors, not that SD was on his own.