Open 382: Friends and Enemies in MSPaint! (Game Over)

[Hoopla]

kondi2424

has been killed Night 4. He was a

Town Mason

.

Day 5 Begins now.

Day 5, Vote Count #1

With five alive, it takes

3

votes to lynch. Deadline is scheduled for 09:00 GMT, May 9th <Countdown>.

Not voting -

5

(Slandaar, Rhinox, Kassadin, Alicewondering, Rainbowdash)

[Rainbowdash]

Vote Kass

The chance of it being rhinox is really low here I think.

This just makes more sense with everything on a whole, especially with Tracy (obvious VT) dying and kondi (obvious mason) making it far.

[Kassadin]

VOTE: BlueBerry

[Rainbowdash]

You missed that bus by a mile.

[Alicewondering]

Hahahahhaa. I love you Rainbow. Here's a direct C/P from my posts in the QT: "Starting to doubt Rhinox scum. Maybe it's Kass. For NK analysis purposes, I think that if I'm kept alive, Rhinox is probably town. Otherwise, there's no guarantee about anything. Hum."

I am liking Kass scum for today
VOTE: Kass

[Kassadin]

Ok fine lynch me.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Kass

[Kassadin]

lol. U just lynched a town side fool GJ

[Slandaar]

ty

[Hoopla]

Day 5, Final Vote Count

With five alive, it takes

3

votes to lynch. Deadline is scheduled for 09:00 GMT, May 9th <Countdown>.

Kassadin -

3

(Rainbowdash, Alicewondering, Slandaar)

Not voting -

2

(Rhinox, Kassadin)

Kassadin

has been lynched Day 5. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Night 5 begins now and will end when the sole mafia and mason members declare it so.

[Hoopla]

Curiously, the night ends without a kill. You all awake safe and unharmed. Day 6 begins now.

Day 6, Vote Count #1

With four alive, it takes

3

votes to lynch and

2

votes to no lynch. Deadline is scheduled for 09:00 GMT, May 11th <Countdown>.

Not voting -

4

(Rhinox, Rainbowdash, Alicewondering, Slandaar)

[Hoopla]

I might as well mention my endgame policy before it comes up:

If mafia and town both elect to stop killing, the game is called a draw, as the town is now safe from harm, despite not eliminating them completely - no wincons are met but no losecons are either. If there is ever a sequence of

Mafia No Kill/Town No Lynch/Mafia No Kill

, the game is called.

[Slandaar]

hrm

[Slandaar]

Interactions, due to not being able to quote as threads locked this formats easiest.

Blue and Rhinox

Post 6(Blue)
Hello again.

VOTE: Rang Tangler for not confirming.

//Blue votes Rhinox slot in RVS.

Post 172(Blue)
Rhinox has made informative text walls; voting Pizza.

//Blues Read on Rhinox - Doesn't actually say anything more a description of what Rhinox has done rather than a read

Post 254(Blue)
The other reactions (kondi/rainbow/blueberry) I feel like there should be something there too but I can't pin it down, so thats why I'm not really addressing them. I think rainbow had a very town response, but I'm not sure of the other 2.

//I think this is a fair assesment of Blues reaction.

And Thats it. The interactions between Rhinox and Blue are very limited. untill the POE stuff which doesnt really count.

Elmo and Rhinox

Rhinox replaces in, makes post 108, then Elmo posts;

Post 109(Elmo)
Hi Rhinox.
What do you think of Alice's post though

//Elmos voting Alice, asking Rhinox about his thoughts on her.

Post 122(Rhinox)
Which one?

Slandaar #104: A little suspicious of slandaar for leaving out the other logical conclusion - alice being a mason with a mason partner who was scum in the previous roll of the game.

//In case its not clear, Rhinox conftowns me here, If I were scum, I would have just nk'ed Alice thinking shes Mason (and been right). The important part about this though is it shows Rhinox-scum should have thought I could be mason who knows shes not mason.

This line of reasoning is completely dropped, but this is more alignment telling of Elmo, not Rhinox.

Post 162 (Rhinox)
For anyone not paying attention, Rainbow became prob-town for pointing out Tracy is almost certainly town in this post - it was a very good catch, could have been very easily missed. I think scum-rainbow doesn't dig that deep to draw attention to that. Sure, there's always the possibility of doing it for town-cred, but up until then Tracy was pretty juicy lynchbait, and taking her lynch off the table like that hurts scum more than getting rainbow town cred helps. Scum only point out things like that that are already obvious for towncred, not things that make winning for them harder.

Post 163 (Elmo)
Rhinox - Thats how I viewed it and why I said the last page was full of derp. And about the post from Tracey you get townish vibes but I would ask you the question whats more dangerous to scum though? Conftown or Active players. And I really didn't see Tracey as juicy lynchbait either. But maybe Im just misreading a lot of things as I have been as of late.

Post 164(Rhinox
I don't thing those are mutually exclusive options in this case. Tracey was scum the first draw, so she must be town now if she does not know the role were re-randomized. I think you're incinuating that rainbow pointing that out doesn't hurt scum because Tracy is less active and useless to town anyways and now a more active town player could maybe get mislynched (from some hyposcum Rainbow POV), but there's no reason scumRainbow couldn't have tried to get moreactivetownie mslynched anyways and left Tracy alone without pointing out her prob-townie-ness.

As for Tracy being lynchbait, meh when I first read the thread I saw she got a lot of suspicion and didn't seem to handle it that well so she kinda came across as an easy lynch regardless of alignment. I could see scum viewing her as a possible mislynch at some point in the game, which is no longer possible due to rainbow.

To directly answer your conftown vs active players question, active players aren't dangerous to scum if they're wrong, and sometimes active town lead the town to their demise. a group of conf-town is dangerous to scum regarless of how active they are. Eventually POE finds the scum.

Post 166(Elmo)
That's what I thought as well and everyone was telling me poe doesn't work. :/
And even then wasn't Tracey part of a hydra before though?

//This is an interesting little interaction; Rhinox and Elmo talking scum strat in thread? This would completely explain why an Elmo/Blue/Rhinox team would nk Tracey and not Rainbow.

I feel this needs highlighting as this interaction tells us why Tracey died n1 assuming Rhinox-scum. Kami died n2 because Rainbow and I were at that point both on the wrong track.

Post 254(Rhinox)
Alice and elmo, well you're both on the wagon, you're both part of the lynch. Elmo you had just put pizza to L-1. If both of you really felt pizza was scum, a claim wouldn't be as important as your reactions incinuate. But at least you both were active and invested during the game. Elmo at least made it clear that his vote was L-1. Of these 4 responses I find these 2 more believable.

also;


@Elmo: Does this mean furcow is your top suspect right now? What are your thoughts on everything else going on?


Post 257(Elmo)
Given the abrupt hammer, yes.
It bothers me that it came as a rash decision and cutting off any other discussion.

//I never really agreed with the analysis on Elmo and Alices Reaction. It kind of contradicts.

Note; Rhinox asks Elmo but NOT blue who does literally the same exact thing a couple of posts later.

Then we get POE stuff.

Whats interesting to note is the stark contrasts between the way Rhinox has interacted between the two known scum. Blue, he basically ignores, Elmo he interacts with a lot and seems suspicious of but never pushes it.

[Slandaar]

I has moar

[Slandaar]

Rainbow and Blue

Post 172(Blue)
Rainbow is the supporter and the starter of the Pizza wagon, while claiming to be „obviously“ town due to posting the rules; protects Alice from Slandaar with good points. Leaning town.

//Read on Rainbow - meh

Post 261(Blue)
Nothing to do here.

//OK, this is quoting Rainbow saying not to post till furc claimed. It shows a willingness to follow Rainbow. Indicative of Blues alignment. However lets think about this more in depth;
Assuming Rhinox is scum and we know why the kills were made, the scums plan is to follow Rainbowtown and this is the kind of post which aligns perfectly with this plan.

Post 346(Blue)
I'm asking you because I can't believe you're calling somebody so town 75% scum.

//Referring to Rainbow, Smells like Buddying.

What needs to be noted here is Rainbow not once mentions Blue. Once POE hits sure, he mentions him, but not before.

Post 28(Elmo)
You can say the same thing though about joining the Rainbow wagon, knowing fully well that Rainbow is V/LA

//Elmo defends Rainbow early on, fair reasoning, but it is a defence.

Post 42 (Elmo)
So Rainbow is town. Nice rules btw. And I've neverplayed with Rainbow before. Almost joined a couple of his games but never did.

//Terrible read, indicative of Elmos alignment though, not Rainbow.

Post 46(Rainbow Response to 42)
Was there ever any doubt? Im almost happy this reset because now I can say all my mason stuff publically since I was nervous saying that last run would make me obviously a mason. Now I can just point to "mason run one" and not worry about what I look like.

Also we can really get a pizza wagon here. He has made all fluff comments but still managed to random vote outside of his first post, and is trying to appeal to Slandaar who apart from me seems to be the only one really pushing the game along at this point.

@Alice - Thats like saying "no claiming scum to reaction test" since I dont think anypony is derpy enough to actually try something like that. Then again we do have kondi self-voting so maybe it needs to be said. That said kondi-scum means elmo-town. Just saying.

//I don't like this post. 'We can really get a pizza wagon here' Seems like scum-scum.

Post 47(Elmo to Rainbow)
No there really wasn't. But I didn't do much to move the game along then I take it

//This is a weird post.

Post 61(Elmo)
Rainbow is pretty conf town to me. Tracey that question looks bad from any pov. It is an attempt at rolefishing though not a good one

//Could be Buddying. Could be defending a buddy...

Post 87(Elmo)
Why would rainbow post the rules as scum? It would do him no good to. He would be ousted by poe.

//This is Elmo... but yeah.

Post 120(Elmo)
It doesn't 2nd it makes the masons conftown. Scum would have to be stupid to claim mason knowning fully well they can be CC'ed and ousted by the other masons though. Personally I don't believe Rainbow is a mason. I don't think he would have gone that far to out himself and put a target on his back if he was.

//Would help Explain why Rainbow was never nked. But if Rainbow was scum, Elmo would also know hes not a mason, meh.

Post 180(Rainbow)
@Elmo - What sets Kass apart from the other non-contributors?

//Note: Elmo never responded to this. Instead he voted Pizza basically to say 'I have no answer' Rainbow never picked up on this... or chose to ignore it

Post 251(Elmo)
Rainbow. No one wants to listen

//Elmo slyly trying to get Rainbow to look at Me/Kondi. Manipulative to the extreme, There is no reason to manipulate a scumbuddy like this. HOWEVER how does Rainbow not pick up on the scummyness from this post? Its really an awkward post.

OK so summary;
Rainbow was either buddied hard by both scum or had two buddies defending him and touting how town he was... to get into a situation like this.
Rainbows scum hunting was nonexistant, there are things that should really ping the buddying/manipulative scumdar if he was town.

[Slandaar]

I think you are scum Slandaar;

lol

Why did I make this post?
I am in LYLO, I need convince the townie here I am town while also figuring out who is scum.

Blue and Slandaar Interactions, Blues constant Sniping and Slandaars suspicion on Blue.

Post 172
Slandaar is mindlessly attacking Alice and Kass and tries to make others vote them too. In #124, he basically says that he will only post to join a wagon (or try to make the wagoners change their vote to Alice or something, not sure what he means) or protect himself from the and argue with the "false" statements of him being scum and not do more scumhunting. It's like his mind is made up to lynch either Alice or Kass. My gut says scum, but I'm not sure.

//Calling me scum. Note hes calling me scum because he knows Alice and Kass are town and is basically buddying them.

Post 199
Slandaar, you haven't answered this.

//Blue pestering me to answer a question he didnt ask, for no real reason other than to look useful.

Post 281
Who is Furcow now then?

also;


Slandaar, answer this.

//View this post, note how he is quoting his buddys question to me, both Elmo and Blue are trying to push me using this.

Its a very snipy comment, and a very pointless question to answer. Noone answers the question yes, so why is he repeating it?

Post 291

Well, I didn't think that it was an "absolutely pointless" question.

--------

I support the Slandaar lynch too. Furcow is the lynch today, though.

// Of course he supports my lynch, for what? not answering a question? aha, a question with an obvious answer.

He basically is asking 'are you town or scum' and when I dont reply is saying 'Sland scum'

Post 321

You did put Furcolow on the scumteam and then replaced him with Kassadin, who you called scum yesterday already.

Completely avoids the point and goes off on some ridiculous spiel that makes no sense in context. Shows there was no point to the question.

Post 344
Where are you even getting this percent from?

//again to me, where did Rainbow get his % from?? he is completely focused on me the bias is ridiculous, he isnt genuinely scumhunting.

Post 346
I'm asking you because I can't believe you're calling somebody so town 75% scum.

//Doesn't make any sense again. He has no problem with me at 60% but he takes issue with my 75%? The Bias is ridiculous.

Note;
Blue posted 13 times, 2 after he was lynched so really only 11.
7 of these posts include pushing of my lynch or sniping at me. We are clearly not buddies. Therefore I am town.


Dont feel like going through my ISO to get my quotes but;
My suspicion on him grew rapidly with his sniping at me, I was going to be voting him day 3 but Rainbow decided the one person in the game not sheeping him is scum which makes no sense considering 2 town lynches so far.
This is why I need to figure out if Rainbow has that blindspot when hes town.

[Slandaar]

Blue - Elmo Interactions

Analysing how the 2 interact with their Buddy

Post 33(Blue)
How can one vote someone twice anyway?

What do you all see as being a good method of scumhunting?
I usually prefer watching people's posts together (through ISOlations) - voting patterns, how one's thoughts and actions change and do they contradict each other. (For example, Elmo voting a person twice)

What do you all imagine will be the methods with which we will use to catch scum this game?
I can imagine people doing that reaction test thing.

VOTE: Kamikrazy for not posting yet despite posting somewhere else after the topic was opened.

//This post; Blue quotes Elmos posts, says one line about it then spiels about unrelated things to the quotes.

Post 34 (Elmo)
This is the 2nd game this week I've done this in.
/facepalm

//Thanks for pointing it out buddy!

And Thats it.
The two didnt really interact except right at the start of the game in RVS.
They did not bus at all, they were not interested in pushing each other. They both sheeped rainbow.

Blue votes Rhinox's slot right at the start, his style seems to be distance a little at the start then job done kind of thing.
Elmo/Rhinox interaction doesn't really fit with how Elmo interacts with his scumbuddies, it wasnt distancing or buddying it was a conversation, but I still think it doesn't fit right.
Rainbow interacted with both of them very very little. This fits perfectly with how the two interacted with each other.

This is how I feel...
The key points to figuring this out are;
Is Rainbowtown Blind to scumsheeping him?
and;
How did Rainbow know Kondi is a mason?

So, I have questions...

@Rainbow
1. How did you know Kondi is mason? I need specifics.
2. Why did you vote me day 3 exactly?

[Slandaar]

(I have stopped checking links)

[Slandaar]

Rainbow scum in a short story;

Post 361 (Rainbow to Haze)
Was hoping it wasnt both you and Alice because you were both obviously town.

Note what Rainbow had been saying previously re the two;

Post 292
Furc-Kass-Haze

Lets do it everypony.

Post 308 (Rainbow to haze re scumread)
You feel a lot less concerned with scumhunting then I am used to you being as town. Its largely gut, but im putting it out there.

Post 352
Even though I still have full athority to stop a lynch in the pool if I feel its needed, todays lynch pool is restricted to [Slandaar/Alice/ETA/Kass]. Nopony else can be lynched.

The idea Alice and Haze are obvtown but hes putting them in the lynchpools is very contradictory.

note; Haze was the first mason to get nked, this could be why, Haze had shown suspicion towards rainbow and would probably pick up on the fact rainbow had just called him obvtown when this was clearly not the case.

[Slandaar]

the fact alice is alive means its unlikely I vote anyone but rainbow

Well

Thats what I was doing last night

[Rainbowdash]

Busy until late tomorrow, and still busy just not as until this time next week.

Vote No lynch

Is the obvious right play though.

[Slandaar]

who is scum rainbow?

rhinox same q

[Rainbowdash]

unvote

Derp move... Alice is obvious NK.

Tomorrow my senior design project is due, given that I am running on about 12 hours of sleep since Thursday, I probably will not give this game the reread it needs until Wednesday.

Can say the following quickly though

Slaandar is missing that I had kondi as the obv-town and not Haze in that quote, which is why I was annoyed both Alice and Kondi were masons. For the "why kondi is mason" all you had to do was mason hunt a bit, which is what I ended up doing to open D3.

My notes then had

Masons - Alice, Kondi, Blueberry
Scum - Slandaar/rhinox/ETA/Haze combo (hence me going hard for ETA)

Exact kondi quote that made it obvious of him being a mason was what came post Pizza flip, where he appeared to completely discount the chance of him being a mason in his quip, which only a mason would know.

Rest were really guesses, figured one of Blueberry/Haze at least had to be mason because they both had basically no interactions with anypony eliminating them from mason chances, Alice I read as heavy town and worked with mason reads so in they went.

Really best I can come up with for a constructive proof of why im town is the NKs. Tracy was VT beyond reason, if she was a mason that question probably would have been answered pregame, or at least implied by one of her partners. Scum need to mason hunt and not obv-town hunt because reads can change, roles cannot. Same for kondi not dying, when you actually look for mason tells, he is obviously one.

@Slandaar - Why did you vote Kass after I got masons to claim? You claim Blue is scum, then vote town.

Gut says im right from earlier and Slandaar is scum, but really want to reread this since after the blueberry vote to open yesterday I was pretty sure it was equine to a scum claim and stopped reading.

Ok that wasnt quickly.

Back to desperately trying to finish this report.

[Slandaar]

Rainbow what benefits are there for me as scum to leave alice alive?

I can tell you the benefits for you leaving her alive;
buying time as you are on some kind of vla; we no lynch; buys more time.
she suspects rhinox and I but not you

How did you know Kondi is a mason? explain it. I do not believe you did.

also your questions pointless but nice attempt to look like you are scumhunting.