Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[Parama]

welll I am sort of waiting around for chiaro or shos to get lynched tbh

[kanyeknowsbest]

hey whys chiaro scum?

[kanyeknowsbest]

id appreash it if some1 gave me a quick rundown on that

[Zar]

Hey you. Quilford wagon.

I'm not in the wagon because I don't really get where the hell all the quilford hate comes from. @Kanye: How exactly do you find that quilford's D1 joke votes are damning evidence?

Being pissed and asking for a replacement doesn't really strike me as a scumtell, it strikes me as a theatrical from somoene who doesn't think he can reason with whomever is pushing for his wagon.

As for the replacement, I don't see Elmo doing anything striking me as odd or weird to make me want to lynch him.

[charter]

hey whys chiaro scum?

Post 271, 298, and others

[kanyeknowsbest]

thanks ill look at those tonight

[charter]

Also, we're 20 pages in. 10 or so is useless spam, let's not make it another 10 pages of uselessness.

[springlullaby]

Day 1 votecount 7

Chiarosicada (4):

Zar, charter, Parama, Vi,

Elmo TeH AzN (4):

Nuwen, kanyeknowsbest, Yosarian2, Furcolow,

Parama (2):

Chiarosicada, shos,

kanyeknowsbest (1)

: Elmo teh AzN,

shos (1):

diddin,

Yosarian2 (1):

UberNinja,

Not voting (0):

<3

With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

[Zar]

Not liking my reread of Furcolow: just noticed all his votes and cases have piled up on running wagons.

#43 fourth vote on the shos wagon
#114 is a parrot of my #80 (and second vote on UN)
#197 is the third vote again on the shos wagon
#312 is the fourth vote on the Quilford/Elmo wagon

Any thoughts on this?

[Yosarian2]

Not liking my reread of Furcolow: just noticed all his votes and cases have piled up on running wagons.

#43 fourth vote on the shos wagon
#114 is a parrot of my #80 (and second vote on UN)
#197 is the third vote again on the shos wagon
#312 is the fourth vote on the Quilford/Elmo wagon

Any thoughts on this?

Eh. That's only really scummy if all three of those guys are town, and that doesn't seem all that likely.

It is worth noting the big bandwagons Furcolow has avoided; he avoided the parama wagon, and he has so far ignored the Chiarosicada wagon. I'm going to have to remember to look at Furcolow's alignment again once I know some of those other alignments.

[UberNinja]

What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?

Is that actually your defense?

Yes, it fucking is.

Why the hell do you keep asking rhetorical questions to try to make me look bad?

"do you really think _________?"
"is that actually your defense?"
"are you actually saying that [insert something I JUST FUCKING SAID]?"

I'm pretty sick and tired of your

[omelette au fromage]

passive aggressive fluff, Yosarian.

|Edited] - spring

[UberNinja]

hey whys chiaro scum?

id appreash it if some1 gave me a quick rundown on that

You're voting Quilford's slot for nonexistent reasons, you might as well make up some shit to vote Chiaro too.

[springlullaby]

New rule added: If you find that is necessary to insult another player, you must do it in French using a food related expression. Swearing is ok, but swearing in french is recommended.

[Furcolow]

well i know a certain faguette i wouldnt mind baking into bread

[Yosarian2]

What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?

Is that actually your defense?

Yes, it fucking is.

Why the hell do you keep asking rhetorical questions to try to make me look bad?

"do you really think _________?"
"is that actually your defense?"
"are you actually saying that [insert something I JUST FUCKING SAID]?"

I'm pretty sick and tired of your

[omelette au fromage]

passive aggressive fluff, Yosarian.

|Edited] - spring

Lol.

If all I have to do is quote part of your post and ask a simple question to "make you look bad", UN, that probably means it's actually your posts that are making you look scummy, and that all I'm doing is pointing it out.

[Vi]

Not liking my reread of Furcolow: just noticed all his votes and cases have piled up on running wagons.

#43 fourth vote on the shos wagon
#114 is a parrot of my #80 (and second vote on UN)
#197 is the third vote again on the shos wagon
#312 is the fourth vote on the Quilford/Elmo wagon

Any thoughts on this?

Eh. That's only really scummy if all three of those guys are town, and that doesn't seem all that likely.

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@mod: Please make me a ten-shot dayvig

New rule added: If you find that is necessary to insult another player, you must do it in French using a food related expression. Swearing is ok, but swearing in french is recommended.

You rat... You cheese-eating rat! If you didn't have sponge cake for brains I wouldn't be able to forgive what a piece of slime you've turned into!

[shos]

page 11. post 252 makes yos look better again. I'll nullify him for that further. chiaro's second paragraph in post 258 makes me like him more.
post 262 is WHAT? I mean really, out of the blue, no reasoning, etc. bad post. by quil, but since it's not a wagon we'll have to read on and see what's up with that.
post 263 has bad responses to the first three quotes. then he votes me with misrepped reasons. bad boy ninja.
Vi's 268 is good catch lol, but I still wonder about that 262, so we'll see.
the line that Zar underlined in post 258 makes me think better of Chiaro; funny that it made Zar vote him. as a newb, I found that in my games as town I tend to fear to vote at times, so chiaro gets some good townie points there. Zar doesn't change.
Furcolow's shoutout at me comes from a townie place, even if they're wrong. townie++;

Page 12. chiaro's first two posts look good, but the next with the vote looks wierd. however, he thought about it earlier, so that can just be a conclusion of a reread, so it doesn't change his status yet. I also have to say that parma's post later just shows that his playstyle really is confusing >< *sigh*
wtf about 282?
diddin is a bad lurker. says nothing about anything except one thing nobody really cares about at the time. no content.
ninja's 287 is really bad. that is so far fetched accusation, and then he says that 'this right here.'. might I conclude that the fact you voted earlier than the reason means you're tunneling/just scum wagoning?
another bad post from ninja - 289, that is not too hard, that is practically too easy, one post followed by the next one contradicting it, and Vi caught it well. I realy am not biased here, ninja is just making many bad posts lol ><
298 by parama looks good. wrong, but good.
299 is again a bad post, as scum sticks to the vote and gives themselves a backup option, like 'if we don't lynch shos than I'll be glad to vote chiaro'. more of a reason to think chiaro is town once ninja flips scum.

end of page, going to lunch(lol, wrote lynch at first..y and u are near each other..).

so far:

likes:

Chiaro+++
Quilford--(for the random bad post now and then; we'll se once I keep counting pages later)
Nuwen+++
Furcolow++

dislikes:

Kanye,
Uberninja--> is very very very scum so far.

[shos]

for the next two days together: note that kanye is selectively giving the condemning meta game of quil, and Vi supplies the correction.
about post 326, Zar, you may never know, chiaro may just be having some hard time in RL and just might start giving the content you want so much in the near future. I say give him a while, if it stays the same, I'll accept your point as an accusation.
bout my +1 in the long post 332, same goes for Diddin. about the last part in that post - Ninja, you still have to answer this.

page 15.
no comment on post 351, but I'll just link for you to see. LINK
about ninja's big post - all the stuff pointed at Zar are really bad in my opinion. the rest of the post doesn't look that bad tho. made me think twice again.
Kanye's posts are bad as well. the response to elmo's post with the unvote - the hell? what are you thinking kanye?
and again, what is amished tell?

page 16.
about post 375: the fact that you actually said that outright looks to me like a post that shows that this is not genuine, and was only done to make us think all those stuff you said there.
till post 395 I get the impression that everyone in that conversation is town except for kanye. Charter has good points especially.
page 17.
I understood yos's points and they make sense a tad. however I don't think it is enough to vote quil, and I especially don't think it's enough to clear kanye.
Vi's 408 comes from a town PoV.
post 412 is once again a bad vote.
418 looks good by nuwen. the thought that one buddy will defend and one will ignore/buss is good scumhunting. 421 too.
424 is another bad post. "What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?" are you seriously trying to defend yourself like this? and that bit with "Alright, I'll bite. If Quilford flips scum, lynch me next." superb AtE.

meanwhile I'm gonna UNVOTE: and VOTE: Uberninja.

likes:
Chiaro+++
Nuwen+++
Furcolow++
charter
Yos

Are simply scum:

Kanye,
Uberninja

pages 18-19 soon

[Nuwen]

Hey you. Quilford wagon.

I'm not in the wagon because I don't really get where the hell all the quilford hate comes from. @Kanye: How exactly do you find that quilford's D1 joke votes are damning evidence?

Being pissed and asking for a replacement doesn't really strike me as a scumtell, it strikes me as a theatrical from somoene who doesn't think he can reason with whomever is pushing for his wagon.

As for the replacement, I don't see Elmo doing anything striking me as odd or weird to make me want to lynch him.

Any words on UN's relationship to the Quilford/Elmo slot?

At this point in the game, scum really have no choice but to attack their attackers.

how is this now the only acceptable strategy for scum, whereas a few pages ago it was

Scum do NOT often take an immediately post-RVS case and run with it for pages. You might see this behavior in less than one of any twenty mafia games with competent, attentive people. Scum have a tendency to chime in on formed wagons riiiiight about NOW in the gamestate, or lurk behind their RVS vote until there's enough content to compile a case.

It looks to me that scum only do whatever is most convenient to give some feeble backing to your "suspicions".
What's your read on Chiaro, Nuwen?

Hey Nuwen, please respond.

Right now, I think we should be lynching Chiaro. Those who have him as number two should switch over to him. In case no one has noticed, he's entered lurkmode. I would also go for a Vi lynch. I'd settle for UN or Nuwen if one of those becomes cool.

I don't understand what you don't understand.

I said scum have a big tendency not to create D1 waves or start fresh wagons if there are already enough active wagons on town. If you play a hundred games of mafia, this is easy to see. Just because it's something that happens a lot and is KNOWN to happen doesn't mean it DOESN'T OCCUR ANYWAY.

I also said that

caught scum

really have no choice but to attack the people pressuring them on day 1, because there's no nightplay to supplement and confirm the alignments of their attackers. Scum ignoring a wagon on himself in order to push a mislynch elsewhere is easy to spot after the mislynch flips. Counter-casing and "OMGUS" are trope pattern because they DO happen very, very often.

[Nuwen]

Are simply scum:[/b]
Kanye,
Uberninja

I'll eat a dozen hats if these players are scum together. Pick

one

.

[shos]

What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?

Is that actually your defense?

lol, just what I said a post ago lol XD

Yos's posts in page 18 are good.

Well, can you explain why you think Kanye is scum, Vi? I really don't see it at all.

The unmitigated opportunism, the utter lack of Towniness, the

being scum

, etc.

Because neither of those posts contain any actual reasons or explanations of any kind. "He's scum because he's scum" is not an answer; and I don't get "opportunism" charge at all considering how early he joined the Quil wagon.

It's weird that I feel like I have to pull teeth to get an answer out of you about this; this is the third time I've had to ask you, and still nothing. Considering how committed you were on lynching Parama earlier in the game, I'd assume you wouldn't leave the Parama wagon unless you had an even stronger suspicion on someone else, but you seem oddly reluctant to even talk about Kanye at all here, even while you're voting him.

Because I'm surprised that there's a giant chain of fools that doesn't get it.

kanye has done nothing except attack Quilford. Okay, whatever. kanye has done nothing except attack Quilford

while the coast was clear

. Nothing else for anyone, and not even posting while other lynchees are being talked about. That is opportunism.

That I don't buy the bulk of his case on Quilford (the strongest point being the Amished tell, which I'm choosing to set aside in this particular instance) is gravy.

and this is a good response.
~~~
@VI: what is the case against chiaro? I just went through thr whole thread and there really is nothing I could mark against him. I remember weakly certain stuff people said but I didn't agree with them. so if anyone can give me a case on him, I'll be glad to respond.

welll I am sort of waiting around for chiaro or shos to get lynched tbh

*facepalm*

id appreash it if some1 gave me a quick rundown on that

yah, with me thinking kanye is a scum member, this pushes me more against the chiaro lynch; because asking stuff like that is definitely distancing from the wagon. yes, I did that too, but I really doubt I will have any part on that wagon. he didn't say anything~

Hey you. Quilford wagon.

I'm not in the wagon because I don't really get where the hell all the quilford hate comes from. @Kanye: How exactly do you find that quilford's D1 joke votes are damning evidence?

Being pissed and asking for a replacement doesn't really strike me as a scumtell, it strikes me as a theatrical from somoene who doesn't think he can reason with whomever is pushing for his wagon.

As for the replacement, I don't see Elmo doing anything striking me as odd or weird to make me want to lynch him.

is a good post.

hey whys chiaro scum?

Post 271, 298, and others

271 is not enough for a lynch; maybe enough for a null leaning scum if he's null on your radar. 298 I've already responded in my summary. others=???

Not liking my reread of Furcolow: just noticed all his votes and cases have piled up on running wagons.

#43 fourth vote on the shos wagon
#114 is a parrot of my #80 (and second vote on UN)
#197 is the third vote again on the shos wagon
#312 is the fourth vote on the Quilford/Elmo wagon

Any thoughts on this?

I will reread that again later, since I remember having a good impression on him.


pedit: ninja'd by 2 post by nuwen

[shos]

Are simply scum:[/b]
Kanye,
Uberninja

I'll eat a dozen hats if these players are scum together. Pick

one

.

my vote states who I think is scummier. why do you think the combo kanye/UN cannot be both scum?

[UberNinja]

What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?

Is that actually your defense?

Yes, it fucking is.

Why the hell do you keep asking rhetorical questions to try to make me look bad?

"do you really think _________?"
"is that actually your defense?"
"are you actually saying that [insert something I JUST FUCKING SAID]?"

I'm pretty sick and tired of your

[omelette au fromage]

passive aggressive fluff, Yosarian.

|Edited] - spring

Lol.

If all I have to do is quote part of your post and ask a simple question to "make you look bad", UN, that probably means it's actually your posts that are making you look scummy, and that all I'm doing is pointing it out.

Yeah, instead of trying to come up with a response that is trying to divine the truth, you're sitting there trying to think of semi-witty stuff to say so people will think "oh yeah, me too!" and you can smugly sit back as you've thrown a gallon of oil on the fire and done literally nothing to help anything.

I'm sick and tired of that [mille-feuille], you [pommes frites hors d'œuvre ratatouille crème brulée pot au feu].

Wow, that was surprisingly therapeutic. I love cursing in french. It's like wiping your ass with silk.

[shos]

Uber, I loved seeing that you think me as town, but you still ignored the fact that I voted you and gave a hellovalot of reasons for that.

[UberNinja]

Well what do you want me to say about that?

If you say I'm scum for (A, B, C) reasons, and then I say you're town because of (X, Y, Z) reasons, and then I get lynched and flip town, people will know that my reasons were legit. That means my reads live on even after I die.

Whereas if I sit here and try to disprove your case on me (which is not gonna happen btw), people lose the "shos is town" among the garbage that would be me attacking your clearly well-thought-out read on me, and you defending it.

So I'm killing two birds with one stone: I'm giving my read on you based on your analysis of me, and I'm saving everyone else a lot of time.